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jaysay 05-07-2010 10:46

Would you let your kids
 
Couple threatened with social services because their children ride bikes to school | Mail Online
Don't know who is right or wrong here really, given the traffic on today's roads

cashman 05-07-2010 11:09

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difficult, given kids are 5, n 8, n given London Traffic, don't think its very wise to let em,:eek: then again threatening wi social services is using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut. IMHO.

'erindoors 05-07-2010 11:20

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I wouldn't think it was anyone else' business really. As long as they have been taught properly and are VERY street wise there shouldn't be a problem.
With it being London and the ages of the children in this case, I don't think I'd have let them to be honest....

BERNADETTE 05-07-2010 11:54

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Yet another example of being told how to raise our kids. These parents are the best judges of their childrens capabilities, they sound very responsible parents reading their comments. If they deem the children responsible enough then so be it, can't see a problem myself.

lancsdave 05-07-2010 12:04

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They will have to supervise them now seeing as sthe total goon at the Mail has drawn a map for every paedophile in the country :mad:

accyman 05-07-2010 13:56

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 826543)
They will have to supervise them now seeing as sthe total goon at the Mail has drawn a map for every paedophile in the country :mad:

if anything the person responsible for printing their route to school shoudl be hounded by the authorities for enangering the children but as long as the story sells papers whats a couple of kids safety :mad:

its not as though they are been left alone in the heart of london center either its a simple bike ride along a built up area

cashman 05-07-2010 14:16

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its very hard to judge, sod all to do wi social services, if they were a couple of chavs, reckon the world n his wife would be knocking em, but respectable folk,some think are better parents, well the "Mcanns" prove that theory wrong, i would never have let mine at that age, but thats me, its down to the parents n what they think is suitable. simple as.

jaysay 05-07-2010 14:39

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 826563)
its very hard to judge, sod all to do wi social services, if they were a couple of chavs, reckon the world n his wife would be knocking em, but respectable folk,some think are better parents, well the "Mcanns" prove that theory wrong, i would never have let mine at that age, but thats me, its down to the parents n what they think is suitable. simple as.

Think I have to agree with you there cashy, but like I said its different now than years ago. I can remember when I go my first two wheeler, the old lady told me I hadn't to go on the main road, I ignored her, she found out, I never got to ride the bike again, but times have changed

Margaret Pilkington 05-07-2010 17:52

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I think the parents will know the cycling abilities of these children, and I cannot see parents putting their children at risk.
Isn't cycling seen as a healthy 'green' pursuit with a low carbon footprint?
Aren't we trying to get our children off their bums and into physical activity?
It is time the social workers stopped meddling in normal family life and started to concentrate on the likes of the mothers of Baby P and Sharon Matthews....not a lot to ask is it?????

shillelagh 05-07-2010 18:04

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I was 7 when i went to school on my own ... cross the bottom of northfield road, cross the main road and then cross rising bridge road. If i didnt cross the main road at the crossing mrs shanks the lollipop lady would tell my mum .. and id get in trouble when i got home.

I know theres more traffic on the road now ... but still isnt it fair that kids nowadays have the opportunity to fend for themselves .. they do have to learn .. it helps them later on in life ...

jaysay 05-07-2010 18:04

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 826593)
I think the parents will know the cycling abilities of these children, and I cannot see parents putting their children at risk.
Isn't cycling seen as a healthy 'green' pursuit with a low carbon footprint?
Aren't we trying to get our children off their bums and into physical activity?
It is time the social workers stopped meddling in normal family life and started to concentrate on the likes of the mothers of Baby P and Sharon Matthews....not a lot to ask is it?????

I think Social Worker have a big roll to play in society, unfortunately they tend to always get things wrong, they poke their noses in where they're not wanted and ignore cases where they are wanted:(

garinda 05-07-2010 18:08

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 826602)
I was 7 when i went to school on my own ... cross the bottom of northfield road, cross the main road and then cross rising bridge road. If i didnt cross the main road at the crossing mrs shanks the lollipop lady would tell my mum .. and id get in trouble when i got home.

I know theres more traffic on the road now ... but still isnt it fair that kids nowadays have the opportunity to fend for themselves .. they do have to learn .. it helps them later on in life ...

We were seven too, when mum stopped coming to collect us.

Five does seem a little young.

Paedophiles must think it's meals on wheels.

Margaret Pilkington 05-07-2010 18:11

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These children take a well planned route along the back roads, they cycle on the pavement, and are usually met by a parent on the homebound journey......not much cause for concern there is there.

Letting children take responsibility for their safety is important....and I am pretty certain that these parents have alerted their children to 'stranger danger' too.

Margaret Pilkington 05-07-2010 18:13

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I was seven when I went to Peel Park.......travelling from the Woodnook area.......I crossed Manchester Road every day....and Ok there wasn't the same volume of traffic, but it is still a good distance for a seven year old to travel alone.......I was later responsible for the safety of my younger siblings on the same journey.......I would be eight by then.

garinda 05-07-2010 18:17

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 826608)
These children take a well planned route along the back roads, they cycle on the pavement, and are usually met by a parent on the homebound journey......not much cause for concern there is there.

Letting children take responsibility for their safety is important....and I am pretty certain that these parents have alerted their children to 'stranger danger' too.

I hate the culture of wrapping up children in cotton wool, and never letting them toughen up to the realities of the world.

Even in the care of an older child, a five year old travelling a mile, is a bit risky. Traffic isn't the only concern, when they set off on a dark winter morning.

Falling of the bike, dogs, nasty kids, and nasty adults.

At five I'd take the child, on a journey of a mile.

Just my opinion.

garinda 05-07-2010 18:19

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The vast majority of us on here thought the McCanns were wrong to leave their young children, and that was only forty feet or so. Not a mile.

Margaret Pilkington 05-07-2010 19:06

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 826614)
I hate the culture of wrapping up children in cotton wool, and never letting them toughen up to the realities of the world.

Even in the care of an older child, a five year old travelling a mile, is a bit risky. Traffic isn't the only concern, when they set off on a dark winter morning.

Falling of the bike, dogs, nasty kids, and nasty adults.

At five I'd take the child, on a journey of a mile.

Just my opinion.

These parents know their children better than we do.

Of course there are dangers.....life is full of danger, but if we do not allow children to experience life then how will they cope when they get bigger.
I just think that social services have other, more important things to concern themselves over.

And yes, the Mc Canns were only a spit and a stride away...which only goes to show that you can be within shouting distance and your child could(not will ) be at risk.
The parents whose children were mauled by a fox were in the house at the time.......so it just proves that you cannot remove all risk from the lives of children, you have to teach them to build strategies to deal with risk and danger.

Just my opinion.....see I told you I was a pretty crap mother.

nicola68 05-07-2010 19:29

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Originally Posted by margaret pilkington (Post 826639)

just my opinion.....see i told you i was a pretty crap mother.


not!!!

garinda 05-07-2010 23:43

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 826639)
These parents know their children better than we do.

Of course there are dangers.....life is full of danger, but if we do not allow children to experience life then how will they cope when they get bigger.
I just think that social services have other, more important things to concern themselves over.

And yes, the Mc Canns were only a spit and a stride away...which only goes to show that you can be within shouting distance and your child could(not will ) be at risk.
The parents whose children were mauled by a fox were in the house at the time.......so it just proves that you cannot remove all risk from the lives of children, you have to teach them to build strategies to deal with risk and danger.

Just my opinion.....see I told you I was a pretty crap mother.

You looked a particularly fantastic mother, to me.

I agree with what you're saying, and I'm arguing with myself, but I still don't think a five year old can be equipped with enough common sense to deal with every possibility that might happen on a daily cycle ride of a mile, through one of the busiest cities in the world.

I was raised to be independent by both my parents, but they did happily teach me the breast stroke, instead of just first throwing me in the pool, to see if I'd sink or swim.

:D

garinda 06-07-2010 00:28

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Don't want to start another thread, but just came across this, while trawling through the papers online.

AN angry mum last night relived the chilling moment cops told her a paedophile was grooming her seven-year-old son - but would NOT divulge the pervert's name.

The terrified mother was forced to do her own detective work, trawling the internet to identify the convicted child sex monster.
Finally she discovered it was Sydney Williams, the man she knew as "kind Syd" who'd befriended the family, giving her boy money and presents.

Police warned me paedo was after my son..but refused to reveal his name | News Of The World

No way!

Well done Sherlock!

Who'd have thought it could have been 'kind Syd', the stranger you allowed into your child's life, and who lavished him with presents?

Some people should have to pass a test before they are allowed to have children.

accyman 06-07-2010 01:25

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to be fair rindy the kids arnt riding through teh busy center of london if you look at teh route its pretty much what you would get around the outskirts of accy and i dare say the child has ridden its bike with its parents previously and they know what its capbilities are and remember its a 5 year old girl so its mental age os probably 20 if its owt like my neice lol

as for the McCanns they were in a foreign country leaving a child to go get drunk and lets face it its not clear cut if leaving madeline alone was teh problem the parents could have killed her for all we know.All i know is that if my son had been taken in the manner they claim i wouldnt be laughing at anything and they both managed to laugh when pleading for their daughters return

accyman 06-07-2010 01:31

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 826675)
Don't want to start another thread, but just came across this, while trawling through the papers online.

AN angry mum last night relived the chilling moment cops told her a paedophile was grooming her seven-year-old son - but would NOT divulge the pervert's name.

The terrified mother was forced to do her own detective work, trawling the internet to identify the convicted child sex monster.
Finally she discovered it was Sydney Williams, the man she knew as "kind Syd" who'd befriended the family, giving her boy money and presents.

Police warned me paedo was after my son..but refused to reveal his name | News Of The World

No way!

Well done Sherlock!

Who'd have thought it could have been 'kind Syd', the stranger you allowed into your child's life, and who lavished him with presents?

Some people should have to pass a test before they are allowed to have children.

thats just plain stupid and somthing needs to be done about it.I know prents should be wary of strangers but when a friend buys your child a gift it shouldnt scream pedophile in your mind.A bloke up my street who i know regularly brings my sons back things but i have no reason to think hes a pedo but the police if tipped off about a pedos activity should disclose the identity of the pedo to teh parents no doubt about that

garinda 06-07-2010 06:50

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 826682)
thats just plain stupid and somthing needs to be done about it.I know prents should be wary of strangers but when a friend buys your child a gift it shouldnt scream pedophile in your mind.A bloke up my street who i know regularly brings my sons back things but i have no reason to think hes a pedo but the police if tipped off about a pedos activity should disclose the identity of the pedo to teh parents no doubt about that

Though you probably wouldn't let the man give your kids gifts of money, and let them go and visit a man you don't really know, by themselves.

;)

garinda 06-07-2010 06:54

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 826681)
to be fair rindy the kids arnt riding through teh busy center of london if you look at teh route its pretty much what you would get around the outskirts of accy and i dare say the child has ridden its bike with its parents previously and they know what its capbilities are and remember its a 5 year old girl so its mental age os probably 20 if its owt like my neice lol

as for the McCanns they were in a foreign country leaving a child to go get drunk and lets face it its not clear cut if leaving madeline alone was teh problem the parents could have killed her for all we know.All i know is that if my son had been taken in the manner they claim i wouldnt be laughing at anything and they both managed to laugh when pleading for their daughters return

Dulwich is probably as busy as the biggest city in Lancashire.

I really can't believe you'd be happy for your child to ride a mile each day to school, unaccompanied, when they were five.

accyman 06-07-2010 07:23

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 826695)
Though you probably wouldn't let the man give your kids gifts of money, and let them go and visit a man you don't really know, by themselves.

;)

it says he befriended the family so they did know him so the parents wernt sending tehir child off to a total stranger or letting a total stranger give tehir child cards and money it was a family friend.Unfortunatly they didnt know he was a pedo because we havnt yet started tattooing pedo on pedos foreheads.The Law is more at fault than either the police or teh parents for not allowing teh police to name offenders and until pedos are stripped of their anonominity pedos will continue to befriend families and harm children amongst many other tactics they have to gain access to children.

the guy must have been a convincing friend to not alert imidiate suspicion to himself but teh mother did what any sensible parent would do and set about finding out who it was and didnt stop until she found out who

garinda 06-07-2010 07:28

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 826699)
it says he befriended the family so they did know him so the parents wernt sending tehir child off to a total stranger or letting a total stranger give tehir child cards and money it was a family friend.Unfortunatly they didnt know he was a pedo because we havnt yet started tattooing pedo on pedos foreheads.The Law is more at fault than either the police or teh parents for not allowing teh police to name offenders and until pedos are stripped of their anonominity pedos will continue to befriend families and harm children amongst many other tactics they have to gain access to children

He was a stranger, that they befriended.

He wasn't family, or known to them before he met them at the boat club, and before he started lavishing gifts and money on the child.

They still can't have known him that well, when they let their seven year old go and visit him, otherwise they'd have known he had a history of sexually abusing children.

garinda 06-07-2010 07:31

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 826699)
the guy must have been a convincing friend to not alert imidiate suspicion to himself but teh mother did what any sensible parent would do and set about finding out who it was and didnt stop until she found out who

Only after being tipped off by the police!

The imbecile would still be letting her son go and visit that nice, 'kind Syd' otherwise, and God knows what the poor kid would have endured.

Ken Moss 06-07-2010 07:33

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 826699)
it says he befriended the family so they did know him so the parents wernt sending tehir child off to a total stranger or letting a total stranger give tehir child cards and money it was a family friend.Unfortunatly they didnt know he was a pedo because we havnt yet started tattooing pedo on pedos foreheads.The Law is more at fault than either the police or teh parents for not allowing teh police to name offenders and until pedos are stripped of their anonominity pedos will continue to befriend families and harm children amongst many other tactics they have to gain access to children.

the guy must have been a convincing friend to not alert imidiate suspicion to himself but teh mother did what any sensible parent would do and set about finding out who it was and didnt stop until she found out who

The Bill of Human Rights was set to be replaced with the British Bill of Rights which would have sorted things like this out.

The Tories, once in power, bottled it.

accyman 06-07-2010 07:49

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"When he came round to see us at our house, he brought my son little gifts and handed him a tenner."
hardly lavish

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But in classic paedophile grooming style, he'd moved round the country slipping unnoticed into unsuspecting communities.
no history in their area of been a pedophile so how could they have known.

im sory but i fail to see how these parents are at fault they met a stranger which everyone is to each other until they get to know each other and made a friend just like people do every day and friends buy friends children treats and cards just like many people on here will probably buy friends kids things and i know for a fact some people go as far as to call parents freinds aunty or uncle despite no family connection.They had no reason to suspect this man of been a pedophile he was very clever in what he did and by the sound of it hes had plenty of practice.He gained their friendship and their trust because they had no reason to think he was a pedophile.The mother was informed and she acted swiftly and as far as i can see deserves no criticism what so ever infact she acted where some would have sat on tehir arse moaning but doing nothing except blogging it on facebook.If pedophiles were that easy to spot no one woudl get abused.

granted statisticly children are abused more by family members or friends but you could have a friend of 20 years abuse your child and one of 3 years that didnt

just think your been a bit harsh on teh parents thats all :)

accyman 06-07-2010 07:51

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Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 826706)
The Bill of Human Rights was set to be replaced with the British Bill of Rights which would have sorted things like this out.

The Tories, once in power, bottled it.

the mother is pressing for megans law to be put into full effect i just hope she is successfull.

still dosnt beat executing them though

garinda 06-07-2010 08:02

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 826712)
hardly lavish



no history in their area of been a pedophile so how could they have known.

im sory but i fail to see how these parents are at fault they met a stranger which everyone is to each other until they get to know each other and made a friend just like people do every day and friends buy friends children treats and cards just like many people on here will probably buy friends kids things and i know for a fact some people go as far as to call parents freinds aunty or uncle despite no family connection.They had no reason to suspect this man of been a pedophile he was very clever in what he did and by the sound of it hes had plenty of practice.He gained their friendship and their trust because they had no reason to think he was a pedophile.The mother was informed and she acted swiftly and as far as i can see deserves no criticism what so ever infact she acted where some would have sat on tehir arse moaning but doing nothing except blogging it on facebook.If pedophiles were that easy to spot no one woudl get abused.

granted statisticly children are abused more by family members or friends but you could have a friend of 20 years abuse your child and one of 3 years that didnt

just think your been a bit harsh on teh parents thats all :)

Child abusers are always clever, and rely on the gullibility of people whose job is to care for children.

As for a tenner, given to a child, by someone you don't know, along with other presents, not being lavish enough for you, when would alarm bells have started to ring for you, when he took him away on holiday, and booked a double room?

jaysay 06-07-2010 09:09

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 826713)
the mother is pressing for megans law to be put into full effect i just hope she is successfull.

still dosnt beat executing them though

What about their rights accyman, you'd have Cherie Blair jumping through hoops on legal aid defending them:mad:


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