54% of teenage girls have a child before 18.... According to the Tories
 

The Tories have published a document claiming that 54% of teenage girls are pregnant before they turn 18, but the real figure is 5.4% :D
BBC News - Tories criticised over teenage pregnancy figure error

.. it's laughable but worrying to know that the so called well educated Eton tory hierachy actually believed the figure was 54%.. these idiots want to run the economy, I hope they brush up on thier maths before they start making the massive cuts.. scary! :eek:

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not one to stick up for tories but this clearly looks like somone didnt press the "." button hard enough when typing teh report lol

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They are probably just talking about Accrington.

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Looks that way.. but they must have thought it was 54% or they would have spotted it :rolleyes:.. either way they are dumb.

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It could be worse I suppose, if they had been accused of being 'in touch' and had caused 54% of all pre-eighteen pregnancies!

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It would appear that Mancie is just as confused as his Tory friends. Irrespective of the dancing decimal point, there is a big difference between teenage girls getting pregnant (the conception rate) and those same girls subsequently having a baby. About half of all these pregnancies end in abortion (and that figure is rising). Maybe next time he can try to be more accurate with the title of his thread.

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No confusion here.. please enlighten me.. I presume that "conception" would mean the woman is pregnant? :confused: .of course having an abortion would end ..as for me being more accurate are you joking?.. accuracy does not seem to be one of the Tories strong points... can you back up your figures that half of these pregnancies end in abortion?.... tell you what why not just plum for 54% :D...
The Tory party said the conception rate for this age group in the 10 most disadvantaged areas of England was 54%, while the real figure was 5.4%.

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Err....try the Office for National Statistics. They published some figures a few months ago which appeared in the press.I'm quite sure their website will contain those very same figures.

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Err.. why would I want to trawl through O.N.S stats?.. you are the one talking about accurate figures.:rolleyes:

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Typical Mancie clutching at straws when his ship has already sunk:D

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I think he's confused and emotional, Jaysay...maybe he's just back from the pub. He did ask previously ask me to back up my figure and I simply suggested he refer to the ONS...but now he suddenly does not want to. I think he should lie down and have a good rest.

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Hang on ... the Tories have published a national document stating 54% of teenage girls are pregnant before they reach 18..in real the real world (the world your Eton boys don't seem to live in) it is 5.4%..slightly wrong by about 10 fold.. if this sort of thing is what we can expect from a Tory Government then it won't only be straws we'll be clutching at when we sink! :rolleyes:

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Your missing the point Mancie we've already sunk mate, its the Tories who'll have to raise the ship AGAIN, because every time your chosen form of government is give a chance everything goes tits up big style, only this time they've had longer and its a fare bigger tits up than usual :rolleyes:

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Somehow suspect there are a couple of mixed metaphors there Jay', but what the hey at least his ship allows him to take a couple of straws with him when it sinks.

Will your ship be that generous to you?
:):cool:

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Yeah right I've missed the point..:rolleyes:...the Tories will raise the ship again.. like 3 day weeks, power cuts, riots, 15% mortgage rates..got to admit there was never a dull moment under the Tories.. oh happy days :D

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Gold old Mancie, keep it up

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The title of the thread maybe wrong.. but the content is accurate as far as the BBC and even the Mail..
Tories in row over teenage pregnancy figure error | Mail Online

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no worries there Boeing Guy..when the Tories stop talkin kak I'll give up.:)

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With the media extolling the virtues of trollops like Jordan/Katie Price, it doesn't surprise me at all to believe we are living in a slut-driven society that has lense of morality than the everage alley-cat.

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Tsk! such strong words, "slut-Driven"? However I really must protest that you should sully The good name of the illustrious antipodean Dame Edna Everage, in this fashion!

She is no alley-cat!

That Lady has the highest of Morals and could be of guidance to us all with such quotes as:-

http://www.dame-edna.com/Dame_Edna_Painting.gif

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Could be the perfect "woman" for you Less.. but I don't think she can cook.:D

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I'd say it is the outlook of our society the Tories and the media want us to believe.. the Tories are not talking about immigrants anymore .. they have shifted to their good old basics of bashing the majority of British people... bash any parents under 18yrs old even though they may be married or in a stable working relationship .. bash the most populated areas in the country.. the cuts they talk about will be in these areas.. no cuts in the leafy suburbs of any stockbrocker belts.

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Last sentence should have read: less sense of morality than the average alley-cat! My indignant female feline chanced to walk across my keyboard as I was typing, hence the grammatical errors. The look she gave me assured me that perhaps she disagreed with my point of view!

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to be honest this thread ain't kick up the fuss I hoped it would do.. perhaps if I'd just posted the normal Accy thread of slagging off young people.. or slagged off immigarnts, Chavs.. bad parking by Asians.. Gypsies and crime waves..we would have got the usuall response of slash burn and hang.. but when anyone dares to take a pop at the Tories you are on dry land here!

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We could always blame an education system, that allows such sloppy mathematics to flourish. Unless nearly thirteen years of being governed by the same party, and who therefore are ultimately responsible for today's education, doesn't fit your political agenda.

Maths teachers fail primary level test - Times Online

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Try being more bigoted.

That's one sure way the majority of members on here come harmoniously together, to give a good ol' virtual kicking.

;)

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Thanks for the advice.

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I just can't hold back...
here it is.. the Eton Tory Boys
YouTube - David Cameron Posters - Best Of

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Couldn't you pretend that the offending figure was quoted by an Asian Tory politician? You'd probably get more of a response that way. "Coming over here, making up phoney statistics, who the hell do they think they are? They'll be making us all do calculations in urdu next..." etc etc etc. ;)

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You said that .. not me :D

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It's all these new fangled percentages 54% means nothing to most of us, why can't they just say 27/50th's like in the days of the 3 R's.

Raping, Rogering & Ridiculing (my old school motto at Rushmore uppem)

Ah yes, memories, The smell of the The old school urinals that used to come from the gym teacher.

A rather stupid man that couldn't roll his r's

He'd stand on the touch line, (now you know why it's called that), at 'rugger', shouting "Wah, Wah, Wushmore Top Wankers at Wushmore!".

He could never understand why he would get a belly laugh from the local oiks if we ever condescended to give them a game!

:eek:

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Just trying to stir up a bit of reaction for you. To be honest, Mancie, I don't think this is going to be the shock, horror, innumerate Tories scandal that you're hoping for. People are so used to duplicity and stupidity from politicians of all persuasions that something like this doesn't even register on the radar. :rolleyes:

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bollox.. 54% aint never been 5.4% even when i went to school..and the bogs at your school do seems a bit moody ..maybe you should have taken some well trusted Tory statistics into the urinals .:D

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At least you can't get pregnant, rolling your r's.

;)

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not on the radar Wynonie..the total breakdown of the World economy is not on the Tory radar.. the tories reckon they can sort it all out.. like they did in the 80's.

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Did anybody watch this?

BBC iPlayer - Andrew Marr's History of Modern Britain: Revolution

My God that was a trip down memory lane I for one didn't need reminding of.:D

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I'd give it up as a bad job, Mancie, lad. Jaysay's gone to get some shuteye, Boeing Guy's probably flying off to somewhere exotic and as Accyweb is not the hotbed of Tory support that you fondly imagine it to be, I very much doubt that you're going to start a ruck over this. ;)

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Once asked an well commited IRA man how they had managed to miss killing Thatcher on that night.. the reply was.."I get that question everyday.. from Englishmen".:D

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no ruck Wynonie.. just a reminder to the bods that think it's all done and dusted.:)

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funnily enough, i can honestly say i asked the same question.;)

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since there has been no real explanation from the yelling Tories on here.. I'll take it as a victory for the common man!

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Well to be fair mancie I don't have a butler yet, cannot afford one. I never considered myself to anything other than working class, I mean if you are a scouser how can you be anything else.

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This made me laugh :D

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OMG are you telling us they let scousers fly planes?

Does the static from the shell suit not play havoc with the instruments

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Scouser pilots must be rare.
You didn't happen to sit next to me on a flight to Tenerife in 1994?

PS sorry got that wrong - he was a brain surgeon;)

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Course they do ! No one else knows all the European Cup/Champions leauge final destinations like Scousers !! :D :D

plus the fact that most people wouldn't want to be on a plane full of scousers on account of things goin' diffy !!!:do-one: I am one so I can say it !!

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I'm still trying to pinpoint why we tolerate the use of the term: 'British Asian'? Why not: 'British Scot', 'British Welsh', 'British Irish', 'British Australian' or maybe 'British Pole'?. At the end of the day you are either British or you are not.

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thats a good question stumped, dunno the answer, but do know i never knew a scot, or taffy, that regarded themselves as british, n only irish that did were some living in N.I. the fact that some muslims regard themselves as british, to me can only be a positive thing, its just a pity more of em dont. perhaps yer looking at this from wrong angle?

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I think it's a pride thing, I know when filling forms here in Germany & when renewing a Passport, I will put Brit/English, it defines me as opposed to my JocK mate he'll put Brit/Scottish, all nationals within UK tend to accept they're British, but their lineage is also important to them hence the quantification. Don't see as it hurts anyone so long as the British aspect comes first.

I mean you call a Jock/Taffy or Paddy English & see the response it elicits, you'd be pretty miffed if someone classed you as something you're not.

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Anyway to come back to the topic, I don't think you got the response you expected Mancie, because most people see the politicians as all being as bad as each other, irrelevant of who's gang they're in. The British public are pretty apathetic to the tales of doom & gloom coming from all sides about the other sides & as such are letting them sling their own muck at each other. :rolleyes:

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I have many times ignored the British tick box and writen English in the other box :D

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I probably am. Maybe a time will come when we can all live together as just 'people', provided the muslims will let us!

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I was not thinking about the response.. just making a point that the Tories shadow cabinet obviously believed the figure of 54%.. if they are so easily duped then what sort of basis will they make the cuts they are hell bent on?.. seems to me they are out of touch and rely on whatever the papers say.

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Of course a cynic looking at a post like this would say, "Think yourself lucky your problem seems to be Muslims & not Jews"!

Why would such a person say that? Because the Muslim might let you live here, but the Jew would only rent you the space!

I am so glad that I don't share your prejudices. For someone that claims to live in 'the real world', you seem to be taking your time realising, we now live in and for ever will be a mixed race society, do try to come to terms with it or we might start to think your reality is different to ours!
:)

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Well neil when the 2011 census comes through your door you wont have to bother about writing english in the other box ... it gives you the choice of British, English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish or other... :D

2009 Rehearsal questionnaire: Office for National Statistics

We do not anticipate making major changes to the questionnaire content after the rehearsal. The questions to be included in the full census in 2011 will be put before Parliament in 2010.

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I have read that the next census will be the last because by the time the one after is due they reckon that the info will be recorded on various government databases and be constantly updated.

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I think that you already know on what sort of basis they will make the cuts ... they will make them on the basis of class. The poor and the workers will take it up the ass ... the only ones to benefit will be those living in the gin and jaguar belt. "It's the same the whole world over, it's the poor what gets the blame .... "

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Doesn't take much to rattle your cage, Less. I am lead to believe that we still live in a free country, hence I am just as entitled to my own opinion as you are to yours. Take a good look at the town. It bears no resemblance to the Accrington of three generations ago, though some may be grateful for that alone. I single out the muslims for criticism because I feel that they seem to be given priority over all other sections of the population by successive and worthless councils that think only of votes - with scant regard given to those who cast them.

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Where does it say in 'your' free country that Less's cage must not be rattled? If you can show your prejudice against Muslims in a thread about Teenage Tory baiting, then surely I can point out why I think you're opinion is bigoted, Can't I?
:confused:

As for the rest of the post utter bullshine! You single out Muslims because you consider them to be an easy target, not because you have given any intellectual thought to the subject.
:)

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You're quite right, Less. Great Britain has long since become a mixed-race society but the irritation set in with the indiginous populace when the PC Brigade started discriminating towards everyone that came a-knocking for fear of being labelled 'racist'. This has now left us with a society that will bow to pressure from anyone who flashes the racism card and it seems obvious to me why such groups as the BNP are getting a foothold.

I'm not criticising or defending anyone but for all the money that is spent on trying to integrate the people of this country with each other and treat ethnics no differently it is particularly true of the Muslims that many class themselves as being another nationality, whether they were born here or not. You can't have it both ways and yet it is the people who adopt this stance and then play the racism card that gets the country's back up.

As I said recently, there really should be no talk of 'the Asian community' or 'the English/white community' as that in itself implies discrimination, positive or otherwise. For every group that gets discriminated towards, another group by definition is being discriminated against.

Political correctness has stunted so many common sense decisions that we are now in a country with millions of harmless people who are too scared too help each other out or open their mouth for fear of somebody being 'offended'.

One genius decision I heard about recently involved a little girl from a Preston drama group being told she must walk home alone in the dark because no one was CRB checked. Fortunately, a friend of mine 'rebelled' and drove her home but 20 years ago that situation would have been unthinkable where I grew up.

I'm not advocating racism in any way but we need to take a good hard look at who the bigots really are in a lot of the situations we hear about. Racism, again by definition, works both ways.

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great post ken n so very true.;)

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Couldn't have put it better myself, Ken. It seems to me that every time anyone criticises or makes a comment in good faith about certain sections of the community at large, they are accused of being racist. If being critical of the bend over backwards stance of our political elite is being seen as racist, then I can only agree to disagree.

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Kens post makes sense but I don't believe all this talk of the "PC brigade"...if such a brigade exsist then I havent seen them on this forum.. this forum is in the public domain and anyone can read posts.. so when people complian they cannot say "black" or critisize muslims they are talking rubbish.. because they can and do.. so whats the problem?

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this talk of P.C. brigade is just a buzz word as they call it these days fer the knobheads that have ballsed society up.

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Couldn't have put that better myself, either.

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I cite examples of PC Brigade stupidity probably far too often but it's quite near the top of my list of things that get me wound up. I've only ever met one or two of these do-gooders myself but I generally don't have a lot of time for them because they're almost always trying to interfere in things that they have no first-hand experience of.

I find it fascinating how many of the urban middle class make the rules that working class and rural folk have to abide by. One of my businesses is in landscaping and systems which have worked perfectly well for years are now deemed unsafe by health and safety officials who can't even tell the difference between a tractor and a digger. It's funny that in order for them to view certain machinery and chemicals as 'safe' it costs us a lot more money too. I am bound by law to have a 'no smoking' sign in the cab of each work van even though none of us smoke.

I'm not saying anyone on here is from 'the Brigade' but, as Stumped implied, every time anyone mentions the words 'Muslim' or 'black' there's an awful lot of looking over your shoulder first for even the most innoculous of remarks.

Gollywogs, blackboards, Christmas - we'll soon be having these bleeped out on television programmes the way things are going. Is it any wonder people are getting fed up of feeling like a stranger in their own country for being labelled 'racist' over things which have been part of our culture for generations?

The elections in May will be interesting to say the least because they are the only voice that the public has left. The main parties could do worse than actually listen to what the populace is telling them because people are not voting BNP and UKIP for no reason.

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That is a very strange comment to make from someone in your position.

Here you are stood side by side with Graham Jones in the Telegraph

And as it says on Grahams Blog you are standing as a Councillor in Rishton for the Labour Party that you say "could do worse than actually listen to what the populace is telling them".

So why are you a member of the Labour Party if they are not listenening?

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Your derogatory posts of 'Chelsea tractors' for 4x4 drivers, and the numbers of 'Yuppies' shopping in Accrington, and now the 'urban middle classes', could be construed that you seem a little obsessed with class, and prejudiced against certain people in society.

Personally I wouldn't describe those that govern us as either urban, or middle class, especially when there are nearly as many public school educated toffs in New Labour, as there are in the shadow cabinet.

It's also amusing that you pigeon hole the 'working classes' and the 'rural folk' into two generic groups.

So £950/per hour Cherie Blair would be in the same catagory as a road sweeper, and the Lord of the Manor would be labelled the same as someone who worked on one of his estates in the country?

For someone who apparently is anti-political correctness, you seem quite keen to label people yourself, even when those labels make little sense.

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That's because Graham is a very passionate man about Hyndburn and I can't imagine a better candidate for the borough, frankly. He has and will continue to get my support as his personal beliefs about what is best for the region stem from actually living here and seeing first-hand the problems that need putting right. He has a very clear outline of the things he wants to push for and does not see concentrating all money in one ward as the best way forward.

If I suddenly decided that I would lobby vehemently for more litter bins in Rishton when people are actually screaming out for things like the leg clinic to be moved back to the surgery, a community centre and a decent bus shelter what sort of politician would I make if I was elected? Not a very long-term one, I suspect.

ALL parties need to listen to what the public are saying, that is their job. What Westminster and Whitehall decide will benefit the Home Counties may have little relevance in places like Hyndburn, Newcastle or Cumbria and this is where disillusionment sets in.

I know about Rishton and that is what I am standing up to represent. Racism is remarkably low on my list of things to tackle because it isn't a problem we come across very often in our town but certain other parts of the country are now finding it a major issue. It is for the representatives of those areas to listen to their voters and do what is best for them, not what is simply seen to be the politically correct thing to do.

Again, I am not advocating racism but if the public are getting up in arms about immigration to the point where extreme right parties are getting voted in and an appearance by Nick Griffin on a television programme that doesn't usually get enormous viewing figures ends up in that week's top ten then perhaps it's an issue worthy of attention.

For all wards and boroughs the vote should be for the person that will do the best job and not simply the badge they happen to be wearing. That will always be my standpoint and I will support Graham Jones because I firmly believe that he is good for Hyndburn.

I have been out there at least having a go at making things better for some time and I would like to think that I am the best candidate for Rishton by being the best man for the job. If the public don't think that I am then they won't vote for me and I won't have been doing the right things.

Whoever gets the most votes in any ward should base their tenure on listening to the people they represent and being the spokesperson for the feelings of their community rather than blindly following a uniform set of ideals. Just because I happen to be aligned with one particular party does not change the fact that people should always vote for the best candidate rather than the badge.

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I wonder what it is that you do for a living? I feel fairly certain that if I was in a position to start making decisions that forced you to change sensible, self-regulating working practices that you had used for years on the pretense of health and safety you would be pretty annoyed about it.

There are plenty of systems that work perfectly well in this country and have done for decades yet are breaking down because of interference. There is an old adage about this, I'm sure you've heard it.

I have seen plenty of your other posts and it seems that your method of trying to undermine someone revolves around targeting one word or phrase rather than the argument itself. People like yourself who get more worked up about labels than actually sorting problems out are exactly what this thread has turned towards.

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Hang on a second Mancie, ref my post 50, you may find the points therein made redundant, it looks like a political Ding Dong may be in the air. The old warhorse Rindy has joined the fray versus the new man Ken, this could well be worth following.

clean fight please boys, no punching below the belt. when the gong goes come out fighting, when the gong goes again back into your corners and wait for your seconds. :D :hesoff: :D

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This is all getting far too civilised. Could we get back off-topic, please?
:)

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'People like me'?

I thought you'd agreed in another thread it was wrong, and stupid, to judge a book by it's cover? Instead you've attached one of your little labels to myself now. Hilarious.

As for undermining you, all I know about you is from the relatively few posts you've made on here. A high percentage of which have been posts in which you've made sweeping generalisations about people, and labelled them.

As long as you continue to do this, because it's so easy to judge people wrongly, I will continue to 'undermine' you, or what's known in less hysterical terms as offering my opinion to the debate.

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I've been off line for two days and Mancie has made a storm in a tea cup over a misplaced decimal point, for Christ's sake don't go into politics full time Mancie you'll be contender for Prime Minister:D:D:p

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People who seem obsessed with not labelling groups in society for fear of being 'racist' or 'bigoted' when it is virtually impossible to have a reasoned debate about many topics without doing so.

Farmers generally work in rural areas so sooner or later the term 'rural area' is going to crop up in a debate over a rural issue, say foot and mouth disease. By association, so is a variation on the term 'rural folk' which isn't derogatory but separates the needs and views of those particular residents from someone who lives on the sixth floor of a tenement block in London. Decisions which affect farmers have been made by people who are not necessarily from that background and have not helped the industry but have been seen as the 'correct' thing to do. Again, I cite the rules on chemicals which have been used safely for years and yet are now 'dangerous' without the right certificate and have seen their prices rise astronomically, making them prohibitively expensive for people who need them to make a living. There is a huge amount of common sense in the algricultural and horticultural community which doesn't need new regulations to make things 'safe'.

Arguing the toss over terminology and wasting money on think tanks and committees to make sure that certain words could not be misconstrued by a small but vocal minority of the easily-offended is not the way forward.

The country is obsessed with pandering to minority groups, many of whom are not kicking up a fuss in the first place. I believe this was the point that Stumped raised in post #58.

I'll just put this to the forum as the epitome of PC Brigade conundrums: there is a Black Police Officer's Association and yet what would the reaction be if someone was to try and set up a White one? Is there a real subjective difference? Why is one racist and the other not?

If we all just got on with identifying and preventing actual real-life problems and fixing them in the simplest way rather than worrying over problems which don't exist we would probably have a better society.

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Perhaps sloppy handling of figures is a party issue.

Your little chum struggled with commas and decimal points, when he made this post, which changed millions into thousands.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/n...reply&p=691676

The Devil is in the detail.

;)

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these very same clowns that objected to backboards havnt yet said one word about whiteboards but the worying thing to me is that these stupid pillocks rules have crept into schools and i am forever having to undo these pillocks evil doings :rolleyes:

its a board and its black and if you are racialy upset by that then the world is going to prove to be a difficult place for you live in lol.

have they banned sooty yet and whats teh situation with black pudding :rolleyes:

is black magic still a chocolate treat or has david blaine objected to the term or somone on his behalf ?

Re: 54% of teenage girls have a child before 18.... According to the Tories
 

Always has been, but who was the devil:rolleyes:

Re: 54% of teenage girls have a child before 18.... According to the Tories
 

As well as the bigot that tries to stir things by playing on peoples, (often), unwarranted fears by making broad claims against a different group within society. I also dislike the people that go to the other extreme and in their simplistic view place a minority group on a pedestal thinking that making them a 'special case', will make 'these people' feel better.

Both these groups, are living within their own form of security bubble and are of no threat to the majority of society, but they are after all only a minor irritation.

What I really dislike is the type of people that are working for their own personal agenda's and manipulate the first two groups into an open disagreement so as to be able to take advantage of the situation resulting in an advancement of their own personal aims'.

This type of person is much, much rarer than those of the the first two groups however they are more likely to succeed because somehow although they offer nothing of real advantage to either of the first two groups they convince people they have only the best interest of others at heart.

These are the people that make life interesting and when they offer you their hand in friendship grasp it wholeheartedly they are going to take you on a ride of your life time but, when they give you your hand back count your fingers you may find they have kept the best digit for themselves!
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Re: 54% of teenage girls have a child before 18.... According to the Tories
 

First class post Less:mosher:

Re: 54% of teenage girls have a child before 18.... According to the Tories
 

White boards are referred to as 'wipe boards' last I heard.

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last time I heard a blackboard was a blackboard.. Christmas was Christmas.. a black man is a black man and a white man is a white man.. those who believe there is some sort of PC brigade are insecure idiots....black or white.

Re: 54% of teenage girls have a child before 18.... According to the Tories
 

You should really say ' less cerebrally gifted individuals'.

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So it is true an Ostrich sticks its head in the sand then Mancie:rolleyes:

Re: 54% of teenage girls have a child before 18.... According to the Tories
 

If you'll excuse me saying so, that's perhaps a bit of a closed-mind attitude. No one is trying to say that the PC Brigade are an actual band of people, it's an overall term for the ludicrous regulations and ideas that various groups come up with to say that names for innocuous things we've all grown up with are suddenly racist or prejudiced against certain people.

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Spot on Ken, and in most cases those people who are at the centre of the issue, don't have a problem with the satus quo in the first place, i.e muslims being offended my christmas, and wouldn't even think we should changed to Winter festival or the like on their behalf

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Bang on, Ken. One only has to refer to muslims in whatever vein and you are accused of being bigotted, racist or being tied to some obscure political agenda which apparently upsets all those who would have you hung, drawn and quartered for even thinking something that they disagree with.

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I believe,,, if you work in accy just look at the people wandering around. all are young girls with prams !

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Bang on Stumped, after all mentioning Muslims in a thread about teenage pregnancy, is most essential to the plot as you have rightly proved.

I still find it strange that your 'freedom of speech' which includes the unnecessary mention of such people does not allow for a difference of opinion to your own without you becoming some form of martyr, How many virgins are you hoping for in your after life? (Better get there quick according to the starter of this thread, thanks to the Tories, there are fewer and fewer of them as each day goes by).
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It's terrible.

You can't even call a dog Nigger nowadays.

Guy Gibson of the Dam Busters would be turning in his grave if he knew how terrible it is, not being allowed to use good old fashioned names.

Re: 54% of teenage girls have a child before 18.... According to the Tories
 

Well you would not want to upset your dog would you?

Re: 54% of teenage girls have a child before 18.... According to the Tories
 

I doubt that there is anything within the bounds of present day society that is worth martyring oneself for. As a people, we have sunk so far below what were once termed 'normal' standards of decency, that sensible advice from any quarter can only be welcome. Maybe there is something to be said for Shariah law after all - perhaps the stoning of adulterers in front of the market hall on Sunday mornings!!!