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cashman 04-01-2010 13:42

Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
Have just had the Dubious Pleasure of going down Accy Centre fer some shopping, Whilst i noticed that outside our Town Hall has been Gritted/Cleared, obviously so our mayor will not slip on his ass, Broadway, n Between to Peel street, n around the market etc is a deathtrap, so shoppers etc can go ahead n break whatever limb takes yer fancy, which i have no doubt "WILL" happen to some unfortunate soul.:( WHY as that area NOT been made safe? i am led to think "Pavements" are the responsibility of our "A" listed local council? is this the case? i would urge any poor sod that falls n injures themselves, to take advice about sueing the responsible party. unfortunately i only "Nearly" fell on me ass, or the first law suit would already be in motion.:mad: "A" listed council? ya gotta be joking.:rolleyes:

Stanleymad 04-01-2010 13:57

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Not so long after u left shop cashy some poor lady fell very badly & has just been taken to hospital, ambulance was here about dinner time too, no doubt have been more today. Its an absolute shambles is town centre for pedestrians, its a nitemare.

cashman 04-01-2010 14:10

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Originally Posted by Stanleymad (Post 775238)
Not so long after u left shop cashy some poor lady fell very badly & has just been taken to hospital, ambulance was here about dinner time too, no doubt have been more today. Its an absolute shambles is town centre for pedestrians, its a nitemare.

not at all suprised, seems the "Mayor" is much more important than the shoppers!:( then they wonder why the shopping centres gone down the pan.:rolleyes:

andrewb 04-01-2010 14:28

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Not been to town but if its anything like the rest of the pavements then it's very very dangerous. You make a good point on the town centre shoppers cashy, Asda have gritted to prevent people slipping, the same should be done in our town centre!

accyman 04-01-2010 14:31

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gritt bins are not been refilled either and there has been talk of fitting locks and dedicating a selected person to have a key and be incharge of dispersing gritt from them so you can imagine what sort of jobs worth is going to get the key and be in charge of dishing it out

not once has a gritter been around teh whalley road area despite residents ringing and asking for it to be done especially over teh xmas period when it fell really heavy and i dare say most of accrington hasnt been gritted either ( unless in a higher paying council tax band)

like i have said in another post people are noticing that gritters are been sent out for show to appear to be doing somthing but all they are doing is just flashing the flashy lights but not actually dispersing gritt even though its pretty clear where they are desperatly needs it

it may be a matter of cost but that is no excuse due to how much councils waste each year on pointless endevours they shoudl ensure theres enough in teh kitty to pay for things liek gritt especially after teh fiasco of a nationwaide shortage early 2009.

i hope they get a flood of lawsuits it may teach them its cheaper to pay for teh gritt in future

accy town center is a death trap when it has merely rained and anyone with an ounce of common sense would know that ice ontop of what broadway especially is like shoudl be gritted but not to worry the town hall is accessable they cant have people slipping beofre they pay their council tax bill can they

lancsdave 04-01-2010 15:13

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 775242)
Asda have gritted to prevent people slipping, the same should be done in our town centre!

According to the council road sweeper ( why they sent him out I don't know) there is no grit :rolleyes:

Shame they don't call an election today, lets see how much gets gritted when they need to get out and about canvassing :(

BERNADETTE 04-01-2010 15:17

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Just got back from town and got to agree it is lethal underfoot. Funnily enough there are now about four blokes breaking the ice up on Union Street and clearing a safe path.

katex 04-01-2010 16:49

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 775261)
Just got back from town and got to agree it is lethal underfoot. Funnily enough there are now about four blokes breaking the ice up on Union Street and clearing a safe path.

Just been talking to a neighbour ... they had been into town ... parked up on Union Street. His wife fell down with a thump within 30 yards of the car .. luckily she wasn't hurt. Plenty of help from the PCSO's, etc., but think prevention better than cure now.

Mind you, Pickup Street pavements in Clayton has not been gritted .. and this is our main walkway for shoppers. Would think that, at least, the shopkeepers e.g. the Co-op would make an effort to clear it to their door ... used to do in the past. Think there is some sort of legal implication these days though.

shillelagh 04-01-2010 17:18

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News : Winter maintenance update - 30 December 2009

if you have a read of that .. it will tell you that lancashire county council are not refilling the grit bins ..

As the freezing conditions continue the county council crews are working solely to keep the ‘main’ roads salted and free of ice and snow. This means resources are being targeted towards salting of all A and B roads as well as other main roads that help keep traffic moving around the county and the policy of not filling grit bins or treating secondary roads will continue for the time being. The council has enough salt to continue to respond to the conditions over the New Year period.

now they havent issued another press release since .. that was on 30th december ... i wonder why?

Less 04-01-2010 17:28

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 775284)
now they havent issued another press release since .. that was on 30th december ... i wonder why?

Run out of ink?
The ink has frozen in the printer?
Not enough salt to put in the ink to prevent freezing because it is neither an A or a B road?

To tell the truth I don't know.
:o

lancsdave 04-01-2010 17:29

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 775276)
Would think that, at least, the shopkeepers e.g. the Co-op would make an effort to clear it to their door ... used to do in the past. Think there is some sort of legal implication these days though.


What sort of legal implications ? Is it not enough that most of the staff who work in the shop pay council tax and the Co-op pay business council tax that the council can sit on their hands in the warmth of the town hall. scaitcliffe house/ any other luxury apartment, and wait while everybody does their work for them :(

We even have to pay the Water Board for OUR rainwater to go from the pavements to the drains. Yes according to the Water Board it's OUR rainwater. On that basis presumably the council think it's OUR snow :mad:

Less 04-01-2010 17:39

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 775290)
What sort of legal implications ?

don't be an ice-hole leave it where it is!

Brief encounter: clearing the snow - Times Online

esteemedjuju 04-01-2010 18:00

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get a pair of old socks to put over your shoes an old idea to help stop slipping in icy conditions

Bernard Dawson 04-01-2010 18:05

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 775284)
News : Winter maintenance update - 30 December 2009

if you have a read of that .. it will tell you that lancashire county council are not refilling the grit bins ..

As the freezing conditions continue the county council crews are working solely to keep the ‘main’ roads salted and free of ice and snow. This means resources are being targeted towards salting of all A and B roads as well as other main roads that help keep traffic moving around the county and the policy of not filling grit bins or treating secondary roads will continue for the time being. The council has enough salt to continue to respond to the conditions over the New Year period.

now they havent issued another press release since .. that was on 30th december ... i wonder why?


I don't think the policy has change since that statement.The old policy was to grit the main roads, then the bus routes,and then depending on resources,other areas.

The policy on not refilling the grit bins in my view is a a mistake.And why the town centre hadn't been done at lot earlier is a mystery.Broadway, Peel St etc should have been treated as a priority on the grounds of public safety.

We have had snow in the past, and coped reasonably well. I don't think the County's policy is right, it's just to inflexible.And maybe that's were part of the problem is.

lancsdave 04-01-2010 18:08

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Originally Posted by Bernard Dawson (Post 775298)
then the bus routes,

The Fern Gore bus route hasn't been gritted, the bus is going straight up Willows Lane and turning round, not going round the avenues

buttonsmum 04-01-2010 18:31

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We ventured into town today as i was fed up of being stuck in the house due to the bad weather, but won't be going again until it improves out there.

I'm quietly hoping they close the school tomorrow.

cashman 04-01-2010 18:42

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Originally Posted by buttonsmum (Post 775305)
We ventured into town today as i was fed up of being stuck in the house due to the bad weather, but won't be going again until it improves out there.

don't blame ya, i was making that point, i sure won't n bet theres many others, who suffers? the traders.:( still at least the mayor will be on steady ground.:rolleyes:

lancsdave 04-01-2010 18:49

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 775312)
don't blame ya, i was making that point, i sure won't n bet theres many others, who suffers? the traders.:( still at least the mayor will be on steady ground.:rolleyes:


Don't think the Mayor makes decisions Cashy, the buck stops at the top, or at least it would do if the top man had the decency to take responsibility :mad:

Eric 04-01-2010 19:09

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Just took a walk down to the off-leash park with the critters ... all the sidewalks have been plowed and sanded ... all major roads and streets in the city have been cleared ... the city promises that every street will have had a least one plowing and sanding by this evening ... and, it is still snowing ... all major highways in the area reporting normal winter driving conditions.

cashman 04-01-2010 19:09

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 775317)
Don't think the Mayor makes decisions Cashy, the buck stops at the top, or at least it would do if the top man had the decency to take responsibility :mad:

i know that dave, but as the top man has no decency, i will question his rationale fer clearing the town hall front n sod the shoppers.:rolleyes:

Less 04-01-2010 19:11

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 775326)
i know that dave, but as the top man has no decency, i will question his rationale fer clearing the town hall front n sod the shoppers.:rolleyes:

Tsk, not like you to be slow on the uptake cashy, it's "sod you Jack I'm O.K.".

:D

cashman 04-01-2010 19:12

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 775328)
Tsk, not like you to be slow on the uptake cashy, it's "sod you Jack I'm O.K.".

:D

oh i aint mate, just want others to realise what a clown is at the helm.:D

katex 04-01-2010 19:17

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 775326)
i know that dave, but as the top man has no decency, i will question his rationale fer clearing the town hall front n sod the shoppers.:rolleyes:

It's to clear the way for us council payers that will be making complaints Cashy ... wouldn't do to have an injury complaint on top of that would it ... ;)

Eric 04-01-2010 19:22

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 775326)
i know that dave, but as the top man has no decency, i will question his rationale fer clearing the town hall front n sod the shoppers.:rolleyes:

Maybe he got out there with his own shovel and did it himself:rolleyes::D

Margaret Pilkington 04-01-2010 19:24

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They haven't the money to grit the pavements, but they might have to find the money for compensation claims from folk who fall and hurt themselves on the icy ungritted streets.

Neil 04-01-2010 19:31

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Liverpool have run out of grit as well according to the news and won't be getting supplies for the foreseeable future

Should the Government step in to help public safety? After all I pay road tax to the Government not the local Councils.



Maybe Greg Pope could explain why the roads I pay for are becoming unsafe to drive on?

cashman 04-01-2010 19:35

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 775340)
Liverpool have run out of grit as well according to the news and won't be getting supplies for the foreseeable future

Should the Government step in to help public safety? After all I pay road tax to the Government not the local Councils.

yeh starting wi Iraq.:rolleyes:

Less 04-01-2010 19:44

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 775340)
Maybe Greg Pope could explain why the roads I pay for are becoming unsafe to drive on?

Look at it this way Neil the roads were dangerous before it snowed but at least now the ice has filled in the pot holes and evened out those stupid sleeping Policemen.

Gayle 04-01-2010 20:34

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Do you think it might be possible that the council (or possibly even just the staff who work at the town hall) cleared the area in front of the town hall because a lot of people go in there for the tourist information desk? My guess is that they wouldn't want an accident to happen right outside.

And probably the reason that no one has done the rest is because LCC has run out of grit/salt - not Hyndburn's fault.

lancsdave 04-01-2010 20:39

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 775365)
Do you think it might be possible that the council (or possibly even just the staff who work at the town hall) cleared the area in front of the town hall because a lot of people go in there for the tourist information desk? My guess is that they wouldn't want an accident to happen right outside.

And probably the reason that no one has done the rest is because LCC has run out of grit/salt - not Hyndburn's fault.

The workmen clearing the area outside the town hall didn't look like town hall staff to me, they were the same ones clearing the botton of Union St late this afternoon, and the same ones who started to clear the area near the bus station/market and then abandoned the idea.

Are the pedestrian areas of Hyndburn under the jurisdiction of the county council ? If so why are all the road sweepers/bin emptiers Hyndburn Council employees ?

shakermaker 04-01-2010 20:44

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Perhaps it's the mark of my ungrateful generation; I did not realise that grit salt was such an expensive luxury. If I break a limb on my way to/from work this week, at least I'll be safe in the knowledge that the authorities have saved a bob or two. Cheers, guys.

cashman 04-01-2010 21:02

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 775365)
Do you think it might be possible that the council (or possibly even just the staff who work at the town hall) cleared the area in front of the town hall because a lot of people go in there for the tourist information desk? My guess is that they wouldn't want an accident to happen right outside.

And probably the reason that no one has done the rest is because LCC has run out of grit/salt - not Hyndburn's fault.

don't do guessing fer a career gayle.:rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 04-01-2010 21:06

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 775365)
because a lot of people go in there for the tourist information desk?

Ever the optimist, Gayle! ;)

lancsdave 04-01-2010 21:08

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 775371)
Perhaps it's the mark of my ungrateful generation; I did not realise that grit salt was such an expensive luxury. If I break a limb on my way to/from work this week, at least I'll be safe in the knowledge that the authorities have saved a bob or two. Cheers, guys.


It was even dearer when they mixed the treacle in it :D

Atarah 05-01-2010 03:29

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Council stands firm over gritting criticism - News - Accrington Observer

worth a read!

accyman 05-01-2010 04:09

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 775336)
They haven't the money to grit the pavements, but they might have to find the money for compensation claims from folk who fall and hurt themselves on the icy ungritted streets.


if anyone can claim i recomend they do for 2 reasons

1: may actually teach them its cheaper to pay for gritt

2: rather see money in somones pocket than squandered on trivial projects and plenty of other pointless crap they blow our council tax payments on

mind you it may be cheaper to pay teh extra insurance fees from been sued so they happily let folk get injured either by slipping and breaking bones or in car crashes because teh car drivers insurance will have to fork out for anything they hit so they get off there

shillelagh 05-01-2010 07:03

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What is it about car drivers that make them think theyre invincible? It started snowing here about 6.45am. Now before you set off in your car shouldnt you make sure that you can see out your car windows? It dont take long to brush them all off. Since 7am have seen cars going past with front windscreens cleared but the rear windscreens and side windows still full of snow. The road hasnt been gritted yet either.

Margaret Pilkington 05-01-2010 07:26

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Morning Jen.....thought you didn't do mornings :)

shillelagh 05-01-2010 07:35

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i dont unless i have to ... and today i have to :rolleyes:....:D:D:D


so morning all!!!:D:D:D

Mick 05-01-2010 07:36

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Ah so spuggie bought you that big alarm clock me and spuggie was talking about him getting you for christmas :D:tongueout

accyman 05-01-2010 07:38

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 775462)
Ah so spuggie bought you that big alarm clock me and spuggie was talking about him getting you for christmas :D:tongueout

or one of them wet the bed :eek:

shillelagh 05-01-2010 07:38

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nah .. he bought me a handbag for christmas mick ... all the better to bash you with!!!! In fact spug is up and out and about somewhere ... thats why ... he woke me up!!!:rolleyes::D:eek::tongueout:tongueout:tongueo ut

Mick 05-01-2010 07:42

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He was complaining to me that you needed a very loud alarm clock as he has trouble getting you up in a morning:tongueout:D

Less 05-01-2010 08:05

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 775465)
He was complaining to me that you needed a very loud alarm clock as he has trouble getting you up in a morning:tongueout:D

What he needs is a very quiet proximity alarm so he can hide when she gets near.
:hidewall:

shillelagh 05-01-2010 08:11

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i love my bed .... what can i say ... and on a morning like this where would you rather be ... cuddled up under the duvet all snug and warm or struggling to work or out shopping?

lancsdave 05-01-2010 08:13

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Been told Transdev have taken all buses off the road until lunchtime, though I have seen 1 or 2 stragglers who were probably already out.

The council workmen actually walked past the town hall this morning and headed for Broadway. Not checked yet though :D

Stanleymad 05-01-2010 08:39

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So will be quieter in town today, tho bet they havent cleared the path upto the loo's again today, cant believe how many people fell there yesterday, it shocked me and glad i aint witnessing anymore today.

shillelagh 05-01-2010 08:48

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rising bridge about 15 mins ago ...

Neil 05-01-2010 08:51

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 775477)
rising bridge about 15 mins ago ...

Looks quite easy going up there Jen

shillelagh 05-01-2010 08:58

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traffic what traffic there is seems to be going through ok ... i know they've shut the highway in the sky ... but what buses seem to have gone down accy havent come back up yet ....

Mick 05-01-2010 08:59

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This is our street 5 mins ago
This is as far as i am going to go out the front door today:D

cashman 05-01-2010 09:26

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 775486)
This is our street 5 mins ago
This is as far as i am going to go out the front door today:D

many will be distraught at yer action, What about yer vital research?:eek:

Mick 05-01-2010 09:31

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 775498)
many will be distraught at yer action, What about yer vital research?:eek:

Thats on hold for a while unfortunatly i have started with a cold and got a bad cough which is driving me crackers and has kept me awake most of the night
:mad:

Margaret Pilkington 05-01-2010 11:06

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I have just ventured out to take these snaps of Arctic Clayton
Picture 1) Blackburn Road.
2)Back of Maple Street.
3)Tree in back yard of Maple Lodge
4) Coming out of Wharf Yard.
5) Canal at Clayton.

shillelagh 05-01-2010 23:53

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News : Lancashire County Council winter gritting update

theyre still not going to fill grit bins ...Lancashire is still being kept moving but we still can't yet divert scarce supplies to refilling grit bins and dealing with side roads, until we can be completely sure we're not jeopardising the safety of the main roads.

accyman 06-01-2010 02:08

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not to worry im sure they have scheduled grit bins to be filled in an appropiate time scale

like july for example:rolleyes:

its bloody ridiculous there are certain areas that need gritting more than others as they directly cut off people from been able to get onto the main road like where someone lives in a dip and the only access to the main road is up a hill, local coucilors should be aware of these places and even if they cant gritt all the side roads they should ensure that hazardous and essential access routes be at least gritted.I know accrington and its surrounding areas liek teh back of my hand so it isnt too much to expect a local councilor of somthing so small as a ward to have a bit of knowledge on where the dangerous and potential areas for peopel getting stranded are :rolleyes:

oh hang on thats what the gritt bins are for they are put where they are because they are known areas of great hazzard potential when it snows but they arnt filling them.Bloody idiots

i pitty those stuck up near the outskirts who have to pay the same council tax as us yet because their road is unadopted they will never see 1 grain of gritt even if teh council decide to gritt hazardous areas

Neil 06-01-2010 07:33

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 775820)
i pitty those stuck up near the outskirts who have to pay the same council tax as us yet because their road is unadopted they will never see 1 grain of gritt even if teh council decide to gritt hazardous areas

You make you bed and all that.

That is one of the problems with unadopted roads. They would have shown up in the searches when the houses were bought.

I do however believe that all roads in towns should be adopted. They only need to pick up one or two a year in this area and we would have no unadopted roads in a few years.

accyman 06-01-2010 13:17

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i dont live on an unadopted road but i think they shoudl either recieve teh same services or pay less council tax,also not everyone buys a house they rent so unless told about it people arnt aware they are moving onto an unadopted area.There is one street off ormerod street that is in a terrible state and you wouldnt think it to be unadopted because of its location and the fact that every street surrounding it is adopted

its about time the ridiculous unadopted road issue was sorted we all have to pay the same taxes so we shoudl all be treated teh same

another thing that stinks is that when a new estate is built councils arnt resposible for their roads either yet the occupants still have to pay full council tax fees

if the council wether local or county want peoples money then they should provide the services

K.S.H 06-01-2010 15:58

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Blackburn to keep things moving with white salt
At least their trying, why hasn't Accy bought any?

East Lancashire snow: Wednesday's gritting update (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Neil 06-01-2010 16:07

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 775918)
another thing that stinks is that when a new estate is built councils arnt resposible for their roads either yet the occupants still have to pay full council tax fees

As far as I am aware the Council usually make an agreement with the builders to adopt the new roads when all the building is complete as long as the roads have been constructed to the required standards.

Eric 06-01-2010 17:11

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 775523)
I have just ventured out to take these snaps of Arctic Clayton
Picture 1) Blackburn Road.
2)Back of Maple Street.
3)Tree in back yard of Maple Lodge
4) Coming out of Wharf Yard.
5) Canal at Clayton.

Ok ... so you have had a light dusting of snow:rolleyes: .... what's the problem:confused: Looks to me like a nice winter's day. Your winter weather problems:rolleyes:even made the new over here, tho' I have to admit that the newscasters could barely contain themselves from :rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Margaret Pilkington 06-01-2010 17:23

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 775998)
Ok ... so you have had a light dusting of snow:rolleyes: .... what's the problem:confused: Looks to me like a nice winter's day. Your winter weather problems:rolleyes:even made the new over here, tho' I have to admit that the newscasters could barely contain themselves from :rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Yes Eric...it is all relative.......over there(because you expect snow in winter, and are prepared for it) it is just a sprinkle......but over here it is newsworthy, causes major disruptions. transport grinds to a halt, schools close, hospitals cancel all but emergencies,etc, etc......it is Arctic.
The newspapers tell us it is Arctic so hence my reporting it as Arctic.

And just why do the newscasters keep on mentioning it......only those who are living in a nuclear bunker with no windows would not know about the snow........we only have to look out of the window.

I grew up with the bad winters in the fifties, and 62/63.......and the others that followed and I do not remember the kind of disruption that this winter weather has created.

It is good that your news readers found the situation over here so amusing.......perhaps if they were here, and trying to get to work, it would wipe the smile off their faces.

Eric 06-01-2010 17:41

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 776007)
Yes Eric...it is all relative.......over there(because you expect snow in winter, and are prepared for it) it is just a sprinkle......but over here it is newsworthy, causes major disruptions. transport grinds to a halt, schools close, hospitals cancel all but emergencies,etc, etc......it is Arctic.
The newspapers tell us it is Arctic so hence my reporting it as Arctic.

And just why do the newscasters keep on mentioning it......only those who are living in a nuclear bunker with no windows would not know about the snow........we only have to look out of the window.

I grew up with the bad winters in the fifties, and 62/63.......and the others that followed and I do not remember the kind of disruption that this winter weather has created.

It is good that your news readers found the situation over here so amusing.......perhaps if they were here, and trying to get to work, it would wipe the smile off their faces.

I don't think they were smiling, hon; "smirking" would be more accurate;) But, it's just a little snow ...;):D

Maybe I should dust off my camera and go for a little walk on this pleasant, sunny -7 degree day and take a few pics. All the sidewalks have been plowed out, by the way; and there will not likely be any more snow till Friday. Most of the major streets have been bladed down to the asphalt, and the snow hauled away to be dumped north of the city. There are immense piles of what you call grit in the city yards waiting for the next big blow. And if we don't use it this year, then it will still be there next winter.

But you are right ... we are a winter country (apart from BC) and we are always prepared for the worst, like the great ice storm of '98 ... Apart from disasters like that, we rarely shut down .... slow down sometimes, but come to a halt, nah.

Margaret Pilkington 06-01-2010 17:50

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You see, you got it right........the pavements are not like lumpy ice rinks where even young folk could break an ankle...or a neck, the roads are ploughed and kept free of snow.......you are not stopped from doing the stuff that needs doing each day....you may be slowed down a bit, but things still run........and that is the diffrence.

Here we are being told not to travel, there is no grit for anything other than main arterial routes(and pretty soon that may be used up)......we are held to ransome over the price of fuel to heat our homes......commerce grinds to a halt. It is no fun believe me.
All I can be gratful for, is that I no longer have to haul my sorry ass out of bed at some ungodly hour,scrape the snow off the windscreen and try my best to get to Queens Park Hospital for a shift of duty.........Amen to all that!

turkishdelight 06-01-2010 17:58

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 776019)
You see, you got it right........the pavements are not like lumpy ice rinks where even young folk could break an ankle...or a neck, the roads are ploughed and kept free of snow.......you are not stopped from doing the stuff that needs doing each day....you may be slowed down a bit, but things still run........and that is the diffrence.

Here we are being told not to travel, there is no grit for anything other than main arterial routes(and pretty soon that may be used up)......we are held to ransome over the price of fuel to heat our homes......commerce grinds to a halt. It is no fun believe me.
All I can be gratful for, is that I no longer have to haul my sorry ass out of bed at some ungodly hour,scrape the snow off the windscreen and try my best to get to Queens Park Hospital for a shift of duty.........Amen to all that!

Margaret what ward you work on. My mum worked there for 53 years.

Margaret Pilkington 06-01-2010 18:00

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
I gave up 7 years ago........I was Sister on the Gynae Ward......Sister 'P'......that'd be me :)

Benipete 06-01-2010 18:03

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
Looking on the bright side,I don't have to worry about driving 5 miles a week less anymore.
I reckon I'm covered for the next 5 years.:rolleyes::D

turkishdelight 06-01-2010 18:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 776024)
I gave up 7 years ago........I was Sister on the Gynae Ward......Sister 'P'......that'd be me :)

She was Sister K elderly wards.

US Angel 06-01-2010 20:18

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
I want some snow

Eric 06-01-2010 20:25

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
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Originally Posted by US Angel (Post 776079)
I want some snow

There's lots of it north of the 49th parallel .... :D

Neil 07-01-2010 19:09

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
I just read my work email and there was one from the local council regarding gritting (I work in Knowsley). Here are some interesting bits

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From this point, the Government will be operating the Salt Sell scheme which allocates salt supplies to local authorities in greatest need. As a result, future supplies will be decided by Government Office NW and the Highways Agency. Knowsley will be guided by their decision
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In addition to highway gritting, the Council has targeted gritting for pavements and roads at: walk-in centres, shopping parades, schools and areas where our most vulnerable residents live, e.g. sheltered housing accommodation. Our grounds' maintenance teams have also been involved in the snow clearance operation, supported by those involved in our Community Payback scheme.
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Knowsley Council has also decided to suspend all of the Council's waste and recycling collection operations until Monday 11th January. This is a decision that has not been taken lightly and reflects the known problems that have arisen due to the severe weather.

In the meantime, the waste collection staff will continue to be used in snow/ice clearing on shopping parades across the borough during tomorrow and Friday

accyman 07-01-2010 19:43

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
councils are claiming that gritt is useless when temperatures are as low as -6 and this is there excuse now for not gritting

in germany where a few friends of mine have lived it reaches -20 degrees and the gritt is quite effective

cant really believe anything these council idiots say why dont they just admit they blew the budget on trivial crap and have gotten caught with tehir pants down by teh unexpected snow

you can buy gritt at a farm i think it is on the way to blackburn accross from where daisy dairy used to be as you leave ossy if you need any for your drive or somthing , theres a sign outside, they seem to be able to get a supply so god knows why councils cant

derekgas 07-01-2010 19:48

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
I was told today that Accringtons waste/recycling teams are not working (on collections anyway) for 2 weeks.

The gritting/clearing of snow from shopfronts I believe is down to the shopkeepers, they wont do it because a) The council will fine you if you pile it up at the kerbside, or a different part of the pavement, b) If someone slips in the snow, it does not affect the shopkeepers, but if the shopkeeper has altered the covering of snow by attempted clearing, they would be liable for anyone slipping on the altered surface...... compensation nation strikes again!!

If you look around, the grit bins are in the main.... missing!! there used to be 14 in Altham, now there are none, and I cant remember the last time I saw one anywhere, even an empty one.

Grit with sand isnt too clever in anything minus 5 or less, but if the correct grit is used, it is effective in any temperature, but..... its expensive, so you can draw your own conclusions!

Neil 07-01-2010 19:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 776421)
you can buy gritt at a farm i think it is on the way to blackburn accross from where daisy dairy used to be as you leave ossy if you need any for your drive or somthing , theres a sign outside, they seem to be able to get a supply so god knows why councils cant

And he is a nice chap. I saw that sign as well.

lancsdave 07-01-2010 19:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 776426)
The gritting/clearing of snow from shopfronts I believe is down to the shopkeepers,

In my case I don't do it because I pay council tax & business tax to the council/county council ( as I would imagine you do Derek). It's bad enough paying once and being screwed, twice is an insult :rolleyes:

derekgas 07-01-2010 19:59

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
Dont forget the roadtax lancsdave, I pay plenty of that too, didnt prevent me crashing my car into a street sign on an untreated road though!

Shouldnt have posted this, they will probably inspect the sign for damage now, and charge me if they find any damaged!!

Eric 07-01-2010 20:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 776421)
councils are claiming that gritt is useless when temperatures are as low as -6 and this is there excuse now for not gritting

in germany where a few friends of mine have lived it reaches -20 degrees and the gritt is quite effective

cant really believe anything these council idiots say why dont they just admit they blew the budget on trivial crap and have gotten caught with tehir pants down by teh unexpected snow

you can buy gritt at a farm i think it is on the way to blackburn accross from where daisy dairy used to be as you leave ossy if you need any for your drive or somthing , theres a sign outside, they seem to be able to get a supply so god knows why councils cant

I don't know what kind of grit you guys are using, but our sanders are out at all temps. Last weekend, they were sanding at -25. When freezing rain is in the forecast, the sanders are out before it starts. With climate patterns changing the way they are, it might be a good idea to do the boy scout thing. Keeping things moving in severe winter weather is expensive; Montreal's snow removal budget is in excess of $600 million.

Margaret Pilkington 07-01-2010 20:45

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But then it is expensive not to do it Eric.....losses in commerce and business soon mount up, and litigation for accidents doesn't come cheap either.
One day, over here, they will get that message.
Everything here seems to be reactive, rather than proactive.

Eric 07-01-2010 20:51

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 776464)
But then it is expensive not to do it Eric.....losses in commerce and business soon mount up, and litigation for accidents doesn't come cheap either.
One day, over here, they will get that message.
Everything here seems to be reactive, rather than proactive.

Indeed ... but it's much easier to be proactive when you expect it ... we know that winter is going to throw us some wicked curves (sorry about the baseball metaphor); so, we are ready for the worst, even if sometimes the worst doesn't happen. Once in a while, even we get overwhelmed. At least once every winter, something comes along that slows things down.

Margaret Pilkington 07-01-2010 20:56

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
Yes, other parts of the world can plan and make contingencies for snow....and yes we appreciate that the weather can be unpredictable and bowl us a googly(sorry for the cricket metaphor)...but somehow we fail over here.
It does make us look like wimps in the eyes of the world.
I have lived a longish time, and can remember winters that have been worse than this one....but I don't recall things grinding to a halt....maybe it was some 'rubbed off' wartime spirit...or something pretty close to it.

accyman 07-01-2010 21:36

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
another excuse councils are using is that to gritt pavements as well as roads would add 5 million to the budget and this is also total crap

i dont think anyone has said the pavements should be gritted they never have been but what people do expect is a bare minimum of teh streets to be gritted so that people can at least walk at teh edge of teh road when walking to teh shop if teh pavements are slippy but due to teh severe lack of gritting been done in hyndburn you cant even walk at the side of teh road without slipping on ice but is it really too much to expect that the town center with thousands of pedestrians using it each day be gritted appropiatly so they can do shopping and pay tehir bills without fdear of breaking bones every time they exit a shop

Neil 07-01-2010 21:57

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
I think the pavement should be gritted

lancsdave 07-01-2010 21:58

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
They have been gritting pavements down town today.

Eric 07-01-2010 22:57

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
OK ... serious question ... how do they sand the sidewalks over there? Do you have special sidewalk plows? Or is it done by shovel?

accyman 07-01-2010 23:00

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absolutely nothing is done and if you do clear teh snow outside your house and somone slips they can sue you

accyman 07-01-2010 23:01

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 776507)
I think the pavement should be gritted

so do i and if teh council refilled the gritt bins at least some would be

cashman 07-01-2010 23:14

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 776523)
absolutely nothing is done and if you do clear teh snow outside your house and somone slips they can sue you

Thats exactly what i was informed only today.:(

Gingerninja 11-01-2010 14:39

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
It's the opposite here in Germany - if you don't clear the pavement and any access to your house (even if you live in Army Houses) you are liable if someone slips. That means every street is cleared and the grit (which is running out even here in Germany) can be used on major roads and side roads. So I've been clearing my steps and the pavement since before Christmas and we're still getting the damn stuff coming down!! But unlike the UK - we have to get to work - no excuses - because if the buses are running - which they are (damn them!) we have to get into work - even if it means walking 20 mins from the bus stop into camp!

Tealeaf 11-01-2010 14:50

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
We had no snow forecast for London last night but this morning I awoke to find about an inch had fallen overnight; by 7.30 this morning, the pavements had been gritted. I must admit I was so impressed by the efficiency of this otherwise loony borough that I gave some loose copper to the beggar by the cash machine. Mind you, he was covered in the aforementioned snow, he did say good morning and addressed me as sir, which made a pleasant change from the Polak/West African mumbo-jumbo I usually get from these characters who usually receive a kick up the arse for their troubles.

Gayle 11-01-2010 15:11

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
They were clearing the pavements in Ossy today. Trouble was, it seemed to make it slippier - I much prefer walking on the crunchy snow, much less risk of slipping.

cashman 11-01-2010 18:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 777550)
They were clearing the pavements in Ossy today. Trouble was, it seemed to make it slippier - I much prefer walking on the crunchy snow, much less risk of slipping.

Agree, but if the Numbnuts had,had it shifted when it was soft n not frozen solid, i wouldn't have as much reason to slag em off.:D

Eric 11-01-2010 19:26

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 777550)
They were clearing the pavements in Ossy today. Trouble was, it seemed to make it slippier - I much prefer walking on the crunchy snow, much less risk of slipping.

There is a point to cleaning off exess snow ... when the warming trend comes along, as it will (like here, next week:theband:) the less snow around on the sidewalks, the quicker they will melt clean. They should also be blading the snow, and trucking it out to some convenient dump.

Neil 11-01-2010 21:31

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 777620)
They should also be blading the snow, and trucking it out to some convenient dump.

How do you do that over there?

garinda 12-01-2010 00:21

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 777645)
How do you do that over there?


Slush Puppie

Eric 12-01-2010 02:29

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 777645)
How do you do that over there?

Starting about midnight, large graders blade the snow on the main streets into long lines (like immense lines of gritty, grey cocaine;)) ... then along come the large tractor-mounted snow blowers which blow this into waiting trucks ... all the city trucks, and the ones rented from private contractors. It is then trucked out to snow dumps. Kingston is an old city, well it is in Canadian terms, and the streets are narrow; so the snow can't be left at the side of the road for Spring to deal with. They quit at about 6:00 am so that they don't interfere with the morning commute. It's effective, and minimally disruptive. It is, however, expensive.

Neil 12-01-2010 03:49

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
Thanks for that Eric, it sounds expensive.

accyman 12-01-2010 05:32

Re: Take your Life in yer Hands.
 
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 777701)
Thanks for that Eric, it sounds expensive.

mybe if we got enough snow to justify it but despite what the media would have us believe we havntreally had that much snow although it does seem to have been enough to bring the country to its knees


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