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That ulcer of your will be getting bigger.

HBC only put £7000 in as match funding for the £100,000 that The Friends of Rhyddings Park secured while working with the Parks Department.

In other words HBC are getting a £107,000 development for only £7,000. Sounds to me like a very wise investment of £7,000.


And you did not insult just one of my mates, you insulted everyone who has worked damn hard in securing £100,000 of lottery money that would not have come to Hyndburn if they had not worked so hard.

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I've been guilty of teasing Neil, and others, but their involvement with projects, to better facilities like this, are purely non-political.

Anyone who knows Neil knows he wouldn't betray his principles, whatever the prize.

Besides, being a bit simple, he'll be anyone's friend.

:D

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Nothing wrong with that, community groups have done some sterling work across the borough for years and in many cases has made a better job than the council.

Finding £7,000 to match fund isn't quite so easy when you're simply an opposition ward councillor in Rishton. Try it.

Re: Just before the robbing Tory budget
 

This is turning into a Labour against Tory rant again. And that is just what I meant when I commented on previous occassions when threads have degenerated into name calling by our local councillors that would rival any school yard argument. Perhaps getting the facts right might not be a bad idea before having a go in future. Well done to all who worked so hard to secure the majority of the funding for the Rhyddings Park project

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The £7k had nothing to do with any Councillor, just Council Officers using there budjet sensible and wanting to convert £7K of public money into a £107k development.

You try and build a MUGA for £7k, it would not cover the cost of painting the lines.

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No its not because the only political person is a Labour one. I don't do politics.

It wont while I am around

Am I being bad again :rolleyes::D

Thank you for the kind words. Many people both within several sections of the Council and our group have worked very hard. There were some difficult obsticles to overcome with it being our funding and Council land. I believe this project will have paved the way for many other using the same lottery funder.

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Nothing to do with any councillor? You might want to think that through again.

Might have been better to let someone like yourself have more of a say in the publicity then.

Nothing like a good bit of fishing, is there?

:rolleyes:

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Well you are such and easy catch and I am in a very strange mood today :p

Not sure if I am comming or going or what the hell I am doing so I thought I would have a laugh and cheer myself up. Thanks for making me smile, karma given :D

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Careful with that.

You may find the thread disappearing.

:rolleyes::D

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That could never happen on Accy Web, could it:eek::eek::D

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With just seven days to go until the fateful 'emergency' budget, the axe is hovering at HBC and several projects look set to be chopped.

I for one will not be sad to see the back of the Whitebirk Phase II project, a lovely little piece of bureaucratic empire building and totally unnecessary. The job creation estimate kept going up in line with its unpopularity until it was over ten times the original figure.

An unnecessary bus lane on the A666 - ta ta.

The house-building scheme when we have an offical figure of 2,000 empty properties - bye bye baby.

A new car park at the Civic Theatre - erm....

The big question of course is the Area Management calendars - will they or won't they face the axe?

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Great you'll have to have fun 24/7 then:D

Re: Just before the robbing Tory budget
 

Who owns these houses?

Re: Just before the robbing Tory budget
 

Primarily out-of-town property developers who couldn't give a toss about Hyndburn and will buy up cheap houses and leave them to rot until the market is right for piling money into them. We need strict regulation on landlords which, unfortunately, is not entirely within HBC's remit and is controlled at national level by the government of the day.

The new government may decide to look at things in a new light but as it stands there is a hefty validation time for regulation schemes before it can be rolled out further and the one in the five Hyndburn wards hasn't even started yet (October, I think).

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Of course, the other option would be to buy up the delapidated properties and renovate them but for some infathomable reason there is resistance to get back into social housing, the reason stated that it would cost too much and would provide unfair competition for existing landlords.

Several thousand private landlords manage to turn a profit every day but a council can't do this?

A better scheme to whittle out the chaff would be to buy a block of empty terraced properties and do them up using council money. These houses would then be sold to first time buyers from within Hyndburn at cost with the proviso that they were not to be resold as rental properties within ten years. The money from each sale could be used to buy up further empty housing and you end up with a self-perpetuating scheme that slowly regenerates the borough for around half a million quid.

I doubt it will be taken seriously as an idea.

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I have just removed several posts asking why posts were removed. This should be asked by PM to a mod. Asking in the thread is off topic and against the rules

Several other posts were removed because they were chatting in the thread. Please create new threads or use the PM system to ask off topic questions with another member

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I apologise. Every other thread I read on Accyweb goes off topic but seeing as I thought we were a friendly bunch I didn't think anyone would mind me asking one small question:dummy2:

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The thing about budgeting is the need to be consistent.

You shouldn't blow everything one day, and have nothing left for the next.

Educating others about budgeting needs an even hand, otherwise confusion reigns.

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Unfair competition for private landlords?.. and so here we go again.
We had the same policy under the Tories in the 80's.. the obsession with regenorating mashed up housing by the private sector simply because of the idealogoly that the private sector can re-develop housing better than councils, the result is high price rents, bad back up on repairs, and at the end insecurity of the tennent.. and after all that the properties get off loaded to some housing association.
It's about time this country started to build houses for people and stop relying on the old stock.

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you are joking mate after this budget i even fear fer cardboard city.:eek:

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At this time, absolutely not.

Hyndburn is nearly 90% terraced streets, the vast majority of which are still structurally sound after well over 100 years so why build poky shoeboxes during prudent times when renovating what we have is not only cheaper but more senisble?

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Absolutely spot on Ken, some houses that were built over a 100 years ago, will if maintained, be still be going strong well after these new builds have been dozed

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Don't want to keep grinding on about this but the cuts announced this week have been in job creation for under 18's while at the same time cutting billions form higher education and universities..cuts in projects for British industry..in short cuts for the average hard working people.. we were told it would be hard but I'm still waiting for the cuts on the the rich tax dodgers that funded the Tories in the last election.. I won't hold my breath.

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I do apologise... I should have made it more clear.. these cuts are a proclamtion that the ******* now in charge have decided there is no future for this country.. all the cuts so far have been in investments for our future.. It's easy to say but where are the Tories on here now?.. most of them jacked out in the last days of the election and never came back :D

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Come on Mancie , where's your self reliance and pioneer spirit ..... get out there .. 40 acres and a mule and sod the 'white' man . Don't be a rat in the Capitalistic maze. ;) :D

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Whats the point in trying to debate with a bigoted drunk with red tinted glasses:D:tongueoutBesides maybe the Tories on here will just take the same stance as did claytonender, Robert Owen, oops sorry Bernard Dawson, Graham Jones, when their Comrades in the last government came under fire on here, and well just disappear:rolleyes:;):D

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http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/m...colm-eric.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/m.../hyndburn.html

jaysay Congrats on your election last week Malcolm good result
John

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Re: Just before the robbing Tory budget
 

You have a very Weird sense of humour, never have seen that as funny:confused::confused::confused:

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Don't you?

I bet others do.

You knowing who the member hyndburn was, when it was a mystery to everyone else, and that he also has two usernames, hyndburn and malcolm.eric.

That's not even bringing up the hilarious fact that he used both accounts to write about Cllr. Malcolm Pritchard in the third person.

That you keep bringing up that Bernard Dawson used to have the username Robert Owen, is funny.

Ironic, but still funny.

;)

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Mancie, you never did answer the question I posed as to where you would find the money to fill in the financial black hole that the last government left behind.

I will say it again as you obviously didn't understand it the first time(and if you think I am being patronising by telling you this, I'm not...I am just trying to make it plain enough for you to see) Whoever had got into power, be it Labour, Tory, or the Raving lunatic party there would have had to be swingeing cuts to public services. We have lived beyond our means for years and now the bailiffs are knocking on the front door wanting their money.

I don't suppose you would have been sqealing so loud had it been Gordon and his crew back in number 10.......but the medicine would have been just as nasty...but pink......so that it would have tasted better!

Re: Just before the robbing Tory budget
 

A very childish response but not unexpected from a lame duck Tory supporter... it's sad to see a life long Tory having to fend for himself when he is no more use to his party. :(

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I think I did answer your question when I said all governments are in debt at present.. and I would find the money by taking on those who earn millions but, by "creative accounting" pay less tax than a milkman.. I would abolish the endless list of consultants and review boards that this Government have created within a few weeks...this lot don't know what to do and so they ask reveiw boards at a cost of millions.. you defend this Government all you like but most of us ain't fooled by the constant moaning and whinging about the last Government.

Re: Just before the robbing Tory budget
 

Sounds a little like socialism.

Hang on, didn't we just have three consecutive governments who sing about the Red Flag at their party conferences?

I must be a bit muddled, because for the past thirteen years those governments have toadied up to the City boys, and big buisness financiers, and made this country the destination of choice for every low tax paying, dodgy zillionaire in the world.

:rolleyes:

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I am not, repeat, NOT defending anyone. How can I defend a government that I didn't vote for ?
What I have to defend, is the fact that someone is recognising that speedy action has to be taken to remedy what is, an awful debt.

I am just living in the real world where goods and services have to be paid for.
Unlike you, I do not blindly follow a political dogma regardless of what a logical analysis of the situation shows. And that isn't patronising either, despite what you might think.
I am just telling it like it is.

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That's by choice, at least I did do something constructive during my time and didn't look through the bottom of a glass at current affairs all my life:thefinger:thefinger:thefinger

Re: Just before the robbing Tory budget
 

Depends on what you call "constructive"... if you were involved with the last Tory Government cutters then constructive would not be a word I'd use...once again the Tories can barely contain their glee at having the opportunity to rape, slash and burn any sort of public spending beacause
its all about ideology....they would have done this even if we were in good times, it is their whole reason to exist.

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Maybe if we had had a decent government for the past 13 years who lived within their means, hadn't screwed the pension schemes up deregulated the backs, Sold of the gold reserves at rock bottom prices saved for a rainy day, instead of squandering the best inherited economic figures every by any incoming government, things would have been so dire as they are now, the country was damn near bankrupt by Brown and Darling, yet it seems only Mancie can't see it, in 1997 this country wasn't over a Trillion pounds in debt, it is now and we have to start paying it back, just like anybody else who goes into financial melt down and Great Britain PLC is in financial melt down courtesy of messrs Brown and Darling what ever platitudes you or your ilk care to put forward

Re: Just before the robbing Tory budget
 

Same old story and we will end up with the same old outcome.. only this time it's more like 4 million unemployed...the goverment that won the election 1997 came in as the poor man of Europe.. a laughing joke economy .. it took five or more years to get us back into a economic force within the EU.. no more of the Thatcher/ Lamomt beggers.. You and "your Ilk" had this country on a knife edge with mortgages intrest rates.. poor wages..and people that were on a reasonable income renting dumps... and it's all going to happen again.. bleat on all you like about how good we had it under the Tories and Thatcher, it don't gell with me .. my son!

Re: Just before the robbing Tory budget
 

Same old Mancie take Red glasses of and see whats happened over the last 13 years, we are in a mess through nobody else's fault but the irresponsible financial dealings of Brown and Darling and once again the Tories as always have to clean up the mess left by the crap government you so richly supported my Son

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Ah yes.. such a mess we have been in it's a nightmare.. lowest pay back motages in history.. lowest inflation in history.. highest standard of living in history...such a mess... I'll take any bet you like that inflation rates.. interests rates and unemployments rates double within the next 2 years.. any bet.:D

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The only reason for that is borrowing borrowing borrowing and more borrowing, but there's a time when you have top take the sunglasses off and look at the real mess, you can drive round in a roller, but doesn't mean you can afford it,, since we started the jobs for votes in 1997 we now employ over 1 million more civil servants with gold plated pensions which are sustainable, well they aren't in the really world, which unfortunately its somewhere you have never lived

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If we employ I million civil servants we don't need, why are you lot setting up review boards all over the gaff, made up of civil servants?...why not just sack them?

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Employment law forbids it.

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What is happening now is to pay for the debts we have accrued whilst a Labour government was in power.
A Labour government which falsified the employment figures......so that it looked like there were less unemployed people.
The same Labour government which misled the country on the size of its debts, which allowed the banks to do some very dodgy dealing and then bailed them out with our money.

You berate Jaysay for spouting the 'same old political dogma'.......and yet you do exactly the same thing.

I do not care one jot about the colour of the coat the government wears, as long as we have a government with the cojones to tell us the truth and sort out the financial mess that we are in.
The mess that Labour swept under the carpet for God knows how long.

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Oh dear.. looks like we will have to get rid of the Employment laws before the Tories sack all the review boards they have set up.. things could get nasty :D

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And all this from someone who dragged her sad arse up to the polling booth only to mash up her vote... and to top it all came on here to tell all those who did vote they had been conned..if you did not stick your vote in don't get into the aftermath.

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Yes, you are right......I did go to the polling booth......and the reason for that was, so that I could say that I had done that.......not sat at home festering(and could be called lazy, which anyone will tell you I'm not).......and what I did with my vote was to do something that is my prerogative ....vote according to my conscience....not to follow blindly a political dogma that I couldn't identify with.
You see, I do have a conscience, and it would not let me vote for any of those who were down on that little slip of paper.....let alone another term for a Labour government that had run us into the ground.

Show me the post where I came on here and told those who voted that they had been conned.......I do not believe that I ever made such a post.

And Mancie, please do not tell me what I can,and cannot do on here.
I believe that is moderators territory....and the last time I looked you weren't one

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'Labour MP Graham Jones says his constituency of Hyndburn has had the biggest cuts in Britain - nearly £3m at a district level. As he goes on, noise levels rise, Mr Cameron says there will be difficult decisions and everyone should be "honest about that"

BBC News - The Full Story: PM's Questions

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Graham's bit is about 29 minutes in, standing up doing what he said he would do and being a voice for Hyndburn. Nice to see that he got as direct a response from the Prime Minister as he would have expected from Peter Britcliffe.

It doesn't help Hyndburn one bit that the Leader of the Council is recklessly spending all the money in the pot as fast as he can and that next year's council (whichever party they are) will be financially screwed.

He's been applauding himself on having a net underspend of £1.9m this year but what he has failed to let the elctorate know is that £690k of that is actually what they voted as an increase in the budget so they haven't saved more at all.

Rather than either save it or use it to reduce the amount of cuts that need to be made, the Conservatives are spending it on massively wasteful projects and it needs stopping now:

£300k extra on top of the £400k already spent on the Civic Theatre, £20k on a planning document for Hill Top despite it being a Tory-run LCC project, £20k extra for Rhyddings Park, £115k extra for the unsuccessful Floral Market Towns project and £20k on a Play Pitch Strategist who can tell us what our playing fields need.

Another planned motion involves raising council borrowing from 60% up to 100% of its allowance while interest rates are so low so that they can 'invest in Hyndburn'. Can no one at the Conservative Party see the collossal flaw in this plan? Does the term 'negative equity' ring any bells?

All of that money could be saved, it is sheer waste and an excuse to get in the papers crowing about what he is doing for Hyndburn. The biggest kick in the nuts is allocating an extra £17k to Area Councils since we have all had our budgets slashed this year and we almost certainly won't see that money directly.

We are ruined next year and I want to make my firm opposition to these plans known here and now. Someone at HBC is alledgedly paid to read Accy Web and report back to the Leader's Office so whoever you are I hope that you're sitting comfortably in your job because it certainly can't be guaranteed next year.

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Just watched Prime Ministers question time on CSPAN our Govt channel which airs the House/ Senate Hearings etc .
Seems to the Prime Minister was a bit 'flumoxed/lost' about the location Mr Jones constituancy (Hyndburn) and had to be pointed in the right direction (general area) by his buddies sitting either side of him ,only when the MP for Hyndburn mentioned the neighbouring consituancy of Burnley did the Prime Ministers light bulb go on .

Re: Just before the robbing Tory budget
 

Maybe we need to change the name from Hyndburn to something else :rolleyes:

Re: Just before the robbing Tory budget
 

"crappyburn" may catch the PM's eye.. or "biglumpofbababurn".. maybe be a tactic you lot could employ, when you lick and slobber all over the Tories in an attempt to fend off the rape of whats left of your community.

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When you fling insults, like the ones in the post above, it is a sure sign that you have lost the argument.
Back to fragrant Bermonsey then!

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I don't have an argument.. I'm making the point that it is futile to even think this government give a toss about Hyndburn or anywhere else.. they are about to slash and cut anything this nation has ..carry on blaming it on labour.. but this is now and I don't believe it is needed.

Re: Just before the robbing Tory budget
 

Jealousy.

We have a brand new, local M.P.

His M.P. is leading Con-Dem, Simon Hughes.

Bless.

:D

Re: Just before the robbing Tory budget
 

You have a new MP and even those of us not part of the electors in Accrington congratulate your choice.. but then it seems most of the active members on here back the attack on the basic everyday income and employment in the country.. north south or wherever.. at least the MP for Hyndburn does not.. but you lot do.

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Not only did the last government spend, spend, spend, when there was no money left in the pot, and more manically than pools winner, Viv Nichols on speed, but knowing their time in government was at an end, they carried out a scorched earth programme before vacating office.

Hundreds of millions of pounds were committed to projects we have no money to fund, with no get out clause.

They've admitted doing this, and even left a 'jokey' note, that the country has no money left.

Very, very funny...not, and if you think that that is the action of people who are honourable, and even vaguely socialist, you're a bigger fool than you sometimes appear.

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Most folk up here are quite sensible.

They've lived lives, and been brought up knowing, that if there's nowt in the pot, there won't be jam, or even butter, on the bread.

Just be grateful that there's bread.

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My oh my.. the last words of the Edwardian age.. Charles Dickens and all that.. so now after all the hardship we must go back to shining up the doorsteps and god forbid any member of the family getting ill.. this maybe a windup but it will not be funny in the years to come.

Re: Just before the robbing Tory budget
 

North versus south.

Realism versus living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

YouTube - Ash does Cockney singing

Don't dilly-dally, the offy will be open soon.

;)

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I don't see anyone on here considering our current situation as funny.
I think we can all see it is dire......and it is dire because we had a joke of a government for 13 years...and who you would have us believe, should still hold the keys to the coffers.

I have lived through hard times, times when we burned furniture because we could not afford coal....so don't tell me about the hard times to come......I have lived them, and doubtless will live them and survive again.