Sick and fed up!
 

I am sick and fed up of hearing/reading it!

“Lessons will be learned!”

Time and time again we get this when it means nothing, things do not change.

Yobs slaughter the disabled and aged, kids beaten to death or staved!

Jon Venables “rehabilitated” and released with a new I D but what about the man who is thought to be him and persecuted for that ? Should he not be given a new I D?

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I totally agree, we've become an apologist society, where the victim comes second :(

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I have put a link up for you Webglynne so everybody knows what you are talking about .... :)

BBC News - Man mistaken for Bulger killer wants Venables named

David Calvert thinks that Jack Straw should 'stand up the real Venables', however, I think, at the moment, is best for Mr. Straw just to publicly state David Calvert is not the man.

Presume you are talking generally about young people harrassing the vulnerable; the story of David Askew had me in tears:

Teen charged in connection with David Askew death - Manchester Evening News

Not many details on this report but seemingly he had been the victim of taunting for years due to his mental disablement ... kids throwing stones at him, at the windows, nicknaming him 'Dopey Dave' .. even following him to the betting office as he regularly placed a 10p. bet, and the Manager had to ask him not to come in any more due to the disturbance the yobs caused.

The stories go on and on about this case ... heartbreaking.

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Just makes you wonder what this country has become over the years since we were in our teens kate, we have been failed by successive governments, who do not seem to have had the answers, Me thinks its time to turn the clock back and start again where kids respected their parents teachers and authority in general, now all we get is you can't touch me I've got rights. In my day you earned your rights as a kid not given them on a whim by dogooding muppets:mad:

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It isn't just the young, there are people of all ages that get away with what to ordinary people is disgusting, without thinking most of us go through life treating others in a way we hope they will behave towards us.

Unfortunately, we now have principles above what we can afford, too much sympathy for the person causing harm and nothing for the poor victim to help them over their Crisis.:(

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but jaysay .. teenagers today are your grandchildren or maybe great grandchildren .. the parents of the teenagers are your children .. now does this mean you didnt bring your kids up right to be the parents they are today ..

is the government of the day .. no matter who it is... responsible for the way you bring up your children ..

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I'm not too sure about this Less, maybe it is just a case of we hear of these types of cases more, and not the ones where victims have had the best of help and justice ?

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Sorry J' rather than pass the Buck to ineffectual Governments, after all, they are all basically useless, it is our generation that has let so many others down.

Our parent's were busy during the 40's & 50's living on nothing trying to restore the Country.

What have we done?

Wasted the lot and expect our children & their children to sort it out for us, what a wasted generation we are.

We could have done so much better.
:(

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It started with the young Less and as grown worse through the generations, now its a sickness which afflicts all of society. The place to put things right is before the youngsters get entrenched in their bad ways, but it will always be an upward battle, change for the better always is

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No trouble with my kids Jen even though they come from a split family, my Granddaughter is a credit to her mother, don't know about my two grandsons they're a bit to young and live abroad, but the eldest who's nearly 7 is doing great at school, but time will only tell

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No it started with the parents of the young, watch David Attenborough nature programmes, young monkey see, young monkey do.

Lead by example, don't blame others for our selfish mistakes.
:mad:

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As once said by a member of the Five Penny Piece,

:D

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I hear what your saying Less, and in a way I can agree, but I think government has to take some responsibility down the line, for letting things get as bad as it is today, after all its they who set out legislation on the way we have to live our lives

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but what about the stuff you dont hear about .. how do you know for certain that they theyre not up to mischief out of sight of their parents .. did you tell your parents everything you got up to .. did you hell as like .. you knew what would happen .. and when you were daddy ... werent you a bit easier on your kids than your parents were on you .. you werent as strict .. and thats what im getting at .. your kids probably arent as strict as you were on their parents .. just like you werent on your kids ..

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Just when I get a bit serious, I'm rolling on the floor again :rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Well mine are 42 and 41 and noughts come back to my doorstep Jen:rolleyes:

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Thank you katex.


I think there was a case in Lancaster years ago of a shop keeper being harrassed all the time with nothing happening.

"A booky banning a man for the actions of youths"? So no good calling the cops?

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But who let these successive Governments get away with it?

The mess was left with us all saying, let someone else sort it, now if MargeR is even 1% right, we are Doomed, Doomed I tell ye! It's no use blaming others, even by being passive, never mind blinkered, isn't it time we all stopped blaming other peoples 'yoof', and admitted we are the ones that cocked up, don't pass it on, take responsibility for all we've done.

Then maybe the next lot can sort it out because it's a problem, not, because the old farts didn't give them a chance.

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A very good point.

Parenting it learned from example, even if it means you do the opposite from your own parents.

I firmly believe our national psyche changed for the worse in the eighties. We began to care less about others in our society, and wanted what was best for us individually. The me, me, me generation.

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I actually worked in that shop WG many moons ago, it was a fortress even then, the owner was an Asian guy, nice bloke, but I think he eventually gave in and sold up

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It started long before the 80s Rindi, with the trendy lefty teachers in the late sixties early seventies, don't call me sir call me Jim, peace bothers and sisters, cool, sandals in class, corduroy trousers, polo neck sweaters, that was the start of the down turn

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It all started when people abdicated responsibility for anything.......actions stopped having consequences.
Parents blamed teachers and schools,but when teachers and schools tried to instill some discipline the parents rounded on them for 'bullying little johnny/Geraldine' and did not see/accept their own role in the awful picture.
children were allowed to do what they wanted, no boundaries were set.......children had rights but not, it seems, responsibilities.
Social workers took the rights of errant teens seriously and parents were wiped out of the picture.

Children having children doesn't help either.
That's my two pennorth.

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i got a text forwarded to me naming this calvert chap as the new identity of venables saying to pass it on, god knows what whoever started this text off thought i was going to do with this nugget of information even if it was real and i declined to pass it on

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...and who brought up that feckless, egalitarian generation?

Oh yes, that's right, the well disciplined, salt of the earth people, who'd survived under rationing, and who'd just won the second World War.

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Strange, but I thought I'd blamed the spoilt generation after that, the one I and lots of other moaners came from.
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I think it was hard for you, not neatly fitting generational groupings, such as baby boomers, Generation X etc, but having to settle for being balanced on the cusp.

:D

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I think in this case, David Askew was well supported by the police .... they even installed CCTV, and spent nights in the house with him. Unfortunately, nothing happened on these nights.

The neighbours were very supportive too, except they were too scared to confront the teenagers. Seemed had been going on for about 20 years and 'the tradition' had been passed on from one generation to another.

One of the neighbours that was interviewed stated that she knew the parents of some of the 'yobs' and they were decent people. As Shill has said, you never know what they are up to out of sight do you.

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Oi, we were classed as baby boomers right up to 1954 anything after that was put down to very keen amateurs, except for our poor Catholic brethren they were forced to do it whether they wanted to or not.
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Ok, we'll label you a 'late' baby boomer, on the understanding that it took some people longer than others to disrobe from their de-mob suits.

Apparently many years in some cases.

:D

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Therein lies part of the problem, when they are out of site from their parents some will get up to no good & others wont, but when we were kids the neighbours were on speaking terms & communal. If we got up to no good somewhere in the locality you could guarantee our parents would know within a day or two & we would be confronted with our wrong doing & "Punished".

Nowadays people lock themselves away in their houses of an evening & mostly look the other way when something happens. On occasion someone will make a stand & look what happens to them ! If they aren't beaten, killed & abused & they apprehend one of the yobs, our wonderful Police force & their assistants turn to & do the "Vigilante / offender" (read upright citizen here), not the yob & are up on a charge of ABH, GBH wrongful arrest take your pick !

One minute Government are saying, have a go , stand up for your rights & put these people in their place, offenders shall be punished. You do & what ? A slapped butt never killed anyone but if gave the Kids then a short sharp reminder of "Actions & Consequences" but do it & you're a Criminal, pussy attitudes of broken homes & absent parents, growing up in a rough area, pure pish ! plenty have gone through the same circumstances & become good, honest, reliable & responsible Adults who go on to raise offspring of the same values & morals.

Still on the flip side of that particular coin there is the complete opposite, Parents who really care more about themselves & their selfish wants & needs & this is reflected in their donation to the gene pool, "Children" who have no respect, discipline or social skills worth mentioning. This has been the story through the generations it would be wrong to try & pinpoint a particular time or group to place responsibility on, it is ongoing. So who really is responsible ? We all are !

What is required is a return to, standards of decency, honesty & fairness to all & until we reinstate these values whether it be from the 40's & 50's or the good points from modern times, the sad & depressing situation will continue to blight our society. We need to make those improvements now each & every one of us, we can all in our own way contribute, so what's stopping you ?

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I have things on my P C that I sometimes find that appal me, Ian Brady complaining that he gets half of his allowance (spending money) while others get all of it, Ian Brady in a secure hospital gets £50.00 a week to spend. Compare that with what a carer gets to live on, less than £55.00 quid a week and some carers sleep for 2 hours before they have to wake up to move the one they love to avoid bedsores, does Brady? Does Brady wash bed clothing three time on Christmas day and have to wash pillows and an eiderdown in the bath the same day, I had to.

Some carers have to decide on paying for heat or food, does Brady?

Some hospitals spend £1.00 a day on patients food and prisons spend £3.00 a day.

Is it not time that the do gooders where put against a wall and shot and Britain returned to good fair standards where decent people are treated with respect?

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Probably people are too afraid of doing anything, incase they're labeled 'do gooders', and someone like you comes along and shoots them.

:rolleyes:

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May I ask, without getting some form of outburst, what's stopping you?

If you have a solution, live by it, demonstrate to all the wicked one's how it can be done, without proper examples of which way to turn lost sheep will remain lost.

Let us know how you are making the world better, any of us, in any thread can complain, show us the way towards the light.

If I find things on my P.C. that appal me, I delete them.

Hmm, a poor example really Brady isn't anything to do with carers, you are mixing justice as meted out back then, with circumstances I suspect you are struggling with, unfortunately they are not the same.

You would not do to your loved one what most of us would like to do to Brady no matter how you are struggling.

So please don't confuse yourself and others by comparing the hardship you and yours are going through with the unjust way he is living.


Is it not time we as a society stopped threatening do-gooders with violence?
Isn't it time we all looked at society and said, "Well, if a horrific prisoner can be treated in a humane manner, can we not also treat the innocent of circumstances in a similar way?


P.S. Isn't it time you changed your signature?:)

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Sorry some confusion here, the quote "what's stopping you ?" Is part of a sentence which has not been taken in full & belongs to a more encompassing paragraph. For the full context please see my post #30.

Webglynne has taken this statement into his comment & as such, presents said comment in the wrong light hence I believe the misunderstanding in the ensuing posts. A schoolboy error it would seem & I am partially to blame. Sorry everyone :o

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This is about how society looks after its citizens, someone like Brady can have £100.00 a week to spend, a prisoner on release can get £10.00 a day spending money, decent honest people are not looked after in the same way. How many working people can spend on themselves £100. 00 a week? Not on rent, not on heating, not on food, not on clothes!

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It does sound quite tempting.

I'm genuinely considering knocking a Bobby's helmet off, pleading guilty on grounds of insanity, and will then enjoy a lovely holiday...with spends to boot.

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No change there then.:D

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but no accyweb? :D:D:D

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You can access it on a smuggled phone.

;)

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Yes he quoted it without using the 'quote' facility, perhaps he needs assistance, all he has to do is ask nicely and I'm sure many will tell him what to do.

Not your confusion at all.
:)

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Its often said great minds think alike Beni:D

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Daveingermany

The following was the point that I was making, sorry that I did not delete more from your post but it did get us more snide from less.

{What is required is a return to, standards of decency, honesty & fairness to all**


[Is it not time we as a society stopped threatening do-gooders with violence?
Isn't it time we all looked at society and said, "Well, if a horrific prisoner can be treated in a humane manner, can we not also treat the innocent of circumstances in a similar way?


P.S. Isn't it time you changed your signature? ]

Less should it not be the aim of society to treat all in a humane manner and not just horrific prisoners?
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No need to apologise, what's posted is posted & folk may pick & choose the bits they want / require to make their point, I have no issue with this unless some one deliberately twists the comments to provoke a different intent / meaning.

As to Less, I think you may have upset him at some point in some way, with a comment or other. I'd advise a little more caution when you post something on here. Sometimes peoples emotions over run their typing & thinking process & we may on occasion make a comment we later regret.

A proof read before you post & then again just after you've posted is usually sufficient (I think you've got 10 mins to edit) to pick up on anything that could fan the flames of resentment & lead to disharmony. There will be heated threads, but that is all they should be ! when it's done you should be able to PM your antagonists afterwards, congratulate or commiserate on a well argued case & there is an end of it, no grudges.

Also as some one new you'll always be singled out because no one knows you & are trying to find out what you're like. Just don't take it to heart. :)

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Less, I don't understand how the selective quote thing works either :o it's usually all or nothing & I've been on here a couple of Months, usually Neil's pretty good & boxes the things off, but of late .......Weeeelll I think he's been slacking off :eek: :D

So if you don't mind ? a short lecture on how please, thanks .

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So, British "good fair standards" somehow involves the summary execution of people whose views you disagree with:confused::rolleyes: This one needs some serious re-thinking.

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Don't let it worry you Dave I've been on here 5 years and I still can use blocked quotes mate:o:o:o

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No problem, I'll put it in Suggestions and help, where you will find a few other sticky 'how to's', rather than here in Webglynns whiny thread.

Don't worry about him being upset with me, he hasn't forgiven me for showing him a bit of accyweb history I thought would help him, unlike you he would rather come on and demand the attention he thinks he deserves rather than earn the kudos he would get if he was to pay polite attention to others.
:)

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Neil after Kudos Less, never:D

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No, not Neil the starter of this thread.

:)

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Oh I see:D

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Not long been on but i'll have a look in a bit, then maybe give it a go later on thanks all. :)