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I ordered a small item from Argos on 1st April
It is a magnifier and since free postage was offered it was cheaper than anything similar on ebay.
(not all the books I read are ebooks, which are magnifiable, so these old eyes need help sometimes, when bifocals are inadequate)

I live next door to a mentally backward person who has, in the past, taken in my mail and sat on it for days. This was traumatic when it once was holiday travel tickets and I had to request replacement at the 11th hour, only for him to produce them on the day before the departure.
I have even bought and installed a large set of chrome door numbers on his door, in order to attempt to avert any future incorrect deliveries.

Even that simple precaution does not always avert potential tragedy.
Like the time I was awaiting delivery of a new cooker, and found that it had been delivered to him, and installed. If I hadn't noticed that his cooker was being parked on the front lawn, I may well have been still waiting.

Argos have 'order tracking' which is an invaluable service when you have a neighbour like mine, so I tracked it. The GPO have a tendency to avoid this area on saturdays, so I didn't really expect delivery until tomorrow, tuesday, but it would be nice to see 'dispatched'.

I just checked and read 'delivered' - what a porky pie - just glad it was only a fiver.

I have mailed them as follows -
Comments - This website shows 'delivered'- Oh no it hasn't!
I didn't really expect it to be (being easter)
but it is rather naughty for you to say it has.
If it had been an expensive item I might well have panicked.
I have been at home 24/7 for the past 6 weeks.
I do live next door to a mental defective who has been known to take in my mail and sit on it for days, so I always 'track' any delivery.
Please ensure that porkies are not a part of your customer service plan.

I hope that it will raise enough of a chuckle in the customer services dept to warrant the posting of an Argos voucher....I am an optimist :D

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At least now you can have a cold shower and calm down a bit.:D:D

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Funny you should say that. The shower has been temperature limited at the time of install - seems that it has to be for 'the disabled'

My neck, shoulders and hands are(disabled), but my brain isn't:rolleyes:
They have installed an wall extractor fan to take out steam - what steam?

Fortunately I have the installation/operation booklet and can reprogramme it after they have inspected the install;) - meanwhile I am being tepid

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Not if you don't get your magnifier, unless its an "E" manual :rolleyes: :D :D

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I must say that its been quite a long time since ive heard any poor soul who's Brain Injured being reffered to as "Mentally Backward" or a "Mental Defective"......Thankfully!!:mad:


Best Regards - Taggy

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Agree with you Taggy, sorry Margaret but the use of those words grated on me as well

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The PC brigade say 'learning difficulties', but that doesn't make sense when he is not attempting to learn anything.
Spades aren't shovels in my book.
That does not prevent me from being a good neigbour to him - only last week I intervened when some Jehovahs were harrassing him.

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Perhaps "He" is not learning anything because his Brain Injury hinders him from learning!! Brain Injuries are no different than Physical Injuries in that the Injury prevents you from being able to do certain things! Just because its a disability you cannot see...doesn't make it any less real!! Perhaps you would be happy to see people with Physical disabilities called Spastics...as they used to be!!

Best Rgards - Taggy

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I have some 'non evident' disability myself - I have partially spastic hands.
I don't mind if you had said it.

Please read my edit of my last post

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Well i have a severely disabled son, who is Brain Injured, cannot walk, and can only use one hand....both i and he, would be very offended by the terms mental defective, mentally backward, or spastic. They all kind of imply that the person is somewhat less than "normal" ...assuming there's any such state as normal!...I assume you wouldn't call him a Mental Defective to his face, and if so then you should'nt use the term on here either!

Best Regards - Taggy

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There is a tendency to classify normal as admirable/acceptable - we are all unique - in my book the quest for conformity is the scourge of our society.
So do not insult me by inferring that I am 'normal':D

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We may all be Unique but we also all have far more similarities to one another than we do have differences!!


Best Regards - Taggy

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We obviously have different attitudes.
I regret that my use of words has offended, but because I am not normal, I don't see why it did.

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So you would be quite Happy to call him, or any other Brain Injured person, a Mental Defective to their face would you????


Best Regards - Taggy

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I don't recall ever having done so, or ever being in a position where I would do so.

Though I once discussed his problems with his mother who was not offended by my interest, and just appreciated that I needed to know how he was different, in order to be of help when needed.

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I though this thread was about "Argos home deliveries". It seems to have changed into something else now.

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Back on topic - it has just this minute been delivered.
I will report when Argos reply to mail and admit telling 'porkies':D



PS I use the word porky because I know that the word lie offends some people;)

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Well you quite easily found yourself in a position to call him a Mental Defective in your communication with Argos, so i cant see why you wouldn't use the same term openly in discussions with him or his family, if you dont think there's anything wrong with the term.

I wonder if your neighbour was Black you would be quite as happy to use the N word in describing them to Argos....or indeed to their face!

Best Regards - Taggy

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Words are only words - what matters is the intention behind their use.
I prefer to use words which clearly describe what I am trying to express.
Skin colour is irrelevant in any context and the use of slang to describe it would not enter my vocabulary.

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So what were you trying to express when you called your neighbour a Mental defective?...Thats certainly a term which wouldn't enter my vocabulary!!

Best Regards - Taggy

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It clearly indicates that he thinks differently from the 'norm', and explains his unusual behaviour.

Society is conditioned to be sensitive about nonconformity - that way of thinking about disablity is defective too.

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It might surprise you Margaret, but there was post on Saturday morning, I thought it was a bank holiday weekend and therefore there would be no post, Argos may well have thought that your order may have been delivered if it was in the hands of the GPO, just a though:rolleyes:

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Never thought I would be sticking up for Margaret, however it seems that she cannot do right from wrong.

This neighbour has problems. How do you express that, Brain Injured? Mentally Defective? Mentally Backward? Stupid? Simple? or Retard?
Shall we say the Neighbour is just Devious? Sneaky? Treacherous? Nasty? Obnoxious? Rude? or an A@@@@@e? having got a free cooker and keeping hold of Airline Tickets etc......

She was only trying to illustrate a point about deliveries and how it can go wrong when delivered to the wrong address.

The neighbours Colour, Creed, Mental State, Religion etc has nothing to do with it other than to explain the problem.
If it offends you, then sorry, but this is a adult site, she has not made any nasty derogatory comments like the 'N' word referred to by Taggy.
How was she meant to explain the problem,
maybe this edit might be appropriate

.....

I am sure that would help....:confused:

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All that Argos needed to be told was that your Neighbour occasionally took in your mail against your wishes, not that you had a predjudiced attitude in the reasons this had happened. Many others without Brain Injury could equally do the same thing, so the reasons for stating that are just as irrelevent as describing his skin colour, his Brain injury might have nothing to do with it!

As i have asked previously, and you have skirted round the issue, would you called a Brain Injured person Mentally Defective to their face, if not then its not a term you should use in written communication either!

Best Regards - Taggy

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I don't 'do' shopping (due to my spastic hands:rolleyes:) and rely entirely on deliveries for survival.

I actually had a courier delivery on good friday and when I remarked that I didn't expect it, the driver said he was self employed so worked all days of the year.

The GPO never deliver up this hill on Saturdays and really I don't mind if they are dashing to get their shift finished by noon to spend more time on what really matters to them.

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She didn't need to say anything other than that her neighbour sometimes took in post against her wishes. Saying that he is Mentally Defective is just as offensive to a Disabled Person as using the N word is to a Black Person. Its a case of Double Standards on discrimination i'm afraid!


Best Regards - Taggy

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He does not take in my mail 'against my wishes'. He just doesn't always pass it to me promptly - persons who think normally would, unless of course they were acting maliciously.
Therefore I needed to make clear that there was no malicious intent on his part.

There is no point in further thread wandering here.
We just have different attitudes towards use of words.

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Hummm but by saying that the neighbour took in mail against her wishes, from reading the first post in this manner suggests that the neighbour is not a very nice person, after all they received a very nice new cooker for free.
I empathize with your view, but had Margaret put it any other way we would have all thought she has a A@@@@@e neighbour rather than one who has problems.

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Well in that case all it needed was to say my neighbour doesnt always pass it on promptly then! As i say the term Mental Defective is just as offensive to a disabled person as the n word is to a Black person!!


Best Regards - Taggy

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Time out, let it go, stop fussing.

She's already differentiated, between a spade not being a shovel, here's my version.

A shovel is a tool for picking up sweepings, a spade is the N that ideally operates the shovel!
:eek:

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Will you stop it off:D:D:D:D

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Don't you mean K..... spoken in a South African accent????

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Well, you've got me, I don't know what you are talking about,:D neither spade nor shovel begin with 'K'.
:confused:

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Leave the Yarpies alone , nice people, nothing wrong with using the Arabic word for Unbeliever , lots of other foriegn words have made it into the English language . ;) :D

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this to me is ridiculous, many people of differant generations use differant terms to express themselves, to me there is nowt offensive in what margaret said, i once used a word in chatroom n some sad get reported me, i happen to know margaret n there aint n offensive bone in her body, sorry if ya don't like that view Taggy, but thats the trouble with internet speak, many dont get it.:confused:

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Cashy, i'm not suggesting that Margaret is an offensive person, just that the comments she chose to make would be considered just as offensive to a Brain Injured Person as the N word would to a Black person. I asked if it was a term she would be happy to use directly to someone's face, and as she hasn't said yes, then i assume the answer is probably no! I know on the internet as in text speak, its sometimes difficult to convey emotion and feeling, which is one reason why smilies and the like can sometimes help, however a rule of thumb i use when making posts or sending texts is never to say or write something, that i wouldn't be willing to say to someone's face. Obviously we all know that political correctness has gone barmy in this country, blighting "free speech" as we once knew it. However if we accept that lines have to be drawn somewhere, then we should have a level playing field, and show at least the same discretions when talking about Disabled People for example as when referring to someone's colour!
I'd feel happier...and would probably be more justified in calling some of our MP's and Judges "Mentally Decfective" than a Brain Injured Lad!;)

Best Regards - Taggy

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no its not ....:rolleyes::D

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I think the term mentally defective is only offensive to someone who is mentally defective.

Wrap it up in whatever nicey nicey terms you want, but if someone is defective mentally then they are mentally defective and just because you do not like the term being used for you & yours does not mean that it cannot ever be used for other people.

Letting a delivery firm install a cooker ? heck thats fraudulent too so wither the person next door to Margaret is a devious fraudster or their brain is somehow defective.

As for the nig word, well they use it themselves...

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Argos have apologised - but no voucher:(
was worth a try

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Perhaps they have sent you one, is there anyone on your street that could be a bit erm, err, well, shall we say, mentally deficient that has got to it first?
:hidewall:

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Yes it is!!!

Best Regards - Taggy

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Well if its offensive to a Brain Injured person then it shouldn't be used in general terminology then should it. I dont know anyone who is involved with people who have been disadvantaged in this way, who would feel comfortable using or hearing that term used. I know its difficult sometimes trying to use a concise term that conveys meanings without giving offence, the term Disabled is objected to by some, but seems to be the most accepted term nowadays! As you say because i'm close to the situation it perhaps makes me more sensitive than others who are not, but i must admit if someone did call my son a Mental Decfective to his face, i'd have difficulty in restraining myself from thumping them!

Best Regards - Taggy

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Boeing Guy =Sorry no its not its a family site we have children on here.:rolleyes::)

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Well, that surely shows you have issues of self-control that need to be mastered, violence doesn't solve anything, cue the old joke and I'll fight anyone that says it does.

You have told us many times now you are offended & that as well as your son probably your dog is offended,


now why don't you take some time off, calm down, read through it and come up with a term that can be used universally for anything without causing offence somewhere to somebody, there will always be differences of opinion on the description of many types of thing and even more about many types of people.

However, to take offence when none was intended is downright bad manners.
:(

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That does sound unusual, and especially uncomfortable if it's an oddly shaped package.

http://cdn.costumesupercenter.com/cs...3x432/1623.jpg

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I wouldn't worry too much, you should hear how he describes the woman neighbour he has!

:D

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I think he likes me - we exchange christmas presents every year, though one year the present was rather odd:D

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Ah, he obviously knows you're only happy, and fulfilled, when you have a little man in your life.

He sounds quite tuned in.

:p:D:p

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Well, actually to trivialise something that is important to others by inferring my dog (if i had one) would be offended, is what i would call downright bad manners!

Ive mentioned previously its difficult to come up with terms that dont cause offence. However i feel secure in saying that not one member on this forum would feel comfortable addressing a Brain Injured person as a Mental Defective!:(

Best Regards - Taggy

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Yes you have mentioned it previously, many times previously the effect now is wearing on any sympathy I had for you cause.

If as a person close to a mental defective, brain damaged whatever way we describe it you are determined to take offence.
If you find it difficult to find the terms and you have to face this problem every day, cut some slack for those of us that aren't spending time trying to come up with a more tolerable term.

If you can't do it what chance have we?

Now, you have repeated your point many times, could we spend less time being forced into sack cloth & ashes and more time laughing at Maggies argos problem?
:)

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Not a case of repeating my point, ive just been answering replies from others to my quoted comments, its what happens on forums aint it! However your right, i've said all i need to on the subject by now, and the original subject matter should be left to be the focus of this thread!:)

Best Regards - Taggy

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Trust you, where do you get these from:D

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My neighbours.

They're delivered here by mistake, and I sit on them until I can use them.

:D

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He's called Ken and he Tuckys them away for later!!;)


Best Regards - Taggy