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as from today doctors will no longer be giving out sick notes, instead they will be issuing guidelines on what type of work a person CAN do. To me when a person goes to the Doctor they go because they have a medical problem, its already hard enough for people to get an appointment to see their GP, they should not be assessing what jobs people are able to do, that should be down to other people, their sole concern should be for the health o the patient and nothing else:mad:

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Good morning Mr. Jaysay, I'm afraid today you are not fit to undertake your normal occupation, not to fear though, I have arranged that you will spend a few hours a day instead as the straight man for somebody called.. let me see, I have it on a piece of paper here somewhere, rustle, rustle.

No Jay that's not the name, those were sound effects of paper being sorted, (back to the Doctor), Ah yes, here it is you will be the straight man for a guy called, Less.

:)

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That would be impossible, a straight man is supposed to have a deadpan face, I'd be forever P*****g myself:D

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I don't care what anyone else tells you I think you have got a bedpan face.:)

(No typo' whatsoever was harmed in making this post!)

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Is Jay going to model bed pans?he could include Toby Jugs as well:D:D

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Garinda has already found a suitable applicant for Toby Jugs.

Go on Gary, it's worthy of another outing......

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Don't you start as well:D

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This is ridiculous and i cant imagine it working.The government brought in this new system.What next?

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nothing next have ya not heard - Parliment Dissolved today.:D i agree it is ridiculous, but then surely yer mate will scrap it, if he wins the lottery on the 6th of May?:D:rolleyes:

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Hope so. Next they will be saying if your not on your death bed,get to work.

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Im surprised the unions havent stopped this.

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Seems to me like they already are.:rolleyes: also doubt very much if yer mate will repeal it, i can see all of ems *******, why cant you?:confused:

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Apparently one of reasons behind the changes is to drive down sickness rates. Apparently their is genuine concern for some workers who are signed off for long periods and evidence suggests it prolongs their illness,it suggests that in this respect these reforms have a positive influence for some workers. It has been thought doctors will not always have the knowledge required to make an informed decision about how much work their patient is able to do as the physical and emotional demands of jobs vary widely between work places. This is my concern.I still say its ridiculous.

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I can, but clearly see a need for change.

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:D what next.. are you for real?..if you think this is bad then I can tell you it will be alot worse when you lot get in government.
Nearly half a million people could see their sickness benefits cut by £25 a week under Tory plans to reform Britain's welfare system. (as reported by the ultra Tory Sky News)

Get Britain Working: David Cameron Reveals Tory Plans To Cut Number Dependent On Welfare | Politics | Sky News

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I can only imagine this related to the ones abusing the system and not for genuine people who need it.

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if you can as ya say, why change one ****** fer another?:confused: makes no sense at all.:confused:

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We have to have a government in so we dont have much choice but to vote and the opposition has to be better than than the current one. I have never known the country in such a state or people struggling to make ends meet than under this government

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Oh i got a choice n i'm using it,life has taught me that the opposition care even less fer the ordinary folk. n i have first hand experiance of em.

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You can "imagine" all you like.. the fact is that everyone having a "sicknote" will be required to go through a test if they have been sick for 6 weeks or more.. everyone ...even the bedridden and invalids.. that is the reality of a Tory Government.

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Where you a round in the 1980s when 3 million plus were unemployed under the last Tory Government by any chance. There was a lot of struggling going on then.

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does this mean my sicknote will run out then .. the one that said indefinate ..

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This may indeed be the case however if they are genuine then im sure they will still receive their benefits.

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All I can say Turkish is that you must have lived in some sort of different dimension in the 80's if you have never seen the country in a worse state.. either that or as I suspect you are simply a blinkered Tory?

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38: love yer sense of humour.:rolleyes:

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But which opposition .. the lib dems, UKIP, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Independent, Unionists, SDLP, DLP. Sinn Fein, Conservatives, Green, plus the many more small parties there are ..

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I can only say i never noticed it in the 80's so couldnt have been that bad however i notice it very well now and so do all of my friends,family, and work mates.

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Actually i kind of like the Lib Dems, but feel it would be a wasted vote. I believe its between Labour and Conservative so not much choice only one i can consider.

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Hang on here.. first you say it's not right that people should go through this sort of thing.. but then you find out that the tories sickness plans are more rigid..so you change your tune...:D

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You didn't notice there was over 3 million people unemployed for most of the 1980's. It was in all the papers at the time.

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why it might be your vote that changes everything .. so should vote for what you believe ..

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Its called Decietfull i think.:rolleyes:

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thats no surprise Turkish since I saw that pic of you pimping your son out to shake John Majors hand :D

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Yes i was but its appears much more evident to people today.

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I guess that were it all began.

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back in the 80s there wasnt the same media representation as there is today ... back in the 80s all you knew was what was told on the radio, the news and in newspapers .. now 25/30 years later we have the internet and access to more newspapers .. but will say this .. i was 16 in 1983 ...and even i knew what state the country was in .. so you must have led a sheltered life through the 80s then .. :D

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I was much younger then and to be honest probably didnt take a lot of notice but really cant remember so many people as concerned as they are now.

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well Negative Equity was a big star back then, if i remember correctly.:rolleyes:

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Yes i remember that very well, but believe its going to be worse now and believe the effects of this government have only just begun and worse to come. Pay freezes etc and peoples jobs at great risk,which will lead to many loosing their homes, we are far from out of this recession all caused by this Labour government and all the borrowing. Young people cant even get on the property ladder.

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It was bad then. It wasn't unusual for people to made redundant 2 or 3 times during the 1980s. I know people have concerns today, but we don't want to see a return to anything like the 1980s.

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But you once posted that you'd never noticed any political flyers posted through your door, and therefore hadn't a clue who your councillors are, so perhaps your powers of observation, and recollection, aren't all that hot.

I bet if you asked everyone living in the many towns and cities which used to have manufacturing industries, if life was better today or twenty five years ago, they wouldn't be struggling to give their answers.


;)

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well to refresh your memory ...

BBC - h2g2 - The 1980s - World Events

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and do ya also believe in aesops fables?:rolleyes:

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No councillor has ever been to my door or sent a flyer only one i have ever received was from Karen Buckley via the Observer.

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Was it in the eighties you were trying to lure people into get-rich-quick, pyramid selling schemes, or was that in the nineties?

That perhaps could explain why you didn't take much in, at that time.

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I didn't say otherwise.

Just pointing out a fact.

Like I also did when I had to tell you how you could find out who your councillors are.

;)

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That actually worked, and was around 1995. A couple of my friends received 25,ooo pounds from that investment of 500 pounds.

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Perhaps it was then he was first taught how to avoid telling the truth.

:rolleyes:

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Whoo-hoo!

Rich beyond your wildest dreams, and never having to do a day's work in your life again.

How lucky you are!

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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One thing i can say about Andrew he is an honest, caring, passionate, person, and has the courage to stand by his convictions.

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http://www.3simplerules.com/images/digging.jpg

Have a new one, your's is getting too much wear.

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Im still working.

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..and the ability not to tell the truth, even to his mummy. Making fools in public of the both of you.
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...-49671-28.html

;)

Thankfully I was brought up to have self-belief. Thus requiring no further parental back-up, which would be too shaming for all concerned.

;)

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Oh right, so it didn't work for you, just 'friends'.

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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I am proud of Andrew and he is a credit to me, he has never made me feel like a fool, ever, so you obviously dont know him that well.

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Besides, it's nice there's at least one person who holds him in high esteem.

A lonely role, even if it's a mummy's role.

:rolleyes:

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Well perhaps anyone else with the ability to read the linked post might have a different opinion.

After all, your reasoning, and your ability to judge....

:rolleyes:

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The linked post was my fault for misunderstanding what he had stated,simple.

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Having worked in a job which dealt with the fallout of all those 'get rich quick' schemes of the 1980s and 90s it might be worth you mollifying your pride about being involved with them.

For every person who made £25k from nothing, several thousand were left seriously short-changed, usually involving collossal outstanding mortgages that they were promised would be paid off with a round-the-world trip to spare.

Thank God those days are gone....oh no, silly me.

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Many hold him in high esteem its just this web site and especially yourself who always finds something thats a personal attack as if you get some kind of satisfaction from it sad, really, you dont impress me at all,infact i find you very insulting, and will not be responding to your posts again as you never have a good thing to say,you just try to put people down.

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Sorry you feel like that.

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:wave:




'At the Conservative Party conference today, David Cameron announced his plan to move half a million people who are able to work from Incapacity Benefit to Jobseeker's Allowance, and cut their payments by £25 a week.'

"We are concerned that the Conservative Party's plan to reduce dependency on benefits could force some people who are genuinely unable to work onto Jobseeker's Allowance, reducing their income, and causing unnecessary stress
Parkinson's Disease Society - Conservative Party plans to change Incapacity Benefit

Sadly it's not only people suffering from this, and other degenerative, incurable diseases who'll be affected by the proposed Tory proposals.

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You must admit though, there are certain people who are swinging the lead a bit regarding the magical Incapacity Benefit....?

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'Within three years of being elected, the Tories want all 2.6 million people on incapacity benefit to be assessed to see what work they could do and offered training or other help in getting work.'
BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | We need strong mandate - Cameron

It looks like those doctor's surgeries might be chock-a-block for quite some time to come.

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There are, but when people have already been diagnosed with a degenerative disease, and told they weren't fit to work, and supposing no miracle cure has yet been found, reassessing everyone seems rather Draconian, and an unnecessary strain on the medical staff who'll be doing it.

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One would hope that a degenerative disease would be seen as a genuine case and not worthy of re-diagnosis in a sensible world.

Ever the optimist.....:rolleyes:

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So, let’s review. David Cameron is proposing
a minimum £14,565,600 increase in the annual public sector wage bill;
a 148% increase in the number of publicly-funded medical examination centres;
an unknown increase in the number of civil servants in the DWP to process the additional paperwork;
an unknown increase in the number of civil servants required to process an unquantified number of appeals against the removal of benefit.
David Cameron + Incapacity Benefit + Basic Arithmetic = FAIL « Aethelread the Unread

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seem to remember there used to be a Govt. sponsored organization (Remploy ?) which used to re-train the handicapped/disabled to get back into full time employment ...is it still in operation, disability was no excuse for lying in bed in those days .
Also think the blind chap with metal "claws" for hands (theres a thread about him, 3 or 4 yrs old) who worked in either the old Accington council or County offices as a receptionist/telephonist would be tad upset at seeing how easy it is to get onto disability list these days .

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Ok Steejack but this thread was started by a commited tory complaining about the new rules.. then we get another commited tory saying get rid of this government.. when it has been pointed out that if the next government is tory the rules will be more stringent... these people backtrack and start saying they "imagine" any tory government will weed out the slackers.. is that not what the present goverment are trying to do?

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No wonder he wants people off the sick, he'll need to fill these jobs from somewhere and it's better to have someone with at least a little experience, even if it is only lead swingers and malingerers that can fill the positions.
:D

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By the way, I am one of these malingerers that has been declared fit.

The Doctors comment on summing up was,
So fit for work but acknowledged as having a disability by the examining Doctor.

I obviously didn't get the 'correct medical help', during the time I was on incapacity benefits, or I wouldn't have been on that benefit for over a year.

Now that I am fit and well, (though still suffering from the aches pains and inconvenience of my 'disability'), I'm still not getting the 'correct' medical help.

But it's nice to know, I have seen the system treat at least one horrible scrounger to his just deserts!

It could have been worse, if I'd managed to hang on, and 'IF' the Tories get in, then at the very least I no doubt would have been branded or had a hand chopped off for my deceitful use of the system, (that would encourage me back to work).

http://www.tiptopglobe.com/skin/smile/s7024.gifhttp://www.tiptopglobe.com/skin/smile/s8403.gif

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In which farmyard did you find this biomass?

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She was part of a job lot, first we got the son now we have to put up with the person involved in that 'virgin' birth.
:)

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I can only write about Parkinson's, because I'm involved with the Parkinson's Disease Society, and I happen to have it.

I only had to attend one interview. The man was very nice. In fact he was quite emotional, and said he was very sorry that I had it.

My only hope is that one day soon they will find a cure.

Work was my life. I loved it, and even went in, or did work for others, when I had time off.

I'm not going to post a sob story, saying woe is me, but in the last nine days I've not left the house. My mum tried to get me to walk, in the Easter sunshine on Saturday, but I only managed to get the two yards to my garden gate, and had to go back, my brain being unable to tell my feet to move.

When I was diagnosed six years ago, aged thirty nine, and was told by the neuroligist that I'd never work again, I was heartbroken. I felt my skills would be wasted. At that time it only affected my dominant right side. Slowly I managed to learn to do things with my left hand. Over the last year it's become apparent that it' now affecting the other side of my body too. Because it now affects my now stronger, non-dominant, left hand, and typing with my one finger has become noticably more difficult, I didn't use the computer at all for a few weeks before Christmas, so I wouldn't notice this change. Out of sight, out of mind etc.

Besides the tremor, and restricted movement, there are other less well known side effects of Parkinson's. Visual and aural hallucinations, periods where you don't sleep at all for 72 hours, which lessens the effects of the drugs, and periods between drugs wearing off when the pain is so acute that tears are the only release.

There's a high probability that withinn five years I'll be in a wheelchair, unable to speak, and reliant on someone else for my total care. Sadly I've got to know other people, diagnosed with young onset Pd, who are at this stage. Even now, without my family's help, I couldn't enjoy living independently. I don't know how long this will continue.

Parkinson's isn't unique, there are sadly lots of degenerative diseases and conditions, which make work practically nigh on impossible.

If I'm reinterviewed, so be it.

I look forward to hearing what career options are open to me.

Sadly basket making would be an impossibility, and even shaking a tambourine to a recognised beat, wouldn't be an assured thing.

:D

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Just as a little extra to this post, my case went to appeal I had to sit before two gentlemen and be judged, many questions were asked and answered, by my side was a very nice bloke from one of the advice places.

My appeal was denied, when we got outside my nice man told me that in his opinion, I would have got the appeal except that I had been too polite! Yes, it does seem strange, that I should have to resort to bad manners to win such an appeal, then another thought struck me, if I had known this before hand, I could have gone in, imagined these fellows as Accyweb posters and treated them accordingly,

I'd have been quids in and probably would have been given a rise in my benefits as well.
:D

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That's probably why they told me they never wanted to see me again.

:D

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This is what the new sick note looks like

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2010/ima...0100137_en_001

I retired early and was on incapacity benefit for a few years.
I had one of those 'medicals' at King St Blackburn.
Beforehand I went to the trouble of obtaining The Disability Rights Handbook.
That point scoring system that was then operating was full of 'traps'
(eg - can you carry a 5lb bag of potaoes? scored nil - 15 points was needed to 'pass')
It was very handy to know which aspects of disability scored highest and which didn't, so that the course of the exam could be directed by you to emphasise them.

I 'briefed' several other people on these points, (if they asked me for advice in advance of those 'medicals'), and all of them 'passed'.

The rules are different now but I have confidence that anyone who buys a Disability Rights Handbook will be making a very sound investment.
Disability Alliance UK (United Kingdom) Home Page

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Like Garinda I remember the day I was told I wouldn't work again, I too was devastated and for six months was very depressed, but then I decided to make out of life the best I could. In those days you attended a medical centre every 26 weeks, where you had a full medical. The second time I went it was the same doctor I saw on my first visit, he look at me and said, I've seen you before haven't I, I replied yes the last time I was her, is next statement was soul destroying, he said why are they wasting my time your time and their money keep sending you to see me, you are never going to get better you'll only get worse. That's when you realise life will never be the same again

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Both you and Gary were young when you were told that, so it must have been devastating.
I had turned 50, and had worked 35 years full time. I heaved a sigh of relief.

When you have spent a large chunk of your life identifying yourself by your occupation, it is like losing your identity.

People who are in work should realise
you are not your occupation so when you are asked 'what do you do?', don't say 'I am a xxxxxx'
...better to say 'I am a wage slave' :D

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I was lucky, in that I did a job I'd spent years at art school training for, and I loved it.

I'm still lucky, very lucky.

Life today is just another chapter in life's book, that I didn't see coming.

Though if the next chapter features a care home, and endless days sat in front of daytime telly, sat in an armchair stinking of pee, I plan to rip out those last few pages.

:p

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No no no! Don't be that cynical!

I'm self employed and work as many hours as the need for sleep will allow. I love it, it gives me purpose, and when I shuffle off the perch in 50 years or so I want to know that I've left the vaguest imprint on the world by trying to make things better every day.

I run two businesses, one in videography and one in landscape gardening. I'm half indoors and half outdoors every week and it's fantastic to be able to see a physical end result after I'm finished in both lines of work.

Being forced to give up work would probably finish me off, I don't know how to do anything else!

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Work is a means to an end - income for survival.
If you happen to enjoy it, you are fortunate.
I did too, for most of my career.
Spare a little time in your busy life to plan for retirement activities.
Retirement may arrive earlier than you expect.

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You're right about the means to an end and you're also right about being fortunate to enjoy it. I wake up every day knowing that something fantastic awaits me either in my home office or in the garden of one of my regulars. I have a fantastic wife and a nice little house, life tastes good.

'Retirement' is still one of those words that, whilst hopefully still being a long way off, is close enough to cause discomfort. The bride and I have made good provision for retirement and I do plan to enjoy it but I'm young and full of enthusiasm for everything at the moment so I'm going to enjoy that first.

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I did.

Paid my all pensions etc, and planned to spend my dotage painting in Brittany, drinking wine, and being a lecherous English eccentric.

Now my only hope of artistic release is to become a human brush.

A tool in the next Yves Klein's mit.

http://becksearlescott.files.wordpre...ance-klein.jpg

:D

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Sounds like ya got it just right,Ken.:)

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My dad planned his retirement at fifty.

Did just that...and was dead at fifty one.

Happily we don't know what's just round the corner, and some things you just can't plan for.

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Believe me Ken it wouldn't finish you off, in time you would come to terms with it and then cut your cloth accordingly, its not easy, especially at first, but believe me you DO get there in the end

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I agree, you do make the best of it.

I never thought I'd move back up here, but that's been the best thing that's happened to me.

I also never thought I'd pass my time by becoming a semi-professional thorn in the side of those who demand a good prick.

:D

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Never heard you called a prick before Grainda:rolleyes:

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Sadly there isn't a Pinocchio smiley, with a growing nose.

;):D

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Bet Less as one:D

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How sad,

I have, several!

http://www.freefever.com/animatedgif.../pinocchio.gifhttp://www.freefever.com/animatedgif...pinocchio5.gifhttp://www.freefever.com/animatedgif...pinocchio4.gif


http://images.paraorkut.com/img/pics..._suck-3019.jpgThis ones for me.

:D

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I know you so well Less:D