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Take your Life in yer Hands.
Have just had the Dubious Pleasure of going down Accy Centre fer some shopping, Whilst i noticed that outside our Town Hall has been Gritted/Cleared, obviously so our mayor will not slip on his ass, Broadway, n Between to Peel street, n around the market etc is a deathtrap, so shoppers etc can go ahead n break whatever limb takes yer fancy, which i have no doubt "WILL" happen to some unfortunate soul.:( WHY as that area NOT been made safe? i am led to think "Pavements" are the responsibility of our "A" listed local council? is this the case? i would urge any poor sod that falls n injures themselves, to take advice about sueing the responsible party. unfortunately i only "Nearly" fell on me ass, or the first law suit would already be in motion.:mad: "A" listed council? ya gotta be joking.:rolleyes:
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Not so long after u left shop cashy some poor lady fell very badly & has just been taken to hospital, ambulance was here about dinner time too, no doubt have been more today. Its an absolute shambles is town centre for pedestrians, its a nitemare.
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Not been to town but if its anything like the rest of the pavements then it's very very dangerous. You make a good point on the town centre shoppers cashy, Asda have gritted to prevent people slipping, the same should be done in our town centre!
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gritt bins are not been refilled either and there has been talk of fitting locks and dedicating a selected person to have a key and be incharge of dispersing gritt from them so you can imagine what sort of jobs worth is going to get the key and be in charge of dishing it out
not once has a gritter been around teh whalley road area despite residents ringing and asking for it to be done especially over teh xmas period when it fell really heavy and i dare say most of accrington hasnt been gritted either ( unless in a higher paying council tax band) like i have said in another post people are noticing that gritters are been sent out for show to appear to be doing somthing but all they are doing is just flashing the flashy lights but not actually dispersing gritt even though its pretty clear where they are desperatly needs it it may be a matter of cost but that is no excuse due to how much councils waste each year on pointless endevours they shoudl ensure theres enough in teh kitty to pay for things liek gritt especially after teh fiasco of a nationwaide shortage early 2009. i hope they get a flood of lawsuits it may teach them its cheaper to pay for teh gritt in future accy town center is a death trap when it has merely rained and anyone with an ounce of common sense would know that ice ontop of what broadway especially is like shoudl be gritted but not to worry the town hall is accessable they cant have people slipping beofre they pay their council tax bill can they |
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Shame they don't call an election today, lets see how much gets gritted when they need to get out and about canvassing :( |
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Just got back from town and got to agree it is lethal underfoot. Funnily enough there are now about four blokes breaking the ice up on Union Street and clearing a safe path.
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Mind you, Pickup Street pavements in Clayton has not been gritted .. and this is our main walkway for shoppers. Would think that, at least, the shopkeepers e.g. the Co-op would make an effort to clear it to their door ... used to do in the past. Think there is some sort of legal implication these days though. |
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News : Winter maintenance update - 30 December 2009
if you have a read of that .. it will tell you that lancashire county council are not refilling the grit bins .. As the freezing conditions continue the county council crews are working solely to keep the ‘main’ roads salted and free of ice and snow. This means resources are being targeted towards salting of all A and B roads as well as other main roads that help keep traffic moving around the county and the policy of not filling grit bins or treating secondary roads will continue for the time being. The council has enough salt to continue to respond to the conditions over the New Year period. now they havent issued another press release since .. that was on 30th december ... i wonder why? |
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The ink has frozen in the printer? Not enough salt to put in the ink to prevent freezing because it is neither an A or a B road? To tell the truth I don't know. :o |
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What sort of legal implications ? Is it not enough that most of the staff who work in the shop pay council tax and the Co-op pay business council tax that the council can sit on their hands in the warmth of the town hall. scaitcliffe house/ any other luxury apartment, and wait while everybody does their work for them :( We even have to pay the Water Board for OUR rainwater to go from the pavements to the drains. Yes according to the Water Board it's OUR rainwater. On that basis presumably the council think it's OUR snow :mad: |
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get a pair of old socks to put over your shoes an old idea to help stop slipping in icy conditions
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I don't think the policy has change since that statement.The old policy was to grit the main roads, then the bus routes,and then depending on resources,other areas. The policy on not refilling the grit bins in my view is a a mistake.And why the town centre hadn't been done at lot earlier is a mystery.Broadway, Peel St etc should have been treated as a priority on the grounds of public safety. We have had snow in the past, and coped reasonably well. I don't think the County's policy is right, it's just to inflexible.And maybe that's were part of the problem is. |
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We ventured into town today as i was fed up of being stuck in the house due to the bad weather, but won't be going again until it improves out there.
I'm quietly hoping they close the school tomorrow. |
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Don't think the Mayor makes decisions Cashy, the buck stops at the top, or at least it would do if the top man had the decency to take responsibility :mad: |
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Just took a walk down to the off-leash park with the critters ... all the sidewalks have been plowed and sanded ... all major roads and streets in the city have been cleared ... the city promises that every street will have had a least one plowing and sanding by this evening ... and, it is still snowing ... all major highways in the area reporting normal winter driving conditions.
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They haven't the money to grit the pavements, but they might have to find the money for compensation claims from folk who fall and hurt themselves on the icy ungritted streets.
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Liverpool have run out of grit as well according to the news and won't be getting supplies for the foreseeable future
Should the Government step in to help public safety? After all I pay road tax to the Government not the local Councils. Maybe Greg Pope could explain why the roads I pay for are becoming unsafe to drive on? |
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Do you think it might be possible that the council (or possibly even just the staff who work at the town hall) cleared the area in front of the town hall because a lot of people go in there for the tourist information desk? My guess is that they wouldn't want an accident to happen right outside.
And probably the reason that no one has done the rest is because LCC has run out of grit/salt - not Hyndburn's fault. |
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Are the pedestrian areas of Hyndburn under the jurisdiction of the county council ? If so why are all the road sweepers/bin emptiers Hyndburn Council employees ? |
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Perhaps it's the mark of my ungrateful generation; I did not realise that grit salt was such an expensive luxury. If I break a limb on my way to/from work this week, at least I'll be safe in the knowledge that the authorities have saved a bob or two. Cheers, guys.
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It was even dearer when they mixed the treacle in it :D |
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if anyone can claim i recomend they do for 2 reasons 1: may actually teach them its cheaper to pay for gritt 2: rather see money in somones pocket than squandered on trivial projects and plenty of other pointless crap they blow our council tax payments on mind you it may be cheaper to pay teh extra insurance fees from been sued so they happily let folk get injured either by slipping and breaking bones or in car crashes because teh car drivers insurance will have to fork out for anything they hit so they get off there |
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What is it about car drivers that make them think theyre invincible? It started snowing here about 6.45am. Now before you set off in your car shouldnt you make sure that you can see out your car windows? It dont take long to brush them all off. Since 7am have seen cars going past with front windscreens cleared but the rear windscreens and side windows still full of snow. The road hasnt been gritted yet either.
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Morning Jen.....thought you didn't do mornings :)
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i dont unless i have to ... and today i have to :rolleyes:....:D:D:D
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Ah so spuggie bought you that big alarm clock me and spuggie was talking about him getting you for christmas :D:tongueout
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nah .. he bought me a handbag for christmas mick ... all the better to bash you with!!!! In fact spug is up and out and about somewhere ... thats why ... he woke me up!!!:rolleyes::D:eek::tongueout:tongueout:tongueo ut
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He was complaining to me that you needed a very loud alarm clock as he has trouble getting you up in a morning:tongueout:D
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i love my bed .... what can i say ... and on a morning like this where would you rather be ... cuddled up under the duvet all snug and warm or struggling to work or out shopping?
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Been told Transdev have taken all buses off the road until lunchtime, though I have seen 1 or 2 stragglers who were probably already out.
The council workmen actually walked past the town hall this morning and headed for Broadway. Not checked yet though :D |
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So will be quieter in town today, tho bet they havent cleared the path upto the loo's again today, cant believe how many people fell there yesterday, it shocked me and glad i aint witnessing anymore today.
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traffic what traffic there is seems to be going through ok ... i know they've shut the highway in the sky ... but what buses seem to have gone down accy havent come back up yet ....
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This is as far as i am going to go out the front door today:D |
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I have just ventured out to take these snaps of Arctic Clayton
Picture 1) Blackburn Road. 2)Back of Maple Street. 3)Tree in back yard of Maple Lodge 4) Coming out of Wharf Yard. 5) Canal at Clayton. |
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News : Lancashire County Council winter gritting update
theyre still not going to fill grit bins ...Lancashire is still being kept moving but we still can't yet divert scarce supplies to refilling grit bins and dealing with side roads, until we can be completely sure we're not jeopardising the safety of the main roads. |
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not to worry im sure they have scheduled grit bins to be filled in an appropiate time scale
like july for example:rolleyes: its bloody ridiculous there are certain areas that need gritting more than others as they directly cut off people from been able to get onto the main road like where someone lives in a dip and the only access to the main road is up a hill, local coucilors should be aware of these places and even if they cant gritt all the side roads they should ensure that hazardous and essential access routes be at least gritted.I know accrington and its surrounding areas liek teh back of my hand so it isnt too much to expect a local councilor of somthing so small as a ward to have a bit of knowledge on where the dangerous and potential areas for peopel getting stranded are :rolleyes: oh hang on thats what the gritt bins are for they are put where they are because they are known areas of great hazzard potential when it snows but they arnt filling them.Bloody idiots i pitty those stuck up near the outskirts who have to pay the same council tax as us yet because their road is unadopted they will never see 1 grain of gritt even if teh council decide to gritt hazardous areas |
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That is one of the problems with unadopted roads. They would have shown up in the searches when the houses were bought. I do however believe that all roads in towns should be adopted. They only need to pick up one or two a year in this area and we would have no unadopted roads in a few years. |
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i dont live on an unadopted road but i think they shoudl either recieve teh same services or pay less council tax,also not everyone buys a house they rent so unless told about it people arnt aware they are moving onto an unadopted area.There is one street off ormerod street that is in a terrible state and you wouldnt think it to be unadopted because of its location and the fact that every street surrounding it is adopted
its about time the ridiculous unadopted road issue was sorted we all have to pay the same taxes so we shoudl all be treated teh same another thing that stinks is that when a new estate is built councils arnt resposible for their roads either yet the occupants still have to pay full council tax fees if the council wether local or county want peoples money then they should provide the services |
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Blackburn to keep things moving with white salt
At least their trying, why hasn't Accy bought any? East Lancashire snow: Wednesday's gritting update (From Lancashire Telegraph) |
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The newspapers tell us it is Arctic so hence my reporting it as Arctic. And just why do the newscasters keep on mentioning it......only those who are living in a nuclear bunker with no windows would not know about the snow........we only have to look out of the window. I grew up with the bad winters in the fifties, and 62/63.......and the others that followed and I do not remember the kind of disruption that this winter weather has created. It is good that your news readers found the situation over here so amusing.......perhaps if they were here, and trying to get to work, it would wipe the smile off their faces. |
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Maybe I should dust off my camera and go for a little walk on this pleasant, sunny -7 degree day and take a few pics. All the sidewalks have been plowed out, by the way; and there will not likely be any more snow till Friday. Most of the major streets have been bladed down to the asphalt, and the snow hauled away to be dumped north of the city. There are immense piles of what you call grit in the city yards waiting for the next big blow. And if we don't use it this year, then it will still be there next winter. But you are right ... we are a winter country (apart from BC) and we are always prepared for the worst, like the great ice storm of '98 ... Apart from disasters like that, we rarely shut down .... slow down sometimes, but come to a halt, nah. |
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You see, you got it right........the pavements are not like lumpy ice rinks where even young folk could break an ankle...or a neck, the roads are ploughed and kept free of snow.......you are not stopped from doing the stuff that needs doing each day....you may be slowed down a bit, but things still run........and that is the diffrence.
Here we are being told not to travel, there is no grit for anything other than main arterial routes(and pretty soon that may be used up)......we are held to ransome over the price of fuel to heat our homes......commerce grinds to a halt. It is no fun believe me. All I can be gratful for, is that I no longer have to haul my sorry ass out of bed at some ungodly hour,scrape the snow off the windscreen and try my best to get to Queens Park Hospital for a shift of duty.........Amen to all that! |
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I gave up 7 years ago........I was Sister on the Gynae Ward......Sister 'P'......that'd be me :)
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Looking on the bright side,I don't have to worry about driving 5 miles a week less anymore.
I reckon I'm covered for the next 5 years.:rolleyes::D |
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I want some snow
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I just read my work email and there was one from the local council regarding gritting (I work in Knowsley). Here are some interesting bits
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councils are claiming that gritt is useless when temperatures are as low as -6 and this is there excuse now for not gritting
in germany where a few friends of mine have lived it reaches -20 degrees and the gritt is quite effective cant really believe anything these council idiots say why dont they just admit they blew the budget on trivial crap and have gotten caught with tehir pants down by teh unexpected snow you can buy gritt at a farm i think it is on the way to blackburn accross from where daisy dairy used to be as you leave ossy if you need any for your drive or somthing , theres a sign outside, they seem to be able to get a supply so god knows why councils cant |
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I was told today that Accringtons waste/recycling teams are not working (on collections anyway) for 2 weeks.
The gritting/clearing of snow from shopfronts I believe is down to the shopkeepers, they wont do it because a) The council will fine you if you pile it up at the kerbside, or a different part of the pavement, b) If someone slips in the snow, it does not affect the shopkeepers, but if the shopkeeper has altered the covering of snow by attempted clearing, they would be liable for anyone slipping on the altered surface...... compensation nation strikes again!! If you look around, the grit bins are in the main.... missing!! there used to be 14 in Altham, now there are none, and I cant remember the last time I saw one anywhere, even an empty one. Grit with sand isnt too clever in anything minus 5 or less, but if the correct grit is used, it is effective in any temperature, but..... its expensive, so you can draw your own conclusions! |
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Dont forget the roadtax lancsdave, I pay plenty of that too, didnt prevent me crashing my car into a street sign on an untreated road though!
Shouldnt have posted this, they will probably inspect the sign for damage now, and charge me if they find any damaged!! |
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But then it is expensive not to do it Eric.....losses in commerce and business soon mount up, and litigation for accidents doesn't come cheap either.
One day, over here, they will get that message. Everything here seems to be reactive, rather than proactive. |
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Yes, other parts of the world can plan and make contingencies for snow....and yes we appreciate that the weather can be unpredictable and bowl us a googly(sorry for the cricket metaphor)...but somehow we fail over here.
It does make us look like wimps in the eyes of the world. I have lived a longish time, and can remember winters that have been worse than this one....but I don't recall things grinding to a halt....maybe it was some 'rubbed off' wartime spirit...or something pretty close to it. |
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another excuse councils are using is that to gritt pavements as well as roads would add 5 million to the budget and this is also total crap
i dont think anyone has said the pavements should be gritted they never have been but what people do expect is a bare minimum of teh streets to be gritted so that people can at least walk at teh edge of teh road when walking to teh shop if teh pavements are slippy but due to teh severe lack of gritting been done in hyndburn you cant even walk at the side of teh road without slipping on ice but is it really too much to expect that the town center with thousands of pedestrians using it each day be gritted appropiatly so they can do shopping and pay tehir bills without fdear of breaking bones every time they exit a shop |
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I think the pavement should be gritted
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They have been gritting pavements down town today.
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OK ... serious question ... how do they sand the sidewalks over there? Do you have special sidewalk plows? Or is it done by shovel?
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absolutely nothing is done and if you do clear teh snow outside your house and somone slips they can sue you
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It's the opposite here in Germany - if you don't clear the pavement and any access to your house (even if you live in Army Houses) you are liable if someone slips. That means every street is cleared and the grit (which is running out even here in Germany) can be used on major roads and side roads. So I've been clearing my steps and the pavement since before Christmas and we're still getting the damn stuff coming down!! But unlike the UK - we have to get to work - no excuses - because if the buses are running - which they are (damn them!) we have to get into work - even if it means walking 20 mins from the bus stop into camp!
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We had no snow forecast for London last night but this morning I awoke to find about an inch had fallen overnight; by 7.30 this morning, the pavements had been gritted. I must admit I was so impressed by the efficiency of this otherwise loony borough that I gave some loose copper to the beggar by the cash machine. Mind you, he was covered in the aforementioned snow, he did say good morning and addressed me as sir, which made a pleasant change from the Polak/West African mumbo-jumbo I usually get from these characters who usually receive a kick up the arse for their troubles.
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They were clearing the pavements in Ossy today. Trouble was, it seemed to make it slippier - I much prefer walking on the crunchy snow, much less risk of slipping.
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Thanks for that Eric, it sounds expensive.
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