These people are animals in the name of religion
 

Rape victim receives 101 lashes for becoming pregnant - Telegraph
What right society allows this to happen to a 16 year old girl:(

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What do you expect. Yet they are the same people that dictate to us how we should treat them, when they come to live in this country.
And they want that Shira law to apply here as well.
Talk about cake and eat it.
Retlaw.

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Yeh but at least the elders "Pardoned the Rapist":rolleyes:

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Only proves they treat women like second class citizens cashy

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Well at least they got summat right.:D:hidewall:

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That wall don't seem high enough cashy :D

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i hope that paris did not see that comment.

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I think the cake is Ok they can get away with that :) just as long as it's not a Rum sponge or Sherry trifle :D But the full English is going to be a bit of a problem though on a couple of counts :eek:

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Joking aside, the rape & punishment of this young girl to us in the West is viewed as immoral, illogical & wrong. It is also by their own account (Muslims) seen as wrong : see below.

In contrast, Islam prohibits all expression of sexuality outside marriage, including flirting, kissing, and even holding hands. Therefore rape of anyone of any age, nationality, or religion by anyone of any age, nationality, or religion, is considered to be one of the most serious crimes, punishable, most often, by the death of the rapist.

Now this comes from the very people themselves ( a Muslim legal advice site) so when this happens who can you turn to ? laws accepted & gleaned from the Quran by your own people, but also ignored or interpreted, as it suits ! Is it any wonder there is so much mistrust in the West ?

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their religion is just the same as any other over the years it is only followed when it suits or is benificial to themselves and is interpreted to suit any particular adjenda they have at any given time

please note i am including all religions here not just islam

its a bit like the 10 commandments where as somthing along the lines of tho shalt not covert your neigbours wife but is easily ignored if said neighbours wife is a rather sexy brunette with huge boobs

religion is only followed when it is easy to do so or suits a self purpous

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Islam as a relegion is around 500 years younger than any Christian or Jewish religion...2,000 years ago the Jews stoned women... 400 years ago the Christians where still hanging women as witches.
Islam is a backward religion that has not moved one inch since it was formed.

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in 500 years or so they may wake up and take it with a pinch of salt like the rest of us do.

mind you it must be hard to give up somthing that provides so many excuses for inhumane behaviour but the christians managed it thats why most churches are now converted into flats

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nope not a problem at all these days just go to blackburn college and pay a visit to the canteen , bacon butties are the number 1 best seller to the muslim students who take full advantage of not been under their elders watchfull eye and have a delicious slice or two of bacon just like how many muslim teenagers use non muslim shops to buy their booze so that it dosntget back to teh mosque and they can go worship without fear of been pulled over for it.

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Hell I've missed out accyman, my next door neighbour is a six ex-landlord

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So what your saying accyman is that the new generation of muslims are hypocrites ;)

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what im saying is that as each generation passes they arnt as stuck to their faith and are letting go a little

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that i agree with in 80s, early 90s was a couple used to work wi me,not kids but middle-aged, when they were on shifts wi us,n there mates were on other shifts, used to go canteen n get bacon butties, one in fact used to pick his horses outa daily mirror n put a split on everyday,whilst eating his butty, would never do it when certain others were on our shift. also he used to come fer a pint wi is after 6-2 shift finished, before catching bus home to blackburn n THEN being a good chap.:D was a top geezer sadly no longer wi us.

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I used to have a drinking buddy who was a muslim, he didn't give a toss:D

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quite a lot dont but as i was told if the comunity leaders fall out with you or you fall foul of the mosque group you loose out on the perks of been a good memner of the community like interest free loans etc.Its well known they have their own banks etc and somone out of favour would loose out on certain privelages of been one of teh faithfull comunity.

its simply a case of what they dont see or know wont hurt so although the enjoy things we do they are just more carefull where the do it like buying booze from white owned shops for example

i use to live practically next door to an off licence and every night car upon car full of asians pulled up and bought loads of booze infact asians were her biggest customers but once it was sold to an asian they no longer went there for booze and practically over night there were no more asians using that shop at all

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I can see the various points & it's not just a Muslim issue where folk pick & choose which part of their belief system is relevant at any given time & which particular edict can be ignored/bent/ used as a guide !! dependant on prevailing circumstances.

It's the fact that the religious leaders keep saying it's a moderate & sensible religion, then you see/hear about events like this. I'm aware that the British punishment & judicial system leaves a lot to be desired, but this is even worse & this is the Sharia that they say should be incorporated into the British legal system ?? Why ??

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yer quite correct dave its not just a muslim issue, never has been, when i was a kid us catholics had NOT to eat meat on a friday, which from being a teenager was blatantly ignored by me n many others, the differance lies in the fact, if we would have been Stoned,Flogged, put to Death, or osrtacised by the community, then we would have no doubt adhered to it. but it was not the british way- its called TOLERANCE.:rolleyes:

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That's the whole point, we have tolerance. Admittedly there are times when you see or hear about something & I for one would have no misgivings about putting a rope round someone's neck & letting them swing, but we don't do it nowadays.

The main issue is that the lad got away with it & the girl is the one being punished in more ways than one, this is wrong on so many levels ! The problem then arises that some of those "living here" see this & perceive it to be the norm & clamour for its' inclusion into UK law.

This should now be the instance when the present Government finds its got a spine, stands up and states its position we are multi-culti but BRITISH & as such the only law that applies & will ever apply is British law. Should the malcontent's who wish for a different legal system, carry on with their bleating they should be firmly shown the Airport given tickets & sent on their way to the land where the desired legal system operates. All entry visas & papers allowing access into UK should be revoked & we should never have to see their petulant faces again..... All those in favour !

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Will never happen in my lifetime.:( i have no doubt whatsoever that IF one of the main partys introduced such a measure, THAT PARTY would WALK the next election. sadly it will not be!

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Christian leaders keep saying that Christianity is a moderate and sensible religion; yet, as all this is going on, Scott Roeder is claiming in an American court that it was ok for him to shoot abortion doctor, George Tiller, in church as he worshipped with his family, because he, Roeder, was trying to save the lives of the unborn. Muslims don't have a monopoly on wacky religious shlt ... similar born again nutbars are almost mainstream in certain parts of the Christian world ... esp. in the US.

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what ya on about eric? Dave said in post ya quoted- its not just a muslim issue.:confused:

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Just variations on a theme, is all.

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And further variations and questions: Why is it that we, as a society, not as individuals, seem prepared to tolerate religious extremists? Is it because of some misplaced pcism? That we don't want to appear as if we are intolerant of someone's "beliefs", even if those beliefs involve Guyana Kool Aid and suicide bombing, and whatever those nutbars in the appropriately named Waco, Texas believed in?

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"We"(ie the general public) as you put it Eric are not prepared to tolerate religious extremists as far as I can gather. The powers that be in this country IMHO seem to be intent in bending over backwards in making our country a laughing stock around the world. If any one of us travels to another country we accept their customs but seems not so here. Just be glad you got out mate because Britain "Great" or otherwise is long gone!!!!!

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[quote] DaveinGermany? is even worse & this is the Sharia that they say should be incorporated into the British legal system ?? Why ?? [/] To late to worry as Sharia Law is being used in conjunction with British Law, wonder just how long before it takes precedence!!!!!

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Not so , seems the Labour Govt. appointed Ambassador to the Republic of Yemen has had a problem with his zipper .....a fine example to set to the 'heathens' in an Islamic republic when "we the West" are preaching morality
Married ambassador to Yemen moves pregnant mistress into official residence - Telegraph

Suppose its ok though since he is a typical Labour appointee/politician and as everyone knows most of them have the morals of a butchers cur dog . :D :D

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where as tory polotitions get found dead wearing fishnets and have an orange stuffed in their gob or appear in the papers after a female pimps booking diary gets given to the news papers or have rent boys telling tales of encounters in the local loos :rolleyes:

seriously if your going to have a dig at labour keep to the economy because torys have far more sexual deviants in their closet lol

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Never said the Tories and upper crust were guilt free (as the occasional Ginger headed cuckoo in the nest prooves) but they have an legitimate excuse , inbreeding causes inherited simplemindedness , but I allways thought the Labour lot were raised better . ;)

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this is NEW LABOUR dont forget lol although they are getting pretty OLD now :)

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I agree cashy I didn't eat meat when I was little, but that soon went by the by, as I've said before I don't agree with the Catholic Churches views on contraception either, especially when they have such strong views on abortion, as cashy says today its about tolerance by all religions

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one day teh world will be free of religion its just a pity it wont be in my lifetime but as soon as religion ceases to be so will a lot of problems in this world

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There's nothing wrong with religion accyman its the nuts that use it for their own ends where the problem lies

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theres a lot wrong with religion its sole purpous is to control people under the pretence that there is a reward after you die for good behaviour but what it dosnt tell you is that its idea of good behaviour was thought up by a man and what his ideas of good behaviour were and not some all knowing god which over the years humanity has been beaten into accepting or in teh case of christianity slaughtered into accepting

i stopped talking to my imaginary friend when i was 6 but if i was still doing it i would be locked up yet its perfectly ok for grown adults to attend church once a week or mosque etc , drop to their knees and prey to theirs, sing to it and in some cases like born again christians have their imaginary friend take over their body and speak through them in tongues.The only thing that a born again christian has renewed is guilibility :rolleyes:

seriuosly whos realy the nut jobs ?

iv read the bible and to be honest hell sounds more fun especially what they reakon you have to do to get there :D

been a while since i offended the god squad sory for the delay :o

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Your forgiven my son:mosher: Bless you:D

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Reminds me of a joke Bernard Perkins used to tell.

Two blokes die one goes to heaven the other to hell, after a few weeks they meet at the fence, the bloke in hell says 'whats it like up yon', 'Its hard work really, we work 7 days a week fouteen hours a day, but the foods good, whats it like down there', oh its great, we work one day a week for two hours', 'oh why's that', 'theres more of use down here':D

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two gypos arrive at heaven and ask saint peter for entrance, saint peter says he will have to check with god first and trots off to ask god if teh gypos can enter to which god replies that they can.

10 mins or so passes and saint peter returns to god saying that they have gone

god asks if he is refering to the gypos

saint peter says no lord the bloody gates are gone

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I wonder if she'll get another 101 lashes if she has twins?

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Religion always has been and always will be used by a minute minority to control the vast majority. People may not set presidence by it as much as they did in the past as we are more open minded. Thing is though thoughs that do follow religion do it out of loyalty conviction belief or even comfort. If we are to live by what the good book (all religions) then it is a way of life not just a belief and acceptance of any laws or punishment held within them books is the norm. As for lashings and forgiving of the offender then yes it is extreme and backward in our eyes but it was not that long ago that our own "beliefs were no better.

Islam is a way of life as is being Hindu Seikh or Buddist. People follow these to the letter yet also accept the teachings to the letter. Ok we are now in 21c but religion plays a big part still for many yet they adapt the way they live to accommodate this century. There will be those that say that it is not quick enough but some change is better than non even if it is considered to slow. With each passing generation something changes and that is how it will always be as we cannot just brush religion under the carpet just to suite ourselves. Personally I think that when religions do come to the west that the followers try and fit in the best they can if allowed to

.Back to the point about the lashings did the paper tell the whole story or just the bits that suited them? Rape is a heinous crime and a shattering one for whom it is committed against but under the laws applied to this was there any provocation in the eyes of the elders? By not reporting it she has broken their laws and might be seen to have wanted it to happen (not very tactful I know) yet being in the club just made matters worse. If you think of what happens over here with rape cases both true and false as well as the methods and excuses used then are we any different? Who has the greater number of cases them or us? when we as a society are perfect then we can condem others.

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Must admit to being on the side of Accyman on the religion question. I tend to have a rather jaded view towards "All religions". Since there are so many who can claim to be right ? which is the true religion of & for man ? It seems over the years the right one was the one that was backed up with the greater show of force ! Persecution & putting to death of non believers has sounded from followers of many religions it appears generic to that individuals belief.

I'm not against people of faith lets make that clear, each & everyone one of us has that right to choose what we believe in & should that be the belief in a faith & all its encompassing Deities, well good for you, but please don't try to ram it down the throats of those of us who have no truck with religion! Why should a religious book define who I am & how I should behave. we have books of Laws & Statutes, etc which should be sufficient to guide us.

Our Families & Friends should also be relevant to our developing & behaviour as people. These are the ones who give us our basic tenets of decency/ respect/self worth/fairness, they are truly omnipresent not some fabled omnipotence that we should aspire to. Sadly though with some families this is not the case & it is immaterial if they have faith or not, they are just deficient regardless, this is a trait of being Human & we are what we are. If there was a supreme being would they not have made us perfect ?

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To the point that any religion can make a mess of something as serious as rape is shown with this;

Vatican 'credibility' damaged in row over 9yo rape victim - Telegraph

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This is an area of the Catholic church I disagree with, I am by no means pro abortion far from it, but a case like this shows the Church are detached from ordinary family life, is it any wonder catholic churches are closing because they can't recruit people to be priests. I have long been in favour of Catholic priests marrying, which in today's society is the only way forward. If there were married priest they would have a better understanding of the needs of the family, and would bring the church out of the dark ages

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Sadly the Catholic church does not want to change. I personally think they like the power they have over and shove down the throats of people. As for priests being allowed to marry then yes they should as they are so far out of touch with modern life it beggars belief.

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Have to get pedantic on this one: the church in the so-called "Dark Ages" was a more pure and more spiritual institution than it is today. And it was certainly more accepting of scientific experiment and inquiry. Bernard of Clairvaux sort of messed things up ... but what the hell. Starting about the middle of the thirteenth century, the church starts to go a little nuts. I think that one can date the decline of the church into what it is now, not with the Borgia Popes, but with the issue of the Bull "Unum Sanctum ... " by Boniface Vlll in thirteen hundred and something or other (sorry, doing this from memory), which stated that there was no salvation outside the church. Have a nice day, eh;):D

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Oh buggar then I am off to the bbq area when I pop mi clogs. Salvation what is that in real speak I wonder.

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I don't really know what salvation is .... but I do know that it has an army:uzi:;) Anyhow, hell might not be all that bad in comparison. Ever thought how an eternity of harp playing would screw up your finger nails:confused:

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I have recently read the books of Robert A Monroe who did decades of research into out of body experience.

One finding of his is relevant to this thread.
After death, on the astral plane, each religion has its own region where 'indoctrination' continues.
......until the spirit decides that religion answers nothing/serves no purpose
..... then the spirit can progress to higher levels
ie. religion holds back the evolution of conciousness

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Erm does that mean that a free thinking free spirit with no religious ties has a better chance of topping the tree (bit hindu/buddist to me) so to speak. Heck they aint happy (religions) controlling and dictating to us in our mortal coil that they hinder us in the daisy pushing stage. :confused:

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So what this fella is saying is, that after being told you'll go to Heaven/Paradise /Valhalla/Shangri la or whatever all your life by religious leaders, When you're standing outside the Pearly gates (or equivalent) you go into a waiting room ? pick a number & wait ! then when it's your turn you go in to see the social worker/adviser who then continues to prattle on about the values of said religious groups teachings, like their earth bound contemporaries !

After listening to this gibberish you then go where ? if you step out of the office & regard the just gleaned prattle of being worthless then you advance to a superior plane ? if that's the case the brouhaha on Earth is pointless, because whatever they make you believe on Earth has no bearing on your ascension into Heaven etc, because when you get there you should just ignore the babble & nip round the corner for a better future !

Err ....... The pointlessness speaks volumes I think. :idea:

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St Peter was showing a new comer round heaven when they came across a two large walls, where chanting could be heard, St Peter said don't make too much noise the catholics are behind that one and the muslims are behind the other.
Why the walls asked the new comer.
St Peter replied, its because they think they are the only ones here.

Retlaw.

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i dont want to goto heaven all my friends will be in hell so whats the point :D

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If I have aroused your curiosity you could read his books
Journeys out of Body
Far Journeys
Ultimate Journey
I found free downloads of them.

Or you could watch these videos of him giving a briefer explanation of his research
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

If you are ready to recieve the info and approach it with an open mind, you may well feel the benefit of it.

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Seems to me we forgot a crime was committed
or is Rape not longer a crime

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No but it seems to have opened a somewhat diverse debate on religious attitudes in all faiths.

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Ain't that a good reason for all faiths to keep their noses out, a crime against a person is against the law, no matter what it is Spugs