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Whats the old saying and Englishmans home is his castle, well it was, but apperantly not anymore. Just what is happening in this country:(

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I'm sure there are ways.

Perhaps watering your garden with a hose, every day... ignoring everyone thats in it & they may soon get the idea.

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Knocking a policeman’s helmet off get more appealing every day!

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Must be worth a bottle of vodka and an insurance claim.

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With all that waste they are leaving, it is just a matter of time, until a open can of petrol/meths/ Bottle of alcohol that's lying around spills and accidental catches fire. it happens every day:D

Failing that hire a digger and start digging a new garden, after all if they happen to get in the way, its not your fault.:mosher:

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See if you local farmer can drive past with his muck spreader loaded with the newest and sloppiest slurry, a load o that will shift anybody.

Retlaw.

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How sad you all are?

Why would you be full of such Evil intent towards such people?

Unlike me, most of you claim to be Christians, turn the other cheek, etc, etc, why is it always an atheist that can see the other side of a story and never you Christians?

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im ok my neighbours cats leave that much crap in my garden they wont want to stay in it too long if tehy came here

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aint very christian crapping in someones garden either, i would sure as hell shift em.:rolleyes:

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credit where credit is due i have yet to have a door to door chritisan or jehova refuse to leave my garden and as of yet i havnt offended either or any other religious sect enough to make them deficate on my lawn.

no matter how hard i try :D

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thing is did none of them sheds where theyre sleeping not have a lock on it .. if they did then all they have to do is report it .. its a crime .. then the police would have to do something about it ...

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Errr ... so what's the other side then Less ?

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Well if it was in a police- mans backyard they would have been removed and i dont mean that in a bad way.

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:flamethro

Well I'm an atheist, and a theoretical pacifist, but if someone invades my property, and treats it with disrespect, then 'reasonable force' would be used to ensure an eviction. No question.

If you left your door open, or a window ajar, they'd legally be entitled to claim the same rights as they are now if they entered your home, even if they climbed into bed with you.

Perhaps that's what some more charitable of our members are hoping for.

:rolleyes:

Charity doesn't starts at home, it starts at Less's.


Make poverty history............P-A-R-T-Y-!

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Sorry Less, I can't agree. I'm an atheist (or more accurately a long-since lapsed Catholic) but this has very little to do with being charitable and everything to do with protecting your own privacy. Charity implies reaching out to those less fortunate, not having them foisted on you and then being told that it's your problem.

There would be little courtesy if I found myself in that situation and I wouldn't expect anyone else to be tolerant of it either. I live in a modest mid-terrace which I have worked hard to own so I would proudly protect both it and my wife from anyone who forced their way in uninvited.

I would happily be publicly reprimanded for defending my own home, regardless of any PC laws that give my 'victims' more rights than I have.

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The law in this matter is not "PC". Or if it is, PC goes back a very long way.

The current laws of trespass go back to the late 1600s/early 1700s. And the act of trespass is not a criminal offence, it is civil: the police can't touch them. In strict legal terms, the act of trespass as a civil offence is "unlawful" rather than "illegal." The police can only act where an action is "illegal".

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I think I'd be peed of if a copper told me that there was nothing they can do if some cretin set up camp in my back yard, given the fact that I wouldn't be allowed to take the law into my own hands and move them myself. But isn't that the problem here the law protects the feckless and rides roughshod over law abiding citizens who only want whats right in society:(

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Point is though it's nothing new and shouldn't be treated that way by the media or anyone else.

People complain that the law won't do anything when it has never been able to. If you want the law to change, don't moan that it's someone else's fault. Campaign to get it changed. It does work sometimes. Sarah's Law anyone?

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if thats the case, then how come the police shift travellers from various illegal sites, on the behest of councils? or are the police allowed to act, when its not law abiding citizens requesting.

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You make a good point but people have been campaigning in various ways for years. There was the case of Tony Martin in 2000 when he shot at intruders which really brought it back into the public consciousness and laws have been 'reviewed' very recently but it still falls more on the side of the intruder than the homeowner.

Until there is another high-profile case where a burglar gets better treatment than the homeowner the laws will remain the same. Sad, but true.

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One cannot help but notice from the pictures in the Mail article, just how scruffy and overgrown some of these Cambridge gardens are. It would seem to me therefore, that a simple solution is at hand both to enhance these gardens and to rid them of their dubious trespassers.

Most reasonably sized garden centres will stock a variety of implements to assist in tidying up your garden. Foremost among these tools is the flame thrower (for the use of clearing weeds) and the machete for clearing more dense undergrowth. For those unfortunate residents who have this vermin in their gardens, the answer is to go down the local garden centre, purchase a number of the said items, and then (maybe with the assistance of the lads from the local pub after closing time,) have a midnight burn and chop party in their garden. I'm quite sure that should any unfortunate accident occur, the local cops would be powerless to act, because of course, it would have arisen from a perfectly legal activity occuring on private property.

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I really can't understand how such as situation can be possible. It appears that in every aspect of UK life there is a plethora of rules, regulations & Bylaws, which local councils quite readily bandy about, often with Police backing, when it is something they desire or that they consider should be enforced under the all encompassing banner of PC.

Gatherings of youths being moved on, anti social behaviour orders, data gathering, spying on the populace, fines for dropping litter, rooting through peoples rubbish & on Ad nausea. Yet when someone comes along with the issues stated no one wants to know, not the council nor Police both parties washing their hands of the problem.

Now is this a genuine case of not being able to do anything ? (as they seem to manage quite well on a multitude of other matters without a problem) or are they just not willing to get involved & take action in case of legal consequences ? Or being seen as racist, bullies ? I know what I think, but the powers that be have already cast their Dice a long while back.

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Ok, I'll take a leaf out of Less's book, and be a little more charitable.

They can stay at the bottom of the garden, but there is a price to pay.

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Most campaigns fall by the wayside because people expect things to change without really working for it. Or worse still, think that they don't have to work out the answers to the questions that are bound to come their way. A friend of mine successfully lobbied to keep a charity funded by his local council because when asked by the council "why should we fund a charity to take us to court?", he answered "because you keep losing the cases: if you'd have listened to them in the first place and done what they suggested you'd have saved thousands - and a lot of embarrassment!"

Tony Martin was a different situation: it's difficult to argue "reasonable force" or "self-defence" when shooting someone in the back. Kind of put his supporters on the back foot there.

Burglars are nothing to do with trespass: trespass doesn't involve breaking and entering. Burglary does and is therefore a criminal offence. Totally different in law.

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so if someone camps out in a persons shed in that persons back yard/garden, that is not breaking n entering?:confused: cos it damn well is to me.

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Tony Martin wouldn't have needed to do anything if the little thieving gypo hadn't been in his house uninvited in the first place:mad:

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it also wasnt the first time the gypo and his cronies had robbed the poor guy, how many times should a person have to tolerate been burgled by the same person with nothing been done about it before they defend their property.
Yes the gypo was shot in the back but he was running away after burgularing the bloke and deserved every pellet that got its target.A decent man went to prison for commiting the crime of ridding the planet of a theiving scumbag.Farmers have guns and if you are stupid enough to eneter a farmers property to rob them then more fool you lol

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Its just like if you ark your car in a neighbours drive, legally there is not a lot they can easily do about it without resorting to unlawful methods.

But they would soon be shifted from a lot of peoples back yards IMO.

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If they are living on your land maybe they could pay half your land taxes or rates to the local government

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The key words are "breaking" and "entering" - forcible entry. If the shed isn't locked, it's fair game provided nothing is stolen. And has been for centuries. And it's not about immigration, either.

I'm not defending these people, they shouldn't be there, but what they are doing is not illegal, it's unlawful and that is a different ballgame. I'm saying that the law needs to be changed, but the situation is nothing new and not the creation of this or any recent government.

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Would appear either your a seasoned crim or an apologist for them:(

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Obviously they've now decided on an upgrade in a better residential area !! No more sheds for us thank you very much !!

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100% wrong.

Just more interested in the facts.

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according to report i read the shed had a lock on, yet still not breaking and entering?:confused:

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The fact is, the law gives the house owner little redress against this, the police are about as useless as a ashtray on a moped as they will not act because no crime has been committed.

The legal way to remove them is long & hard & costly.


An injunction will only work on those it is against & others will move in & that costs £150

The council are no use either as its not their problem.

The Immigration dept - well where the heck are they - most likely snowed under with work & harder to get round than the police.

Borrow a big dog!

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Well the facts are that nobody gives a stuff for the law abiding citizen, until in frustration, they finally take the law into their own hands, them they end up in trouble, and the perpetrator walks away scot free, that's Great Britain 2010:mad:

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I'm truly sorry to find myself agreeing with that, John.

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It's more indicative that two people from different sides of the political divide feel the same way, on such a serious issue, an issue which successive governments have failed to address over many years Ken:mad:

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I almost agree. Too many people get too little support from the law. I witnessed a crime and reported it, spending hours at a police station giving my statement, doing descriptions of the perpetrators, to be told that it would be my word against theirs. Was I willing to stand up in court?

Yes I damn well was.

And the Crown Prosecution Service decided that a law abiding citizen of good standing had no credibility compared to two characters with pre-existing criminal records.

That was Britain 1995.

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there is a simple soloution to this

as far as I know ther exists no law that says you can't scare someone so simply get a can of deoderant and light a match "hey look what I can do with these" >:) (just be carefull not to set to anything on fire)

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Try something like that & one of 2 things will happen (1) They'll come out & give you a canning (2) The Police will be dragging you away for threatening behaviour. Not the best suggestion by a long shot Ollie Lad ! In the big World things are quite different !

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This doesn't make any sense , if the Police have the power to move on winos and bums in town centers and shopping malls why don't they use the same powers to move on these folks ?

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beecause the system has more holes than 200 pound block swiss of chese

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Because it's on private property, in the eye's of the law, and as we've known for centuries, the law is an ass.

Conversely, the law couldn't be used on Saturday, to stop two groups, with a history of violent clashes, from holding rallies in Bolton, because that was in a public place, but they could have halted procedings if it had been on private property.

The law needs a much needed overhaul.

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So what your saying is that the police have no actual authority to move undesirables along in the Arndale shopping center (private property) its the responsibility of some minimum wage security guard who has no legal powers of arrest ........
Yet at the same time Bars/Clubs/Nightspots are allowed to employ "thugs" who do 'stop and search' of young people entering their premisis (sp?) for 'illicit contrabend' ......something doesn't add up here :confused: :confused:

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I think the law would only become involved if it was something other than threspass on private property, such as public nuisance, or drunk and disorderly, etc.

The law needs changing.

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Your powers of observation have always astounded me Rindi, you should have gone into politics, or maybe not:rolleyes:

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Happily my ambitions were always a little loftier.

It must be so very disappointing to have political ambitions, and then fail, and have those dreams thwarted.

Do please feel free to share your own bitter experiences with us.

You're bound to find a sympathetic ear.

We're listening....

:rolleyes:

:D

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If I can astonish just one simple soul a day, I feel what I do is justified.

;)

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Can they not put a hasp/staple with a substantial padlock on the door. Then the "lodgers" would have to commit criminal damage to get in there - that is also breaking and entering/burglary.

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Your trouble is you like the sound of your own voice to much, why use one post when ten will do:rolleyes:

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That's the most sensible and logical solution. Force a situation where they either have to move on or break the law.

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OR even when they are in there, put the H/S on and they will have to break it to get out, then you call the cops as its still broken... lol

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Of course its sensible but should you have to do it on your on property, the police say its not their problem, but if you take the law into your own hands on your own property they will intervene then, but the police don't even do anything about things happening in the public domain, it would have been quite easy for them to have baned the demo's in Bolton last Saturday but chose not to:(

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Cast your optics on this:rolleyes:

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...and the post that I'm quoting of your's, is related to the subject of the thread how?

:hehetable:hehetable:hehetable

I might post a lot, but there's always a message in there somewhere. Unlike some people's banal posts, just commenting on other's thoughts, and adding little to the debate.

;)

Perhaps we should do with those time wasters what some of us would like to do with the garden invaders.

:flamethro

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Fitting a lock is taking the law into your own hands and something you shouldn't have to do?

:silly:

Sorry but that makes no sense at all. Makes you sound like someone who would rather moan and complain than find a practical solution. You're sure you're not a politician?

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Er........ run that by me again please !!

So if I don't do it who will ? I'm sure the Plods have got loftier things to do than put a padlock on my Shed !! :confused:

a more concise explanation would be helpful there Hiddlebit ! :o

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Where does the law stand on chastity belts?

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It's not my logic you're having problems with. It's Jaysays. When I supported the idea of fixing a lock on a shed, he described it as taking the law into your own hands...which is barmy, frankly.

As you say, Dave, it's something you have to do yourself. And if you do, and some hairy-arsed criminal comes along and breaks or damages it, the police have no choice then but to act because a crime has then been committed.

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I wonder how you'd stand legally, if you decided to fit and lock said shed/outbuilding, with the garden invaders locked inside?

:rolleyes:

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Thank you :) Whole lot clearer now.

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Is this before or after putting the chassy belts on them ?? :)

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Legally speaking it would probably be treated as false imprisonment.

Stupid, but almost certainly true.

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Well it would appear the move to better accommodation wasn't such a good idea, they've gone back to detached sheds again.

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