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I have just read in the Mail on Sunday that the Canadians have had enough in Afghanistan and are bringing their boys home. Good on them. If only our government would stop trying to please the Yanks and do the same.
By the way --I thought you would like to knom thet my Grandson Tony has just got back from Afghanistan and has been awarded the Queens Medal for Gallantry and will be going to the Palace to receive it. You can imagine how proud my family are but his Grandad has given him a right bollcking. Keep your head down lad. It is not worth it putting your life on the line for these chancers in our present Government.

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Unfortunately not true ... Canada is commited to a combat role in Afghanistan until the end of 2011. Many Canadians would like to have them home now .... no doubt, many in the UK would like to see their troops home as well .... the last Canadian soldier kia in Afghanistan, Jonathon Couturier, Royal 22e Regiment, decede le 17 septembre a l'age de 23 ans, had expressed doubts to his family about the possibility of military success in Afghanistan. With 131 dead already, out of a force numbering about 2500, many feel that we have done our bit .... unlike the French and the Germans.

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I do't think it is "Unfortunately not true " Eric..it's yet another case of posting lies on this site.. posts that are unfounded are on here on a daily basis and some people believe them at first sight.. another example people that seem to get all their non-facts from the "Mail"... rubbish!

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I don't doubt your grandsons bravery Jim.. but to blame this government looks to me as political messing... if you think the next government will pull out of Afghanistan then you are either a dreamer or a blatant Tory propagandist.

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And by the way, Canadians don't quit .... ask the Dutch about the determination and courage of the Canadian armed forces. Although many here are opposed to the war, I have no doubt that the Canadian Armed Forces will fulfull their commitment to maintain a combat role in Kandahar Province until the end of 2011.

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None facts, drunken ramblings whats the difference:D

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I am sorry if everyone thinks that my repeat of a piece in the Mail on Sunday is somehow treasonous.I only copy what I read.
With regard to my political affiliations I have voted Labour all my life and I have no intention of changing now.I am totally against this war, There is no way that what happens in Afghanistan should affect us in the UK. We are only there to kowtow to the Americans who have their own agenda for this war.
My Grandson and thousands like him are only there satisfy the political ambitions of Gordon Brown and his cronies.They dare not pull our boys out of Afghanistan for fear of upsetting the Americans Did Tony Blair send his sons to fight? Are their any sons or grandsons of the present Cabinet out there fighting for a lost cause.Why are Prince William and Prince Harry not allowed to join if it is such a noble enterprise.If these 2 layabouts are not allowed to die for their country why should my Grandson and his mates have the same treatment.
I am in no way demeaning the Canadians and their fine sons but there must be some grain of truth in the Mail report.As you say Eric if all the Allies put in the same effort as Canada and ourselves this war could possibly be won. But without the political will of every country involved it is a doomed enterprise BRING THEM ALL HOME SAFE AND WELL

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Think this is what Jim saw :

PETER HITCHENS: No country on Earth is more like us. They too are fighting in Afghanistan. But while we stay, Canada will soon leave...Why? | Mail Online

Thank your grandson on our behalf for his gallentry.

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Well done to your grandson for his bravery Jim

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Jim take no notice of Mancie, anybody who reads the Mail is a Tory an should be abused. You have a grandson to be proud of, I hope he keeps safe along with all our lads and lasses out there.

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Not a bad article ... it has the common inaccuracies that we are used to over here ... at least, unlike the Times a couple of years ago, it managed to get our PM's name right. And it is quite complimentary ... that's a good pic of the Highway of Heroes; I was there a couple of times myself ... quite a moving experience. What it doesn't mention is that Afghanistan is the largest recipient of Canadian foreign aid. Or that we have already extended our commitment to 2011; we were supposed to be out of there at the end of last year. We do not have a large military establishment, and we are, in a sense, fighting above our weight. The soldiers we are losing are the backbone of our army: mainly experienced non-commisioned officers and combat engineers.

And it is true, as those of you have been here will realise, that there is no country on Earth that is more like you guys.

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I realise this is a wander, but some of you may find it interesting. It was written by Mary-Lynn Neil, a Grade 7 student at Ecole Catholique Cathedrale in Kingston, for her father Master Corporal Mike Neil while he was serving his third tour in Kandahar:

A Daughter's Prayer:

My last thoughts are of him, as I lay me down to rest.
He's someone to be proud of, and I know he'll do his best.
Please watch his footsteps, as he walks that foreign land.
Help him do what he has to do, and guard him with your hand.

He's not just a soldier, remember, he's my dad.
Other children need him, I'll try not to be so sad.
He's not just a soldier, so keep him in your care.
Bring him home, I'm so alone; that's a daughter's prayer.

I know there are dangers, and his life he may lay down.
Take his beret, exchange it for a crown.
If his gun goes quiet, and he can't come home to me,
Help me to understand, and keep his memory.

He's not just a soldier, remember, he's my dad.
I miss you daddy, and I pray for you each night.
I just want you to hold me and tell me everything's alright.
I know they need you, but, dad, I need you too.
Please come home, I'm so alone,
That's a daughter's prayer.

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lets get things clear ... I have already said Jim has a grandson to be proud of as all the relatives of our lads in the armed forces.. what I contradict is posts that are untrue and usually sourced from the daily mail..pure lies/inacurate articles are posted on here on a daily basis (the daily mail)...most of this stuff is pure propaganda and should be challenged.

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The thing is Mancie people on the left don't like the truth, I have exactly the same contempt for the Guardian and Independent

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It has recently come to my notice that the war in Afghanistan appears to be about the difficulty in laying an OIL pipeline across Helmund province whilst the Taliban are actively sabotaging the efforts
Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
....so anyone under the impression that this war is to promote democracy needs to rethink that.

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Did you actually think that the war in Iraq and now Afghanistan and later maybe Iran is about anything else but oil.

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oh yes... heard this one before along with another theory that's been knocking about which is that "the west" are trying to build supply lines through Aftganhistan ahead of the planned ground attack on Russia,
the conspiranoids are starting to bore me silly.
this war, or if you like invasion by NATO, started because the Taliban Government were training terrorists and Al-Qeada, they openly stated Bin Laden was part of that Government and had organized the 9/11 attack... now if anyone thinks they should have been left to thier own devices they are nut nuts!

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anyone can put any owd crap in Wikipedia or so i'm told.:rolleyes:

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Two Other sources -
The Debate: Did oil influence America's decision to invade Afghanistan? Were the true motives for war declared? Read our detailed report and sign the online petition for a public statement from the American government. TheDebate.org - Debating curren

Is an Oil Pipeline Behind the War in Afghanistan?

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Ya cashy they can, I've even heard on the grape vine than on Wikipedia it says Mancie's a raving right wing capitalist:D

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Aye, Cashy.....anyone can put any 'owd crap on Wikipedia....just as they can put any 'owd on here. See post no's 15 & 19 on here - total loonacy.

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...and I wont be starting a fan club for you either:p

PS 'lunacy' - if you have to be insulting, spell it correctly

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The Daily Mail was once a good, middle of the road newspaper that prided itself on reporting facts, but successive changes of editor have succeeded into turning it into a gossip riddled women's magazine. If people are sad enough to allow newspaper editorials to inluence the way they vote, then they deserve the sort of weak, crass administration that we are currently encumbered with. Scanning the C.V's of the current crop of M.P's in Westminster, theres nothing to suggest that any one of them is capable of leading us out of the mess that we now find ourselves. And meanwhile, the bankers are purported to be lining themselves up for huge bonuses extracted from our back-pockets.

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Hey ... and the great news is, we are out of there in 2011 ... everyone of the Canadian service personel in Afghanistan will be coming home ... no exceptions, everyone ... this according to General Walter Natynczyk, (don't worry about the pronunciation; just one more example of our multi-cultural society;)), Chief of Defense Staff ... we are out of there .... fantastic. For over five years, at the cost of 133 lives, fighting above our weight in Kandahar, one of the most dangerous places in that country, the men and women have done us all proud. No one can say that we have not done our bit ... but, esp. after the recent bullcrap elections, it's time to leave.

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[quote=Stumped;762297]The Daily Mail was once a good, middle of the road newspaper that prided itself on reporting facts, but successive changes of editor have succeeded into turning it into a gossip riddled women's magazine. If people are sad enough to allow newspaper editorials to inluence the way they vote, then they deserve the sort of weak, crass administration that we are currently encumbered with. Scanning the C.V's of the current crop of M.P's in Westminster, theres nothing to suggest that any one of them is capable of leading us out of the mess that we now find ourselves. And meanwhile, the bankers are purported to be lining themselves up for huge bonuses extracted from our back-pockets.[/quote]

Don't forget all the civil servants from the MOD who will be collecting bonuses ..........
Ministry of Defence officials paid £47 million in bonuses - Telegraph

since when is a civil servant entitled to a bonus ? as the saying goes ...show me a productive civil servant and I'll show my ar** in Burtons window ;) ;)

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I don't think that is a fair comment to make

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:rolleyes::rolleyes:Firstly Stumped nobody influences the way I vote, and I can hardly see any of the present government reading the Daily Mail, can you:rolleyes:

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Indeed it is ... if one talks in terms of military capacity we are a small country ... even more than you guys, our mission in Afghanistan put major strains on our armed forces ... the casualties the Canadian Armed Forces have suffered seriously depleted the core of our army, in particular, the highly trained non-coms .... following the Korean conflict, Canadian Armed Forces operated as peace keepers, often wearing the blue berret of the UN ... only since Bosnia and the first Gulf War, have our forces taken on more of a combat role. Canadian troops are as well trained and as brave as any; but there aren't all that many of them. They did what was asked of them, fighting skillfully and courageously along side the US and the UK, while countries such as Germany and France more or less sat on the sidelines. Our government extended our commitment until 2011 .... that's what we promised and thats what we will do. But that's it.

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Now that is something that is true.:mad:

Then again the French would probably only surrender anyway :rolleyes::D

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i cant comment on your army but i often joke with my canadian friends about your navy :D


http://www.kazan-the-man.com/hosted/...ian%20navy.jpg

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Cute .... I like it .... guess what, we now have two of them;):D

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Oh, and current ships in the Canadian Navy:

Halifax Class patrol frigates: HMCS Halifax, Vancouver, Ville de Quebec, Toronto, Regina, Calgary, Montreal, Fredricton, Winnipeg, Charlottetown, St. John's, Ottawa.

Victoria Class submarines: HMCS Victoria, Windsor, Corner Brook, Chicoutimi.

Iroquois Class destroyers: HMCS Irouquois, Athabascan, Algonquin.

Protecteur Class: HMCS Protecteur, Preserver.

Kingston Class coastal defense: HMCS Kingston, Glace Bay, Nanaimo, Edmonton, Shawinigan, Whitehorse, Yellowknife, Goose Bay, Moncton, Saskatoon, Brandon, Summerside.

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And accyman: I think I recognise that vessel in the pic. ... looks a helluva lot like HMCS Dildo ... named after the town of Dildo, Newfoundland.;):D

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please tell me HMS dildo is a submarine lol

what a job been a sea man serving onboard if it is , you wouldnt hear the end of it lol

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I think it's a converted pleasure craft:eek:

And I hate to seem picky, but that would be HMCS Dildo.;)

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If the Prime Minister's handwriting is anything to go by, I doubt that any of the current bunch have graduated to anything more testing than The Dandy and the Beano!

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Dandy and Beano Stumped:eek: even they are far to high-brow for those numpties:rolleyes:

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Yes,but have they all been painted and had their transfer stickers fitted?:hehetable