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BBC News - All dogs could be insured under dangerous breeds plans
The government are to introduce a consultation paper on dangerous animals
The main points, all dogs should be chipped (which I agree with) all dogs should be insured against their dog attacking people (not to sure about this) increasing the number of dogs on the dangerous dogs list ( if the dogs are dangerous they should be listed) what are your thoughts

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Chipped?

What about the dog's human rights?

:D

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i think they should bring back dog licenses

there wouldn't be as many dogs in the wrong hands then because people will think wice about buying them if they have to pay for a license

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People drive cars without insurance and a licence, don't think these people will be dashing to get a dog licence

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but the people who drive cars without insurance are being clamped down on John

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Will it be cheaper for a black and white dog licence?

:rolleyes::D

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lol ya daft sod

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Note if its one of these:D

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It's precisely what I've been thinking for some time. Not only has the recession seen hundreds more dogs abandoned in the past 12 months but it might deter those who buy animals on a whim without much thought. I'm all in favour of it and I'd like to see it pretty steep to just make people think a bit more.

It might also reduce the number of freshly-baked turds that we have to avoid on our pavements. A pox on all dog owners who don't clean up after their pets!

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If it results in fewer dogs in towns, I am all for it.
Dogs attacking other dogs happens almost daily in summer on the field next to my place.
Some people bring PACKS of 4 and 6 - for their 'ablutions'.
That level of ownership must be for profitable breeding purposes and should be restricted to rural areas. I would hate to live next door to 6 dogs.

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Why do they bring their dogs to a field near you to wash them?

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You know what I mean:rolleyes:
When it comes to grooming dogs - one chap brings two white shaggy dogs weekly and spends an hour brushing them. He leaves a large patch of white hairs next to the road - not a health hazard but can be a wind blown nuisance sometimes.

How much would you pay to own a dog ?
 

The government is looking for ways to control vicious dog attacks by asking their owners to insure for third party damage as well as chipping the dogs, this could cost in excess of £100 is a dog worth it. I think not! I expect the R.S.P.C.A. are quaking in their boots. Discuss good idea or not? regards all Old Saintonian !!!!!!!

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Its a good idea and I have explained my feelings before on here.

All dogs should be chipped and have DNA taken.
Any dog mess on the street should be tested and the owners fined.
Any dog bites could have the dog saliva tested and the dogs owners fined and the dog put to sleep

Any un chipped dogs detected after a certain date should be put to sleep.

It might sound a little harsh but I am interested in the well being of humans over dogs.

All chipping, testing and possible insuring should of course be at the dog owners expense.

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The old dog licence was 37 1/2p every year .. can remember having to go and buy it at the post office when we had ours.

Now i can see the good and the bad in this ..

Good: Dogs will be chipped so if it ran away then it would be able to be returned to its owners if found and wouldnt get any more i've lost my dog etc .. If a dog attacked someone in the street they'd be able to find its owners if they've managed to catch it etc and take them to court for keeping a dangerous dog. Insurance for the same reasons as the last sentence.

Bad: How many dogs will be chucked out of their owners cars on the bypass or motorway because they cant afford to chip them or pay for insurance? Thus being a very big hindrance to farmers who may have sheep or cows in a field especially at lambing season. For the pensioners who may have a little dog to keep them company who might only go out twice a day for a walk round the block... they might not be able to afford the cost of the insurance .. they can afford dog food .. they might have it chipped but the cost of insurance may be just too much for them.

Then theres always one lot who will keep their dogs ... not insure them not have them chipped or pay a licence fee .. and theyre the ones who's dogs cause trouble as they've not trained them properly.

Think the RSPCA, PDSA and Bleakholt will definately be quaking in their boots round here .. as we arent that far from manchester .. and people bringing and dumping their dogs around here as it isnt that far just 30 miles down the motorway ...

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Quite agree shillelagh - I just have one question, will insurance stop dogs from attacking people or other dogs?

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The answer to that is no

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Our Dog is chipped & every year we pay Dog tax, €78,00. For us it's not really a problem she's a Belgian shepherd & is not on the dangerous Dog list (they have them here too, but strangely enough German Shepherds, Rottweilers & Dobermans, are not on it, considering these are the main kind of dogs used for security/watch so by definition aggressive). But for a pensioner on a limited income perhaps, who has a small terrier or some such for company or as security this seems a bit unfair.

Also the varying States/Counties have their own regional regulations, 15km from us all dogs in public over a certain height & weight must be on a lead regardless of Breed or temperament, further to that the Dogs on the list in public must be insured, muzzled, chipped & their owners to have taken & passed a handlers course to show they are capable enough to own these Dogs.

All this came about round 2003 ish, after some pretty bad attacks from Dogs, not all of which I hasten to add were dangerous Dogs as on the list, some where family pets who one day just turned, but the rise of "Chav-like" individuals & all the associated problems including vicious Staffies, Pit Bulls etc. gave rise to the imposition of these rules. It initially caused a major furore, which has died down greatly but is still in place but not so mindlessly applied by the local authorities & their forces.

As stated we have a Belgian Shepherd, a "Malinois" smooth coated & short haired the other two Groenendael & Tervueren, long haired & thick coated are seldom enough sites here in Germany that people are always curious as to the Breed, mainly because the only other people who have them in numbers are the GCP & DZ (Police & Customs), who use them as sniffers for Arms, explosives, drugs & bodies. Quite amusing when a Police boat cuts across the canal to pull up & ask you about your Dog !

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Responsible dog owners will always do the right thing...clean up their dog mess, walk their dog on the lead in public places, ensure their dog is under control.
Irresponsible owners will not do these things and whatever laws are passed will be unenforcible.
The Dangerous Dogs Act has been on the statute books for 20 years...has it made a lot of difference?

Dogs in themselves are not bad...it is the owners who are bad.
I can see many elderly folk having to get rid of their animals because they won't be able to afford the extra expense.

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I think it's a load of rubbish only responsible dog owners will do it the irresponsible ones probably won't and the cost could be prohibitive for some pensioners who have the dog for company and who would check if owners had insured and chipped their dogs

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Margaret i once owned 5 but i most cetainly didnt own them for breeding and earning a living out of them,yes i showed and i bred from breed standard health tested bitches but only two of them.what it cost me in having a litter i was lucky to break even on two occasions.
I have my dogs chipped.tattooed and are insured,chipped because if i was to loose one i know if found its easier to reunite with me,tattooed same reason but more so if found by some unsavourly characture.mine are all insured for health reasons alongside 3rd party god forbid one of mine would attack but i consider myself a responsible dog owner so if the unthinkable ever did happen im insured.im not sure about how this law if brought in will be policed im all in favour of any laws that stop the mass breeding of dangerous dogs or bull breeds but im also in favour of any breeder having to have a licence to breed and the breeder will have to sit a interview as to why breed.I honestly wouldnt sell any of my puppies to just anyone and more so the hoodie brigade,all my new owners are vetted and i question them no end as to why they want one of my puppies,ive been known to take a deposit then refund it.Any law concerning dogs suits me because i will abide by it.i always had a licence which i think my last one was about 35p.

The dangerous dogs act of 1991
The 4 dogs on the list of banned dogs under the dangerous dogs act of 1991, (amended 1997) are American Pit Bull Terriers, Dogo Argentinos, Fila Brazilieros and Japanese Tosas. none of which are UK breeds but why can't the same be said about Rottweilers and Staffordshire Bull Terriers? They are not banned, but they have a very bad reputation, especially with children, which hasn’t been helped by children being killed by some of these dogs.Rottie and staffie owners will argue that their dogs are soft and gentle most are but in the wrong hands any dog is a killer

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In the area of terraced houses where I live, every other household keeps a dog. During the summer months when they are all consigned to their various back-yards, it's like living next to the Battersea Dog's Home with continuous barking from the various pooches whose only exercise is a weekly trip to the local newsagent - if they are lucky. Come winter the back street is layered with dog dirt because some of the owners simply throw it from their back-yards because they are too damned idle to dispose of it hygienically. I align the problems associated with dog's to the owners and not the animals and the breeding of such, along with having kids, should only be allowed under strict licencing conditions.

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As ususal when there are problems with dogs, it's not the poor bloody dogs that are the problem.

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Maybe the Germans have the right idea. Rules based on weight sounds sensible. As does handlers courses and lead/muzzle laws.

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We are still talking about dogs?

You never know with the Germans.

:D

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Think that's spot on Rindi, bet some one is registering a company even now, anything for a fast buck:rolleyes:

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Come on sunshine where's that dangerous dog of yours:D:D:D:D:D

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Rinda ! When they're not out on World tours, pinching all the sunbeds & beating us at Footy, they have been known to come up with some reasonable inventions & ideas. :)

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I was referring to the mention about laws, rules, and standards, and hinting that anything that didn't meet those standards would be off on the train to concentrations camp...which were of course a British invention, first used in South Africa.

;):D

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if its a poodle kick it off

if its a rotweiler fake an orgasm

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Vile.

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you see what you want to see mate but everyone else sees kick ..

shoulda gone to spec savers :D

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Thanks accyman, you just reminded me, should have picked my new specks up yesterday........knew I'd find a use for you one day :rolleyes: :D

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I agree nasty little yapping gits:D

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Well it appears that for the time being anyway, this "suggestion" has been shelved ! Probably looking towards Taxing Evil Cats instead :eek:

Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: Labour forced into U-turn over 'dog tax'

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Yes Dave, but maybe it has given some dog owners food for thought, albeit only the good ones though eh ?

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its a load of crap,just another way to "Screw" money off folk, licence i can go with no problem, the rest is just money making garbage.:rolleyes: though seems many are too numb to see that.:rolleyes:

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"Dog's and Chips".. could be a good slogan for last orders down Accy! :D

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Mine is 16 years old this year, has her own passport, therefore she is chipped and gets all her shots every year which are recorded in her passport - cost, about £45 p.a. She weighs in at 4.6 Kilo. Don't really think she is a danger to anyone, even the postman pets her.

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Until one of your relations gets half their face bitten off by some untrained dog Cashy .. then you will have a change of opinion.

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Dogs can get grumpier as they get older and suffering more ailments as they get older .. so you never know. I know I am getting more 'outspoken' .. LOL.

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more crap, that will happen wether dogs or chipped/insured or whatever, paris was bitten n bleeding by one about 4/5 yrs ago, that is down to irrisponsible owners, not wether its sodding chipped or not.:rolleyes:

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I think we may reach a stage when they will be valuable as a food source.

:hidewall:

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Are we at cross purposes Cashy ? Was talking about dog owners taking out insurance to make sure anyone attacked by their dog would be able to afford treatment or recompense for the victim ?:confused:

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on a serious note I know of a couple of dogs that have done damage.. one was a Rott that jumped up and bit a bloke on the nose as soon as he walking in the room.. the other was a small dog who bit a teenage girl on her face.. no legal action taken because both incidents were within family/friends..one dog was destoryed by vets. it would have made no difference if the dogs had been chipped or any licence involved...but I suppose claims could have been made against the owners if a licence was compulsory.

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in that case, the answer lies in severe penalties fer owners of these dogs in my opinion kate. gaoled n made to pay simple as.

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Had an amazing experience last night Cashy ... was at Hillock Vale Community centre for a meeting, and they seem to have a 'dog club'. All the dogs do appear to be pedigree ... but is some sort of training for them? They were all well behaved. Gawd ... you should have seen that Great Dane :eek:.. then down to the Jack Russell pups. These are people who love and care for their dogs.

Sure this group is available to all ?

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some owners may be banged up but have no money to pay for the damage thier dog may have done... I'm thinking more physical than property..the owner gets ten years but some unlucky person gets scared for life?.. some sort of insurance could cover this..been said car insurance type.

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Way i see it kate,majority of dog owners are responsible people,Why should they be penalised fer the oiks/******* that are not?

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The thing is kate people who keep this type of dog don't give a stuff for the law and would get the insurance anyway it would be the responsible dog owners who would pay for nout, again:(

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Being a Dog owner I really can't agree with you on that & I personally find the idea of eating a Dog abhorrent. Although I know some cultures (East Asian) do eat Dog along with Cat. They see these animals in the same light as we see Cows & Pigs.

In the words of Rudyard Kipling "Oh, East is East, & West is West, & never the twain shall meet"

On this one I agree with the fella !

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I was served horse in a french hospital.
If food shortages became the norm, I think many would eat dog.
It sounds better than dying of starvation - in which case your dog would end up eating you:)

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All dogs are descendants of the Wolf, but if you look how wolf packs behave you will see a very well structured system, respect, discipline, social behaviour & family. This is from wild animals, but their society functions & flourishes, a natural harmony runs through a pack, without it they'd fail. Compare that with the society of man & then judge !

So coming back to our "Domesticated Wolves", if there are breakdowns in their behaviour patterns & an undue aggressiveness, is it really the fault of the animal, put a bad Alpha male / Female into the mix (Humans)? the pack leader who sets the examples ..... well ! As said often enough the Dogs aren't intrinsically bad, it is their owners that make Dogs what they are !

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Horse has been a staple in NW European countries for many years, in Osnabrück our nearest major City, there is still a Butcher who deals in Horse flesh & his business continues to do well due to frequent scares about Foot & Mouth, Swine Pest & BSE to name but a few.

As Westerners I think it would really have to be something apocalyptic before we were regularly, raising & butchering Dogs as a food stuff.

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Quite right Dave: In the supermarkets here there is always a section in the meat area for "cheval" (horse). I have also eaten horse meat sausages in Sardinia

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in some takeaways in accrington im pretty sure days ending in "Y" are classed as an apocalyptic event :eek:

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Put up a list so I'll know where to avoid when I visit :D

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I agree 100% I have a dog he is insured and chipped, and I am planning on getting a puppy and will do the same with him :)

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More children killed by family dogs this week! This carnage HAS TO STOP. When will people realise they can't trust dogs. I understand the latest parents have been charged but they will probably get off scot-free. Such negligence should be severely punished (and NO, losing the child may be devastating but it is not sufficient punishment). Murderers by proxy.

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I understand the horror when a child is attacked / killed by a family dog and cannot understand anyone having a dog is that has the potential to kill or maim anyone, especially the large breeds, anywhere near children. Having said that, we have a large bull terrier cross that came from a rehoming centre who's only ever shown gentleness in the three years we've had him but I would never have chosen a dog like him when my kids were young. But I think you are being very harsh in saying the loss of a child in these circumstances is not enough punishment, the parents must be mortified, I can't imagine anything worse on your conscience for the rest of your life.

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There are so many irresponsible dog owners.
No family dog should be left in the presence of a baby or young child.
Having dogs insured or chipped would not prevent such incidents as have happened recently.......these were not just irresponsible dog owners, but irresponsible parents too.

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I agree Margaret, and I think chipping and insuring dogs are, by and large, going to be done by responsible owners anyway. But there are a lot of idiots who get the so called 'status dogs' who live childish and irresponsible lives that shouldn't have the responsibility of children in the first place.

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Here Here Margaret I fully endorse what you said. We would not leave Max alone with any child although he loves children and plays a lot with our 8 year old Grandchild.A dog is after all an animal, capable of hurting of killing.

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I'm not sure if I agree with it or not.
Will folk keep their details upto date if they charge for updating info? Maybe some, but a lot won't bother (the scallywags of Accy certainly won't,that's if they bother to chip them in the first place).
Then there's the issue of tumours.....I'm not sure on exact facts an figures are but I won't put my dog at risk.
Here is a link for those that like a read ;)
CHIPPED PETS DEVELOP FAST-GROWING, LETHAL TUMORS

On top of that there's policing it.I think that's going to be difficult to say the least,our government does like to do things on the cheap after all :rolleyes:
Is it not the 'law' that dogs are suppose to have collars with contact info on? How many folk listen to that 'law'?
Will there be a exemption in the 'law' for dogs unsuitable to be chipped?

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That is a worrying thought. We have always had our dogs microchipped, and lost our last two dogs in middle age due to tumours.

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I would risk an increase in canine cancer if it helps prevent children being savaged to death by uncontrolled dogs.

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I dont see your point. If a dog has cancer they could be unpredictable. There will always be certain people who will not chip their dogs There is no easy solution to tracing ownership of dogs unless they tattoo the dogs at birth

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My point is a child's life must have priority over that of any pets.

I do understand how this could seem harsh we all consider our animals as part of the family.

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I totally agree with that.

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A Bulldog wearing lippy & with a fouled anchor tattoo on its shoulder? Seen a few of them wandering round the metropolis late on of a Friday/Saturday night! :eek:

Nah! Seriously though, the first dog we had was tattooed with a number inside his ear. We got him from the Dogs home late 80's. This apparently was standard in Germany prior to developing a chipping process & I'd say the rules & regs over here are far more stringent than in UK, it's very rare you'll find a Hound out & about without their human.

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How exactly does chipping your dog prevent children being savaged (to death) by uncontrolled dogs?
The Dangerous Dogs Act was a law introduced in 1991 following a spate of attacks by aggressive or uncontrollable dogs.Recent headlines suggest it's not working though.

(Take a deep breath,I'm not having a go) ;)

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In itself it doesn't, however in conjunction with making owners responsible for their dogs, then hopefully if this and other rules for dog ownership are toughened up then maybe, just maybe, the number of irresponsible owners will reduced thus reducing the number of sad headlines we see in the papers.
Of course even if all dog owners were responsible there would still be occasional attacks even a normally good, well treated dog can suddenly turn.

As for the act, unlike the dogs, it has no teeth, it can't even nip at the problem.

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The dangerous dog act is a worthless knee jerk piece of legislation brought about in response to public outcry! All dogs have the potential to be dangerous it's in their nature, but the influence of the owner can reduce or increase these responses.

The act itself covers; Pit Bull Terrier, Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino, Fila Braziliero & cross-breed derivatives, yet many bites & attacks are the result of the family pet which isn't one of those listed above. I know this from personal experience because in the last couple of years I've had the pleasure of being nipped by a Rotty in the calf (drawing blood), had my left hand punctured between thumb & forefinger by a terrier cross ( lots of blood & a trip to A&E) & the most recent, only this Tuesday just I had the hem of my right trouser leg savaged by some hairy Russel type rat! (Highly embarrassing but no blood). Like I said all of these incidents involved dogs not listed, but their actions could & should class them as dangerous.

Police & Military use Doberman Pinchers, German Shepherds, Rottweilers & Belgian shepherds, as various attack, guard or war dogs so surely these must be deemed more aggressive & as such dangerous but they aren't! Which reinforces my personal view that the governments hasty policy was more in response to outraged screaming than to an actual thought out preventative policy.

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I know,I was having the crack :D
Maybe the powers that be should penalise those irresponsible owners rather than everyone though (it's a bit like having a motor). They hit responsible owners but those that disregard the law carry on taking the pish while we're left to foot the bill.
The way this country's going it's only a matter of time before humans are chipped (except immigrants and those how disregard the law) :).
I can see some benefits from chipping ,for example I paid £450 for my dog an a extra £20+ would be a good investment if I had it stolen,they removed the collar then it was later found,but to put it at risk of cancer on the off chance....Not in this lifetime.

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:eek: are you a postman by any chance? ;)

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I think the worse thing that happened was when they stopped dog licence being mandatory, all dogs should be licensed, it should include a tag that must be worn whenever the animal is in public and cost enough to pay for any associated checks that may be needed.
It's up to responsible owners to show that they are willing to assist in preventing the bad from even thinking of owning a dog.

Don't talk silly immigration has nothing to do with this.

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Not quite! Delivery driver for drinks, animal feed & general horsey-farmyard supplies, so I gets about a bit & most places tend to have free roaming hounds. :) :dogrun:

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Not sure I can trust a website that is against human chipping, they are a little bias. I will have a look around the web when I have more time.

Yes it is law that dogs in a public place have a collar with a tag stating the owners name and address. Putting your mobile number on is a good idea as well but not the law.

The problem with dog law is who is supposed to uphold it. Some bits are the Police and some bit the Local Authority. Last Police Officer I was talking to did not appear to understand the dangerous dogs act and the Police are quite poor at enforcing it.

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I see you have a natural affinity with dogs Dave, they must really love you. Do you have the same effect on cats?

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A couple of years ago I was looking for information on dog law and found it quite difficult so pieced together a document on dog law. Here are a couple of bits from it.


At the time Hyndburn Borough Council had no useful information on there website and the dog warden at the time, we have a new one now, wasn't aware of some of the above.

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Don't have a problem with Pussies! :s_aim1: They usually just run off! http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/ha...y-emoticon.gif

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About ten or eleven years ago a rottweiler went on the rampage around the Thwaites Rd area in West End, Ossy. It attacked several dogs including a friends scotty dog, which was terribly injured and had to be put to sleep. It also attacked a little jack Russell that was on a chain in someone's back garden, and finally bit someone who was walking her dogs. She escaped worse injury because one of her dogs set on it and it ran off. The dog was caught and eventually put down, I never found out who owned the dog although I think the owners were found. It was reported in the Observer at the time. But, chipped or not, it wouldn't have made any difference to the damage that dog caused because the animal was out on its own, obviously disturbed and dangerous. Why anyone would want to keep a dog like that in a domestic situation is beyond me. Personally though, as a dog owner, I think chipping is a good idea if only that you have a better chance of being reunited with it if it ever runs off.

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The debate will rumble on about what is and what isn't a dangerous dog. The French seem to have the controls and regulations set about right though.
The owners of what they call a Category 2 dog must attend a compusory aptitude course and produce vetinary certs as to the dogs behaviour


Dangerous Dogs: Owning Attack and Guard Dogs | AngloINFO France

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I wholly agree, but the chipping of pets is most likely to be done by responsible owners and is unlikely to have any impact on the likes of the children who have recently been savaged by family pets.
Responsible owners would take the utmost care to ensure their dog was not left unsupervised with a small child or a baby.
Irresponsible owners will not have their pets chipped or insured.
who is going to police the enforcemnet of the legislation if it comes to pass?
It will be like the use of moble phones while driving......it is illegal but many people do it and get away with it.

Re: Good or Bad News - All Dog's To Be Chipped/Insured
 

I think some parents need chip and insuring.

Re: Good or Bad News - All Dog's To Be Chipped/Insured
 

Carful what you wish for (it won't be far off) :eek:

Good or Bad News - All Dog's To Be Chipped/Insured
 

What is a Carful?
Could it be a 4x4 second hand of course, filled with a score of illegal immigrants passing through border control with no worries?

Or a typo?

Either way, who cares?

Re: Good or Bad News - All Dog's To Be Chipped/Insured
 

*I've really missed your input less*....



* may contain sarcasm ;)

Re: Good or Bad News - All Dog's To Be Chipped/Insured
 

The only lesson some parents may take heed of, Is to stop the "Family Allowance":rolleyes: