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latest poll shows Tories only 6% ahead
Mori poll in the Observer has the Tories on 37% only six points ahead of Labour.
http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.a...ntid=151003566 Therefore let us brace ourselves... and let battle commence! :mosher: |
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Yes it's a bit worrying to think that there's a chance that Brown and his shower might get back in !!!!
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i guarentee you not one of their so called tough decisons they claim they will need to make to get britain back on its feet will effect the well off but will soley target the already poorer folk in society, its what they do infact anyone whoi is on any kind of benefit liek working tax credits, incapacity,disablity, income support or relys on medical treatment from teh NHS would be insane to vote tory because it would be teh equivalent of slitting their own throats |
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I'm not sure if you saw any clips of the conference. Cameron talked a lot about helping the poorest in society that Labour had forgot. Reducing tax on the poorest. He explained a situation where a single mother who worked, because of the tax system she was getting just 4pence for every extra pound earned. The passion around the conference hall for helping the poorest in society was something that I found quite remarkable. YouTube - Cameron gets angry in his final conference speech |
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i wouldnt trust one word out of a tory polotitions gob to be honest ,just like that crook tony blair he will say whatever it takes to get the votes but once elected prommises will soon go out the window.
even if by some miracle cameron wanted to keep his prommises i highly doubt he will have teh full support of his fellow mps and unless he does what tony blair did and sacks anyone who dosnt agree with him sticking to what he wants will be very difficult to do. im no fan of labour at the moment either but torys have proven themselves to care about no one except themselves and just like before it will be proven again when they get into power cameron has for teh past few years been pushed forward by the tories as the new young improved super tory with a heart , i just wonder how much control the old school tory thinkers have over their poster boy and how tightly they will reign him in once hes elected guess we will have to wait and see but im keeping my expectations very low so as not to be dissapointed when it turns out to be teh same old crap |
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vote labour = kill brown now if labour use that slogan they may stand a chance:D |
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The best election result would be a Conservative minority government, or a Labour minority. The governing party would be able to put forward its ideas, its vision of what the UK should be in this screwed up world ... but there would be an opposition which could, if need be, bring them down with a vote of "no confidence". I sense that there is a fear of what you call a "hung parliament"; but, Canadians have had one for several years. Most voters seem content with it. I don't see that democracy demands a majority government. I think it works best with a potent opposition, strong enough to insinuate its ideas into government policies. Hey, but that's just my colonial opinion.;):D
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Percentages might have altered since the poll was taken.
Blair 'knew Saddam did not have WMD before war started' - Times Online |
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'Wake up labour, except for the stalwart labour voters, you just ain't working, be you traditional or spinning in your grave New Labour'. O.K. the Tories are just in front in the poll's that shouldn't be cause for celebration, that should hint that you have lost the initiative, please don't put my children through a Tory Britain again, get your act together and actually do something useful. (You've probably guessed, I'm like what cannot be flushed away, I'm a 'floating', voter), so get yourselves together and use this time between now and the next election to show you deserve my, X |
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self self self oh and most people who find themsleves on the dole get their money because they have worked and paid into the system which entitles them to the money/help they get while looking for work and are not scroungers |
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The Tories base thier assumption on the fact that this country has had enough of Labour...and that is all they have to offer..they rely on the electorate being so fed up they will elect a Tory Government, it's the way it has always been and looks like it will be next year. |
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There's no two ways about it .. the less well off will pay the price for any Tory "recovery programme".. the Tories have never had an agenda were the rich pay more than the poor in society..it is simply something they do not believe and never have. |
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well as somone who left school under a tory govenment and was shunted onto the YTS scheme to work a full week for £28 because employers only offered YTS places because it was cheaper and then had to pay extortionate POLL TAX bills despite only been on £28 a week and also because of poor laws protecting employees and no minum wage was forced to work overtime for £1 per hour or loose my job nothing anyone ever says will convince me the torys give a damn about workers or the poor they simply screw every drop they can and throw those in jail that dare to choose buying food over paying their trumpped up taxes such as the poll tax
the last tory govenment we had sent hundreds of elderly folk some as old as their late 80's to prison for not been able to afford their polltax and it wasnt until teh polltax riots that things got changed and even then teh new council tax system was still a hell of a lot more than the rates system. people who fear a tory govenment fear a tory govenment because they have seen what happened the last time they got into power, hospitals shut down or so under funded tehy couldnt operate and had patients lined up on trollys in teh hallways because there was no beds for them, extortionate taxes on the poor, digracefull wages allowed to be paid by empoyers say what you want about labour but under them in my area alone i have seen new improved hospitals been built , medical centers built and most importantly of all the minimum wage was brought in which would never have happened under a tory govenment.I work for minimum wage and it isnt great but its hell of a lot better than what i would be getting paid if the torys had stayed in power thats for sure |
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I am not convinced we have a party in this Country fit to run the place. The current lot appear to want to split Britain back up into 4 separate Countries with different taxation and benefits etc for each Country Show me a Party that will pull us out of the EU, sort out immigration so we have jobs for the unemployed and shut the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly and whatever is going on in Northern Ireland and I might vote for them. On that topic why is there no English Government?? :confused: |
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i agree labour could have altered teh council tax system but lets not forget its not really labour its new labour which was created to entice tory voters away by been somewhere inbetween old labour and the torys.Soon after tony blair got in he soon started getting rid of the traditional labour mps but even so this new labour still has done a lot more for the working class that any tory govenment will ever do.Labuor could have changed a lot of things but like i have said before its not a matter of voting for who you can trust but a matter of voting for who you think will screw you over teh least because they are all crooks no matter what party they are under
until the torys get rid of their bad image which they have tried to do by pushing cameron forward as a new type of tory many people wont trust them and its only this latest cock up with the recession that has even given the torys a chance of getting back in power but sadly its enough so its probably just a matter of lets wait and see what happens under a tory govenment but i dont expect it to be good |
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http://www.tiptopglobe.com/skin/smile/s11127.gif Wake me up when it's time to vote I'll try to take my arse off the settee to get to the polling station. |
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I think the biggest thing at the next election will be getting people actually out to the polling stations. Any party that can actually mobilise their supporters might stand a chance. Lib Dems might pick up a few extra seats because of it and of course, it opens the way for parties like BNP and UKIP to pick up some seats. Fighting apathy will be the hardest battle.
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I profoundly disagree with you, but you're being honest and we can just agree to disagree. |
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has there ever been given a reason why we wernt asked to vote on that matter ?
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...a variety of excuses, we were given a vote in 1975, we don't do things by referendum in this country etc. The real reason is...they know what the answer would be! ;)
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Democracy is an illusion because all political parties work to the same agenda(decided by the Bilderburg Group) aiming at World Government |
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ill just put it down to our country been run by egotisticle pricks high on power
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You could always stand as in independent, Mancie. I'm sure that our host of like minded subscribers will rally to your cause with contributions towards your deposit! |
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tony blair broke every single prommise he made to gain power within a few months of becoming PM, he caused teh mess we are in now with teh economey and the mess in teh middle east and in my eyes gordon brown will always be the guy that got landed with the mes tony blair left behind and even though gordon brown was part of what tony blair did be rest assured if he didnt do things the way tony blair wanted he would have been gone and somone else would have taken his job who would have done as tony blair demanded im not saying gordon brown is a good prime minister but he sure as hell isnt responsible for most of teh mess the country is tony blair is largley resposible but he buggered off before he got any backlash from the public and was seen for what he is which is a blithering idiot and a war criminal |
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I don't for a second believe that the 'wicked tories' want the poorest unemployed, as if it gives them some pleasure, as Mancie would have people believe. It's very easy for Mancie to just come along and write a loud of nonsense. The problem he has is that it is just that - a load of nonsense. Just take for example his view that 'the Conservatives would get rid of the minimum wage', it's rubbish, but it's politically useful for him to get angry about. As the saying goes, why let the truth get in the way of a good story. |
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Crude Britannia (The true face of Blair’s Britain) © Stumped 2001 LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY Where hope has largely been eradicated, And glory is something that once was. MOTHER OF THE FREE . . . and easy. Where the working man exists solely to ensure that the criminal and the work-shy attain a better standard of living than himself. HOW SHALL WE EXTOL THEM Whereas fat-cats, pop icons and footballers are lauded, the real heroes: men and women of the armed forces, the health service, the emergency services and the teaching profession, are vilified and castigated by those that they would deem to serve. WHO WERE BORN OF THEE Where the sanctity and values of marriage and family life seem to have been subjugated by the immoral preachings of the combined media, with little or no interference from the sitting government. The End |
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It was the publicity that the Unions gave to the bill that succeeded in getting it stopped - I don't remember David Cameron speaking against the bill. Andrew, over the last 150 years, it has always been the Conservatives who have opposed legislation to improve the rights of workers. Before the minmum wage there were jobs advertised in Accrington Observer that were paying £1 an hour (for a 40 hour week). There was a public meeting in Accrington Town Hall, attended by all the parliamentary candidates, when asked about whether it was acceptable that some employers were paying £1 an hour - the only candidate who thought it was acceptable, was the Conservative candidate. I do realise that in 1997 you were probably still at primary school and did not understand about the 'slave labour' wages people were expected to work for. However many of us, on this forum do remember the times before the minimum wage and will fight to make sure that it is not destroyed by David Cameron and his public school 'hooray henry' cronies. |
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Your final comment just displays cheap reverse snobbery. |
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I am sure if he had wanted to that David Cameron could have put pressure on the MP's concerned to not table the bill. I have every right to include anything that I feel is pertinent to my posts and quite frankly I do not have to attempt to create a dividing line as one enormous line already exists and will do so until hell freezes over. Also Andrew I will be the judge of what I wish to include in my posts not you. Regarding my final comment I was not displaying (I repeat NOT) reverse snobbery. What right do you have to form an opinion of why I typed that sentence. It is my honestly held opinion that David Cameron and his cronies are a bunch of no hopers born with a silver spoon in their mouth. Maybe when you are less wet behind the ears (with more knowlege of real life - not what you have read in books or been told by your lecturers), you will be more qualified to argue with your elders. Until then it might be wise to keep your mouth shut and not presume you know the motives of others in their posts. |
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I will not 'keep my mouth shut', as much as this may be an inconvenience to you. :) Take a look 1 minute in. YouTube - David Cameron speech: 'Government got too big' |
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Only I can be the judge of whether I was displaying reverse snobbery - I sometimes refer to lots of things in what you might perceive to be a 'derogatory' way but that does not mean I am displaying snobbery in any form. Your problem is that you can not bear anyone to criticise your 'saintly' leader. Quite frankly I am not interested in your opinions and they certainly do not inconvenience me. I just wish you would grow up. |
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Maybe as some of the high earners are in the banking business then they should get hit in the pocket. They are partly responsible for the mess the countries in!!!!
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And lets not forget that Peter Mandleson knows where you all live, so no knocking Gordon or he will come and visit you in the night.......
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I am fine with anybody criticising David Cameron if it's based on factual policy. I've done so myself in the past. Quote:
It's not all about tax rises though, they can't entirely solve the huge budget deficit. We have to remember the scale of the crisis we're now in. In the 70's the budget deficit was 7% and had to be bailed out by an IMF loan, now the deficit is a staggering 14%. Whichever party comes into power spending will be cut in many areas. I'm sure personally you disagree with it, but we simply can't keep this budget deficit up or we will lose the confidence of investors preventing us from borrowing and things could get a lot worse. Not to mention the interest we're paying on our current borrowings. The interest is far greater than some of our current spending budgets - what a waste. The Conservative Party are thus far the only party to ring fence the NHS from spending cuts. There's lots of in depth policies to help a recovery, I just thought I'd post a flavour of the tax and spending policy. |
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Cameron's team not up to the job, says his aide in astonishing attack | Mail Online |
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Surprise, surprise...so, we're going to have one lot who're not up to running the country, replaced by another lot who're not up to running the country. :rolleyes:
One thing that did genuinely surprise me, though, was that the Mail of all papers should choose to run with this story. I thought they were a Tory-supporting rag? What are they up to? :confused: |
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It is about time that you folks started reading uncensored news "like what I do"
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Her News always starts, "We are doomed", in the middle we get, "We are well and truly doomed", and end with, "if any of you haven't slit your wrists yet, now would be a good time to do it because we are all without exception doomed". (I would hate her to miss this so if someone could be kind enough to P.M. it to her then maybe she won't regret having me on her ignore list). Mind you, she is a woman I bet she peeks now and then, (don't you maggie)? http://www.tiptopglobe.com/skin/smile/s7733.gif |
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I mentioned underlying philosophies .... what I meant by this is that there are certain common tendencies in tory parties (and any other party). I can use the example of Canada. The Canadian tory party is unwilling to do anything significant to help the environment. They cut back government funding for daycare. They resist increases in the minimum wage. They cut access to unemployment insurance. They resist raising taxes for high income earners. They gutted the gun registry law. They wish to re-open the debate on gay marriage, and free access to abortion. They promise to get tough on crime, at a time when crime is on the decrease. Etc. etc. Oh, and with the tories, Medicare is always threatened ... thank god we have a minority govt. |
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sounds to me your tories are the same as ours Eric
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