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Wednesday morning .. i caught the X41 same as usual ... its supposed to be at 9.44 but never is .. its always late due to the amount of people getting on in accrington .. its the first bus to manchester after 9.30am out of accrington, students going in late to uni, people going shopping, going through to the airport, people going to work. Its always busy not many seats by the time it gets to haslingden ... sometimes they've even refused to take anymore passengers on as they cant go down the motorway with passengers standing ..

Anyway yesterday morning ... gets on the bus as normal and when i got on .. there was already 4 people standing then. He picked another passenger up at Acre .. and then into Haslingden. He'd already said that he was going through Bury and rang thro to the office to say that he was going through bury as there were people standing. Haslingden the queue for people to get on the bus was mainly pensioners ... 5 got on ..and one actually got off again .. there was no way she could make it to Manchester standing as she had a walking stick. Thing is no one offered their seat of the younger generation who were sat near the back. Not even people my age or a bit younger did either.

I was always brought up by mum when i was travelling on a bus and i had a seat that if a pensioner or someone older than me or in poor health or a mum with kids ..to always offer my seat and stand myself. I told another person about this and they said we were brought up to respect our elders .. something which kids nowadays arent. Now most of you are all on mums and dads .. so what do you say to that?


By the way i have sent an email to transdev .. lancashire way etc ... to complain and to ask for the double decker's to be put on at that time .. rather than a single deck. whether i get anywhere is a different matter .. :rolleyes::D

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Think the "problem" with a lot of young uns not giving their seats up is the fact that many times they have never traveled on public transport with thier parents , up to their teenage years they have allways gone in the family car , probably kids from poorer families who have allways used public transit know the "rules" better

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well dode Shillelagh, i was brought up the same as you, and my dad allways stands and gives his seat up, he's fit for his age just last year when he was still driving he used to collect a few pensions for neighbours etc, and he's 87!!!

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I know what you're saying, and as a child I was also brought up to offer my seat, if an adult was standing.

Suprisingly in London, one of the most insular places in the world, i.e. keep reading your book whilst someone next to you is being mugged, people do give up their seat on the Tube, if someone is obviously more in need.

The only trouble is a person's ability to stand isn't always that obvious.

That frail looking little old pensioner might run three marathons a year, and that surly hoodie might be a double amputee.

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its not a rule though is it steeljack .. its good manners showing respect for your elders or for a young mum with a young child or a disabled person.

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It always made me laugh, the sign on the old Accy double deckers, 'No spitting upstairs'.

I always imagined they mad a concession for those unable to climb the stairs, and they sat downstairs happily gobbing in the aisles.

:D

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As I said earlier though, it's not always obvious who might need a seat more, because of a disability.

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the pensioner who got off the bus ..i recognised her ..she didnt recognise me though seeing as its 31 years since she last saw me .. she was the school secretary in my first year .. shes over 80 .. i know that for a fact .. she was a friend of someone i knew.

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How many times did you change the letter 'p' in the spitting rindy? :D:D:D

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I understand, and agree to a point, but there are eighty year olds as fit as a flea, and there could be a younger, more able 'looking' person, who would have trouble standing.

Age is not necessarily a disability, and like you I was brought up to respect my elders, but at this stage in my life I've come to realise age has nothing to do with it.

Being given/shown respect is a lottery.

It could come from any age group.

There are some very respectful children/young people, and there are some ignorant, selfish oldies.

:D

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no it's not a rule , but think what I was trying to say is that a lot of kids have never been in a position of 'reacting' with other age groups and don't have the social graces/mores .....many are raised in homes where the family car is the only form of transport , then they get to an age where there is a bit of independance (being allowed to travel alone on public transit) . In the owd days a child of 5 would have been taken to town on the bus to do the shopping ,and taught to stand for its elders, now its in the car to ASDA (probably with either Mom or Dad bitching aloud , usually using some profanity that they have to walk 50 yds in the car park ) .

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I remember being taught that if I had a seat on the bus, and that adults ... women and elderly were particularly mentioned by my mom .... were standing, I had to give up my seat. And if I didn't, I would be told by people on the bus to stand ... and often, as I recall, the conducter would tell me. I don't think that there is anything wrong with common courtesy, other than that it doesn't seem to be very common any more. But it has to be taught in the home.

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Many years ago the buses used to have signs on them, that told the youngsters that they had to offer their seat to a 'full' fare paying passenger at busy times when the bus was full.
Please would someone of my generation confirm this.......just so that I know I haven't dreamed this!
PS.....my generation is the 1947 babies :)

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I don't think there is anyone else that old on the site:D:D:hidewall:

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Reece (as cheeky as he is) has always stood for older people, if he's sat at the front of the bus he always lets older people off before him too, which always gets a compliment off the older generation, and always makes me smile, i think thats the one thing i've done right in his life...telling him to respect the elderly (if your under 40 you've no chance with Reece, he'll rip you to shreds)

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Hey, bud. I'm a '45 ... and I'm still kicking .... older than dirt I may be, but I still lead an active life, and still regard viagara as something the other guy needs.;):D:theband:

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I don't think anyone should be able to stand on a bus. All passengers should be seated and there should be seat belts on every seat. Babies are a difficult one as they are very vulnerable if the bus crashes but providing baby seats on buses would be difficult.

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Some of the little red buses the M&M ones do have seat belts and there are notices saying seat belts must be worn but people take no notice i have never seen anyone use them

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You are right Margaret, that notice was displayed well into the seventies.

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as others have said, was brought up, to give up my seat to women/disabled etc, still use the bus occasionally n still do, whilst i see what steeljack says about the family car being only form of transport etc, theres more to it than that i think, Bottom Line= its down to example taught by Mum n Dad, (Good Parenting) and sadly quite a few have missed the bus.:rolleyes:

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I don't know about giving their seats up, they don't even wait in the queue some of the time. Was waiting for the bus with my Mum last year and two women (took them to be a mother and daughter with baby in pram) just calmly walked up just as the bus pulled into the bus station and got on ignoring the rest of us in the queue. They were not the type of people you would pull up about it neither, well not if you valued your safety. Some people just follow the example they are set unfortunately.

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Same thing happened to me in Watford........waiting quite patiently for the bus (which was late) there were a few old ladies, some young lads and girls, just before the bus arrived a woman (slapper, actually and her teenage son) got to the stop and walked straight to the front of the queue and got straight onto the bus as soon as it stopped......nobody said a word to them so think it is a common occurance do there, so I keep quiet as well, not gonna get into a fight the day before I'm coming home :(

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I got on a bus in Aberdeen that displayed a sign proclaiming (DOGS MUST BE CARRIED):confused:

The conductor was not amused when I said,Where am I going to find a dog at this time of night.:D

OK Start the car.

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The engines already running Beni:D

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As the "youngest pensioner" on here, i was, obviously, born in 1949, lived in London, i remember seeing signs on buses for children paying half fare to give their seat up for mums with young children and older people. Have only lived in Spain for two months and have seen respect for the older people from the younger generation, sometimes if they forget their manners, the elders give them a real telling off and the younger stand there and accept the telling off even if the elder is not related and there is no verbal profanity returned. I admire the Spanish youngsters.

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i found just the same when i lived oer yon, they could teach us a thing or two about respect n manners.

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Stop moaning you old git :rolleyes::p:D:D

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Oi, respect for others!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:tongueout

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have things changed becuse iv always thought that half fare paying child passenges were expected to give up their seats for full paying customers.

putting the should someone give up their seat issue asside should a bus driver be allowing people not sturdy on their feet onto a bus knowing that they will be standing up while teh bus is in motion

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absolutely right Margaret,but a lot of water has gone under the bridge since then,,,,and it seems to have washed all respect and manners downstream,,,,,

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Maybe it's just because there are too many of you guys crammed into that tiny little island (sorry about the syntactical redundance); and you are for ever standing on someone else's toes ... or just generally getting on one another's nerves:rolleyes::D It's like that in Toronto and Vancouver; everyone pushing and shoving to get ... well, nowhere fast. But that respect for others still seems to be alive and well in small town and rural Canada, esp. in Newfoundland, Saskatchewan, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia ... oh, and Manisnowba too. But with a population density of only 3.2 per sq. km., we got lots of places where bumping into a fellow human is a pleasure. Bumping into bear, moose, and skunk is a little more challenging:D.

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You sure about that Eric .. you havent seen some of the people hanging around accy lately have you ....:D:D:D

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I think some of them may be skunks :rolleyes::D

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Like I said, no standing room on buses as it is not safe.

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i was brought up to show resprct for my eldrs, it cost nothing.

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Is it the aroma? ... or are they wearing black hoodies with white stripes down the back:confused::D

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funny how you can see that yet the imigration office dont :rolleyes:

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Thats cos Erics only in Canada, the immigration office are on another planet.:rolleyes:

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Last night coming back from accy after meeting up with the researchers -1 and doing my shopping .. got on the bus .. and it there was a big queue .. all the seats were taken again .. and an old lady got on the bus .. and someone sat in front of me got up and gave her seat to the old lady .. there were younger people sat in front of her .. and they totally ignored her. Another lady got on with all her bags of shopping .. and the bus driver shouted round to the young girl who was sat behind him get up and give your seat up ... and the young girl did ...:D

Its not all bad manners ...

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the young girl should NOT have needed telling.:rolleyes:

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You are right Jen.....but....the young girl had to be asked.....and she should have done it without prompting really.

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Great minds Cashy :D:D:D

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Some say Fools seldom differ, but will go along wi yours margaret.:D;)

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Well I think that is good Cashy, because I know my mind is GREAT....so yours must be eh? :D

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I know she should have .. but the bus driver told her .. so it shows some bus drivers have the guts to tell someone to get up to let an older person sit down ...

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I wish someone would teach my daughter not to be so cheeky to her mother, she knows i am about 2000 miles away and can't just drive up the motorway to belt her one. :rolleyes:

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stick £5 into my paypal account along with instructions as to where i can find her and i will give her a wedgy on your behalf :)

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Since i have left England she has moved and will not give me her new address, don't know why :confused:

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to be fair i wouldnt tell my family if i had moved to clayton :)

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Having lived there I know what you mean

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In Glasgow today and was at the outdoor ice rink when a beginner had a stumble and ended up at the fence. He collided with it in front of a women and her daughter (about 6) and apologised but her reaction was that of someone who did not get an apology. It did contain bad language in it and would have been heard by her child and others.

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I will be up that way on Wednesday and Thursday

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Lucky you the German market is there. Stay of the ice rink it was covered in water today. You could get wet n catch a cold.

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I wont be in town, a few miles outside at work then back to the Hotel to eat and drink

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Depends on were though a few miles outside covers a lot little towns.

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Avoid Coatbridge the residents dont know what good manners are. I blame the buckfast. Nice digs though and as they say close to the city (traffic permitting) and relaxing.

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it is only 2 mins from the plant and the food is good. Gets about boring after a few weeks on your own though. A lot of us this time which is ok, except I drink more than when I am on my own :D

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Spent six weeks cooped up in a hotel while away on work business and yes that does happen. Yet at least the hotel employees are polite.

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Saying that though dont think i have ever been in digs or a hotel were manners are bad. Dont know if that is a fluke or the norm as they reckon that there is a lot of stress in the hotel/lodging trade. Has anyone had a place they stayed have bad mannered staff whether local uk wide or abroad?

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That hotel looks very swish - amazing what people get using 'expenses'

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True but it does eventually do your head in. Mine was mince in less than 2 weeks even though it had a 4 star rating. Then there is the paperwork when you get back the arguments over it the what should be on and isnt and vice versa. Unless you have an accountant with you its murder. Took me over a week last time I did it

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When I went on courses in the NEast for DHSS, we were given a bed and breakfast list(private homes) to choose from. If you wanted better you had to pay the extra yourself.

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I was lucky then.

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Surprised you havent asked him to bring a couple of bottles of steri milk up for you ... or is that in a pm to neil ...:D:D:D

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Actually you might be surprised to find that it is (or was) a rule.

It is (or was) in the bus company regulations somewhere.

There always used to be a printed sign at the front of the buses saying something along the lines of "concessionary fares must give up their seat to full fare paying passengers" or words that mean that.

And if you kicked up a fuss the driver was supposed to back you up.

But these days they prefer to lock themselves in their bulletproof cabin away from the world :D

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like i said earlier i remember somthing about half fare paying customers/concessionary fares having to give up seats but if that is still the case i suppose if abiding by the rules if they are still in place OAP's can be told to give up their seats as well lol

i guess these days its all down to how much manners are available on the bus at the time.

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It is ok but I would prefer to not be away from home. The hotel is booked and paid for by the company. Expense claim is for food and drink
I would not go if it was not nice. They put me in a Travelodge next to the Southern plant for 2 1/2 weeks the other year. When they wanted me back down again in the summer I said I did not want to be in it again. You could not eat in and when I was working till as late as 9pm at weekend all I wanted to do was go back to the hotel and eat with any messing about. You were on about Local Councillors expenses a while ago. 2 of us in that place having a meal and a few drinks was costing upto £50 a night each.

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Well its not only transport that has bad manners problems. The one place you would think that under the present economic situation that shops would be begging for your money yet this seems not so. Was in Glasgow again for stuff i wanted and was in River Island :D I could not get any help for boots in my size off the shop assistant as he was gabbing to a pal :mad: So i butted in (bad manners i know) and told him i hoped his mate was buying stuff because i wasnt. I put the stuff i wanted to buy down and left. Went and spent it in Next were they were very willing to help and have my money. :D:D:D:D:D

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I guess it falls back on the parents
My mum would have hit the roof if
I didnt give up my seat.
Granted she worked on the Buses
and took nothing from anyone.