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so if banks can simply refuse to exchange them how much money do you think collectivly could be lost on a banks whim ?

surely banks shoudl be force to exchange them shoudl you find yourself in possesion of a discontinued £20 note ,i found about eight £1 notes many years after they were discontinued and teh bank took them no problem so whats changed ?

it just seems to me a very good way for the bank of england or whatever to keep hold of a few quid by making some poor sods money worthless and unredeemable unless they actualy send them to teh bank of england its self

there are many ways you can find yourself with discontinued notes after teh date of change passes and not to redeem them with as little fuss as possible is unnaceptable in my opinion

also who teh hell is Edward Elgar the only person i know from any given note by sight is the queen i couldnt say just by looking who teh others are lol

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It's a cracking excuse for the next few months, though: "Just look at that, love, you've got an Edward Elgar in your purse. Tell you what, I'll take it down the pub and get rid of it for you. No, no, no...don't thank me, I'm doing it for US" ;)

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I dont see them that often .. only normally in spugs wallet .. so it wont bother me!!! :D:D:D

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Well advertised isn't it :(

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They're probably referring to Sir Edward (William) Elgar 1857-1934. famous for his Enigma Variations, but probably more renown for his Patriotic "Pomp & Circumstances Marches" (think last night of the Proms) all jolly British & stiff upper lip stuff. But probably banned now by some swipe in an office as we'll bloody well upset someones, sensibilities somewhere across the known World.

Rule Brittania, but not round here though ! Probably still safe in the Falklands :D

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thing is how many times do we need to change the dman look of our currency , with each mew note its begining to look more and more like those damn euros

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Isn't that what your man Brown wants ? wasn't that Blairs stated aim ? and the dark Lord Mandelson, is he not right up the crack of Europe reassuring the bleater's about UK's tardiness in joining the fraternity fully ? The "United States of Socialist Europe", because once all the doors are shut & there are no bolt holes to hide in, what do you think will happen to our Independence & Sovereignty then ?

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This evening, the pound closed at 1.10 euro. It is not implausible that we will see parity within a few weeks. I don't suppose then it will matter what new notes are printed; all Brown and his chums will do will be to peg the rate at 1:1, let the Euro take over and shift blame for all our economic woes on the Common Market.

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yet aother case of the govenment sneaking things past us because they know if asked the majority of people will reject it.

im begining to think it would be worth suffering a tory govenment just to get rid of mandleson he is an evil minded crook yet his career just wont die its liek hes teh living dead hell bent on teh destruction of our rights and liberty.Hes even trying to pass laws that insist our internet providers log every keystroke we make on te internet and what content we look at

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Well, the electorate voted him in...oh hang on a minute, they didn't, did they? So much for the Labour Party's commitment to democracy! :rolleyes:

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:D..Oh how we tend to forget the past... perhaps we should re- join the ERM ..Thatcher and Lamont's doing... the closest this country has ever been to joining the Euro! :D

Chancellor Norman Lamont raised interest rates from 10% to 12%, then to 15%, and authorised the spending of billions of pounds to buy up the sterling being frantically sold on the currency markets.

BBC ON THIS DAY | 16 | 1992: UK crashes out of ERM

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I Think you are all being a little unfair on this subject,How long do you think it takes to change your old £20 to the new ones.:rolleyes:

In my case it took a short time,but then I didn't have thousands stashed away or is it millions.:rolleyes:

In any case the deposit boxes are now or shortly will be empty and the lumps in the mattress will have disappeared.:mosher:

In Spain when they changed to the Euro there was that much dodgy money about no one knew what to do with it but they coped.:theband:

Is it four years? Can't be far off. You can call me septic if you like but I know what's what.:D:D

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Aye, we do forget the past . I seem to recall it was Lawson who began the policy (unbeknown to Thatcher) of shadowing the Mark back in 1988 or thereabouts; formal entry into the ERM did not occur until late 1990 and within a few weeks Thatcher was kicked out by her own people and it was nowt to do with ERM membership. The Black Wednesday debacle was not until 1993, by which time it was Major and Lamont running the show. Despite their incompetance, it was probably the best thing to happen to the British economy.

The billions spent by Lamont is, of course, total chickensh*t compared to the hundreds of billions which have now been peed away by Brown, Darling and the rest of this diabolical crew, not forgetting the 200billion they have just printed off through 'Quantitive Easing'. God alone knows what effect this will have on inflation once its worked it's way through the system. You can shortly say goodbye to the UK's triple 'A' rating, interest rates will be through the roof and if any of you have any sense, you'll emigrate before the UK ends up a third world country.

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Entry into the ERM did happened in the leadership of your glory days of Thatcher and her so called anti european cabinet.. all this from a tory government that mashed up the economy of this country within 3 years of a recovery that should have lasted for 30 years from oil revenue.
That day (black wednesday) was the bleakest in any economic downfall of Britian.. and to defend those who brought that downfall is a disgrace.. but then you are a ******.

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If you Tippex a wig on old Eddie, no one will be able to tell the difference.

;)

:D

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Whatever woeful state the exchange rate happens to be in at any one time, it's a brave government that scraps the pound.

With the economy in tatters and likely to remain unhealthy for a few years now, changing the currency of Great Britain would be suicide for us all. The hidden price hikes during the confusion when we went decimal were bad enough, can you imagine how it would be today?

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But they still didn't leave the tip that our economy is in today £1 trillion in debt and counting:rolleyes:

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It would have been far cheaper to give everyone in the country £5,000 if they wanted money injecting into the economy quickly.

I alone would have spent that within a few weeks on some desperately-needed repairs to my house and helped a few small businesses in doing so.

I wouldn't have taken 25% as a bonus, either.

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i woulda spent £5000 on a baracade across the channel tunnel

that woulda saved the uk billions :D

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The Royal Mint have been wrongly accused by accyman, they don't print banknotes. The Bank of England are responsible for printing our paper currency.

From their website:
The Bank of England will always exchange its old notes. Notes may be presented for payment either in person or sent by post (at the sender's risk) to: Dept NEX, Bank of England, Threadneedle Street, London EC2R 8AH.

If you want more info: Bank of England | Banknotes | Withdrawal of the Elgar £20 Note - 30 June 2010

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They didn't leave this country in the tip our economy is is now?..those 19 years were the worst economic and social torment Britian has suffered since World War 2...in reality this country was bankrupt by the farce of the ERM.. and I'll say it again when Thatcher joined the ERM it was the closest we have come to joining a single European currency...all this chat about the Tories being better at running the economy or more astute regarding currency is rubbish.. history shows it to be rubbish.

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Mancie is so right, It will take prudence Gordon and Comical Ali darling at least 30 years to sort out the mess made by Thatcher and her cronies.

They have only had 12 so far...........


or am I a ****** too?????

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I wouldn't worry too much about Mancie...his knowledge of simple economics is even less than his knowledge of recent British history. For instance, he seems to know nothing whatsoever of the pound's devaluatins under Atlee and Wilson's labour governments - both at the time, far more traumatic than Black Wednesday and he seems to ignore the simple fact that in 1979, Callaghan's socialist government was rejected because the UK economy was in such a mess that people could not even bury their dead. We really were the sick man of Europe.

Still, a website such as this does need people like Mancie. He gives good comic value and I like him for that.

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the "winter of discontent" and all that went with it was a disaster and I'd put the blame on the then Labour Government .. I don't pick n choose .. the argument I put up is when some posters on here try to give the impression that under previous Tory governments the economy and the strengh of the pound was all lovely jubbly.. it was not.. and seeing as some have stated this Government are slipping towards joining the Euro, I'll say it again for you thicko's.. the ERM which the Tories joined was the closest this country has ever been to joining a European currency.

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the only ******* on here are those that try to make out that the present recession is any different from all those we had under the Tories..swings and roundabouts come to mind... but for the 19yrs the tories were in power most of us were on the slide. :rolleyes:

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Anybody know why they are being discontinued?

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They're constantly looking at newer ways of making it harder for people to forge notes. I don't have one of each to hand but I think there's a holographic badge on the new £20 in addition to the watermark and foil strip from the old one.

They've been around for ages and it surprises me that they haven't done the same with the £10 note. I've not seen a crisp fiver in ages either, time for the coin to be properly introduced methinks.

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Perhaps they're hoping that having the author of The Wealth of Nations on them, will make them worth more than twenty quid.

:D

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You could even keep them, how uch is the white fiver worth now;)

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Think in Mancie's case Tealeaf its called selective amnesia:rolleyes:

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Even with the Hologram thing the forgers are still managing to produce a decent forgery. Quite often see it in the papers over here, usually 20's & 50's, as they seem to raise less eyebrows when bandied about in payment.

They reckon it's highly qualified criminal gangs mainly Eastern Europeans, working in conjunction with other criminal groups & they're not above people smuggling, prostitution rackets & Drugs. Makes for some pretty grim reading.

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gold is faked too
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article14996.html
extract-
Roughly 15 years ago – during the Clinton Administration [think Robert Rubin, Sir Alan Greenspan and Lawrence Summers] – between 1.3 and 1.5 million 400 oz tungsten blanks were allegedly manufactured by a very high-end, sophisticated refiner in the USA [more than 16 Thousand metric tonnes]. Subsequently, 640,000 of these tungsten blanks received their gold plating and WERE shipped to Ft. Knox and remain there to this day. I know folks who have copies of the original shipping docs with dates and exact weights of “tungsten” bars shipped to Ft. Knox.

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As an update to my last post, I have found this -
Russia Says IMF Chief Jailed For Discovering All US Gold Is Gone | Pakalert Press

which ties in with what has happened to two prominent financial persons recently;)

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Margaret..
On this website this is announced:

The link connects to the Daily Mail, well we all trust that and after some searching on the President Of Russia's website and the Prime Minister of Russia's website, I found Mr Putin said this:
Slightly different.......
No mention of the FSB report that is mentioned here:
Still why let the truth get in the way of a good conspiracy:rolleyes:

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Of course you are right - The Daily Mail, and politicians in general, never tell porkies:rolleyes:

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Now as to this posted by Margaret:
Apart from Conspiracy websites I can find little regarding this, It is possible of course, but if the US Government is going to go all that trouble then casting gold over the top of a Tungsten slug would be more fool proof, as the 'gold' would then have the same weight, texture, and pass a x-ray fluorescence scan. A 1/16" layer would be sufficent. Gold plating would not work.

So I am not saying it is not true, merely there is very little,if any proof, just speculation.:confused:

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Margaret, The website you gave referenced the Daily Mail, not me, and we all know how true it is.
It goes on to say Well there is no mention of this on ANY official Russian Government website, even though, YOUR truthful website states there is one.

Sorry but it does not add up

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Motto - we will never know the whole truth so being sceptical is logical.

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Margaret,
Well that's a bit lame, sorry but you like to tell me and others that we are wrong and then when we debunk you you say that. There is being sceptical and believing conspiracy websites over facts and proof, have they landed on the Moon yet?

You could say it's a cop out.

Must remember next time I go to work to check the Chemtrail, equipment on my Aircraft....
Still waiting for the Banks to crash and the Amero's to come in.....

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I hope that my presentation of the alternatives to what you are told to believe, at least gives you the desire to explore those alternatives, and decide for yourself.
What conclusions you come to should not be rigid, but should be subject to modification in the light of new info.

To illustrate this I now say 'yes we did go the moon'
BUT - the tv footage of it was fabricated :D

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Well if it was fabricated, there are quite a few thousand people who have been trusted with the real truth for over 40 years now. If it was a scam can you see everybody who was involved in it keeping quiet and not cashing in, no neither can I :rolleyes::D

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Do not underestimate any government's capacity to supress the truth.
Upsetting their 'applecarts' has disatrous consequences for those who try.

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I hear what your saying Margaret and to a point your right but to supress so many people that were involved in the moon project would, with human nature being what it is, been totally imposible

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Forgetting the simple fact that USSR and China were waiting for the USA to mess up the Moon landings and therefore would broadcast this to the entire world.

The only evidence I have ever seen that we did not go or the TV was faked, was on some websites and in a few books with questionable 'evidence'.

However on the other side, I have seen first hand a Saturn V, various artefact from the Apollo program and even met, talked to and had my photo taken with Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon.

I still wait to see any real evidence that man did not land on the moon and that the TV was faked

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I may be wrong here, but would it not be easy to point the hubble telescope and the landing sites and then say look there are the bits that we left behind or there they aint. Thus ending the debate forever?????:confused::confused::confused::confuse d:

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HubbleSite - Reference Desk - FAQs

Of course you could say that all the evidence that man landed on the Moon is there, it is up to the conspiracy folks to prove we did not.:D:D:D

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Good idea.. they could do the same with the Man City trophy room..:D

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Oi. Now i know why Jaysay went off you......:D:D:D:D

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Alan it was much more fundamental than that:D

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Now it appears that Dominique Strauss-Kahn was 'set up' or 'entrapped'.
That doesn't bother me, because the indications are that he had a murky past of abusing women, so he 'had it coming'.

What still intrigues me is why, and why now - could it be that the russian assessment of the reason (he was about to reveal 'no gold in Fort Knox') might be true?

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Take it with a pinch of salt Margaret, its just a conspiracy;)

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I was under the impression that my posts from #34 had put this to bed. Oh well better look at the hollow moon theory instead

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Don't forget the flat earth society too BG:D

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Just to further the argument. :)

BBC News - Probe pictures Moon landing sites