Originally Posted by emamum (Post 743657)

maybe you should swap to breast milk? much better for you :D

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 743656)

I posted this in the 'doorstep deliveries' thread, but then realised that it was in the 'Oswaldtwistle' section, so might not be noticed - so I have made a thread for it here.

I have cancelled milk deliveries.
The delivery service was impeccable, and the whole raw milk was delicious.
The reason? - I found this lecture

http://video.google.com/googleplayer...52245997479572


Since consuming 5 pints of this delicious milk per week, I have had a recurrence of my chronic diarrhoea.

This lecture is rather long - 1hr 20 mins
If you dont have the time to watch all of it, just start to look at 40 mins in where there is a list of all the common medical problems caused or aggravated by consumption of dairy products.
The part of the lecture before 40 mins is very a technical explanation of the digestion of dairy products.

I hope that by eliminating dairy products I will alleviate my
fatigue
diarrhoea
breathing difficulties

Other medical problems mentioned
cataracts
infertility
asthma
diabetes
rheumatoid arthritis
..............to name just a few.

So if you have health problems it might be worth watching all this video lecture, and maybe having a test period of eliminating dairy products might be worthwhile, in order to decide what is best for you.
I will need to eat more green veg, grains, beans and legumes, to get enough calcium. Calcium is the only good thing that milk provides.

There is a section which discusses soy milk, and says that it is better than cows milk.
I disagree- because it disrupts your hormones, so I consider it the lesser of 2 evils.

To make an informed decision you need to be informed.
That is why I have posted this - you need to decide for yourself - take responsibily for your own health.

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 743658)

:D not so - after weaning, adults can't digest any milk efficiently
..and I don't really fancy that even if I could:D

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 743695)

problem is Margaret is that you can equally find 'lectures' that would advocate the opposite, its a bit like statistics, you can make them say what suits you if you try hard enough.

If you considered pesticides, animal supplements, 'purified water' etc to the extent of anything we put in our gobs you would die of stress or hunger.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 743702)

Margaret, I find that milk makes me produce an excess of mucus........and that when I reduce or eliminate it from my diet, my nasal catarrh improves greatly.
I know there is supposed to be no scientific evidence to support the fact that milk increases mucus production, but my body tells me different.

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 743729)

i drink 4 pints of full fat milk a day plus what i have on my cerial and in my coffee and unlesss milk causes obnoxiusness i can quite safely say no side effects here :D

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 743731)

Accyman - you may well have Viking Blood :D

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 743702)

Margaret, I find that milk makes me produce an excess of mucus........and that when I reduce or eliminate it from my diet, my nasal catarrh improves greatly.
I know there is supposed to be no scientific evidence to support the fact that milk increases mucus production, but my body tells me different.

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 743773)

levels of intelligence is one that comes to mind.

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 743786)

so what part of clownsville are you from then :D:D

please note the :D:D's

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 743699)

The chinese people don't take milk in their diet and they reckon they can smell milk on Westerners........

Originally Posted by mattylad (Post 743801)

But something stunts their grown & makes their eyes slant, maybe its lack of milk in the diet?

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 743805)

Chinese are stupidly healthy people, generally have great hair and nails and have high intelligence levels. I've not met any Chinese people at university yet that I consider unhealthy or inferior anyway, usually quite the opposite. And there is a large number of chinese students here at Lancaster University, mostly studying business related subjects.

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 743823)

Obvious you have never had the misfortune to take the '21 Stockton St.' bus that runs thru Chinatown in San Francisco , hoards of them coughing and spitting everywhere ,carrying live chickens and turtles,(not family pets , but tonights dinner) any idea of standing in a line/queue is a totally alien concept .:eek: :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 743830)

Yes, this is absolutely NOTHING to do with milk consumption and everything to do with poverty, the exact same sort of poverty you see within every single race on the planet. Thanks for that insightful observation.

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 743853)

Agree , its got nothing to with milk , was just responding to YOUR thread wander/waffle . just so you know , the cost of a live turtle for a dinner is quite high (higher than a good steak) so its not a question of poverty .

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 743854)

If you had watched the lecture before commenting you would know that babies fed with cows milk end up with lower IQs than breast fed babies

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 743872)

So I guess Margaret Thatcher was right and doing a public service when she stopped school milk , and the resulting rise in the national IQ can be witnessed any Friday/Saturday night in any town center :rofl38: :rofl38:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 743858)

Nothing wrong with dairy milk which is full cream milk, I have been drinking it for years and have not experienced a snotty nose because of it.
My favourite for many years was full cream Jersey milk, sadly you cant get that anymore.
Milk that has been kicked about and boiled is now the order of the day.

Originally Posted by emamum (Post 743873)

that confuses me.... children at school, drinking school milk arent usually at the age you breastfeed :confused: so wouldnt make a difference to them....

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 743854)

If you had watched the lecture before commenting you would know that babies fed with cows milk end up with lower IQs than breast fed babies

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 743877)

Well my two were both fed with cows milk and their IQs are at the top of the scale - Maddie especially. In fact, she's off the reading scale for young people because they stop at age 14, she's 9!!!!

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 743876)

they are still growing and going thru mental development , young children are the "canaries in the coal mine" for exposure to bad substances

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 743874)

You are lucky then in that respect.
I restrict my intake of milk because I know it will give me terrible catarrh, and if I get a bad chest, then I don't have milk at all. It seems that many of us on here have similar symptoms from ingesting milk.

I steer clear of cheese too.......and cream, well I can get away with that sometimes....I suppose it is just as well that I don't really like milk very much.
I would eat mature cheddar cheese every day if I could......I love it, but it doesn't like me.

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 743887)

Best thing to make from milk apart from custard n in a brew is a strawberry milkshake from McDonalds. :D As for health issues around it well sod em its natures natural food. :D

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 743877)

Well my two were both fed with cows milk and their IQs are at the top of the scale - Maddie especially. In fact, she's off the reading scale for young people because they stop at age 14, she's 9!!!!

Originally Posted by emamum (Post 743888)

.....if you are a calf...................

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 743899)

I think you have been misinformed young lady.
Before the advent of pasteurized milk, many women fed their children on cows milk.
I was one of those children and am here to tell the tale.
I have seen calves, lambs, suckling pigs and goats prosper on cows milk.
Don't believe everything you read or uninformed advice that is pointed at you.

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 743902)

Milk is fine ......for babies.
Some adults get health problems from it.
You might be one of them.
The video explains that unlike other allergy tests, the milk allergy test is unreliable, and the only way to find out is......stop using dairy products and note any health difference.

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 743907)

Margaret....who is your response aimed at....A quote would be helpful?

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 743909)

The video is my 'quote'.
The lecturer happens to be a qualified zooologist and nutritionist
... a specialist on health of animals (including us)

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 743916)

What happens though if a mother cannot provide her child with breast milk through no fault of their own .. they have to use formula or dried cows milk wotever ...

Anyway im happy with my full fat cows milk ..

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 743915)

I have not looked at the video, nor do I intend to,
If you base your argument on someone no one has ever heard of then so be it.
If you want facts........consult the NFU.

Originally Posted by emamum (Post 743906)

was that before breast milk was invented as well :rolleyes:

cows milk is meant for calfs, goats milk is meant for goats, human breast milk is mean for babies..... you cant tell me that cows naturally make that milk fo us to drink?

Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 743929)

I will buy the "Don't drink milk, it's meant only for calves" argument if anyone tells me that eating the poor, damned cow that produced the milk is just as bad for you. I bow to any vegans who are members of Accyweb, you do have the right to condemn milk-drinking, but the meat eaters really should think about their position. If milk is bad for you what does rump steak do?

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 743884)

That seems like a personal allergy problem, nothing to do with the product.
:confused:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 743921)

So you haven't seen the detailed description of how the casein protein in milk contributes to arterial heart disease.
It's too late for you to be bothered now - had the surgery haven't you.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by nicola68 (Post 743995)

.. it doesn't sound like an allergy to me. Allergies are life threatening and this isn't. It sounds like an intolerance to lactose to me, this is just one of the irritations of life !!

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 744040)

You took the words right out of my mouth......still, the apple never falls far from the tree does it :D ?

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 744004)

Short answers. No, Yes, No. :cool:

Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 744056)

You should be ok in Spain Roy It's Long Life milk over there mainly.:D:D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 744096)

It is over here in my fridge Beni :D

Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 744120)

You've nicked Roys milk,What is he going to put on his Cherios in the morning??:confused::D:D

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 743921)

So you haven't seen the detailed description of how the casein protein in milk contributes to arterial heart disease.
It's too late for you to be bothered now - had the surgery haven't you.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 744124)

Rum? :D:D:D

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 745895)

Ok, Margaret , decided to follow your advice and try some "non-dairy" milk substitute drink , my local health conscious grocery has a new product on sale "Organic Whole grain drink" , made with organic bown rice, amaranth, millet (budgie food !!!) and quinoa, plus enriched with vitamins A,D,B12 and calcium. stuff tastes ok , but can't figure out how something "organic" can have a expiry date of July 2 2010. :eek: :eek:

Originally Posted by clathraceous (Post 754185)

In my opinion Soy Milk is much better than Cow Milk, but it tastes better Cow milk, also can be mixed