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Generally speaking, I have no time for our Gallic friends south of the Channel. However, I am now starting to develop a sneaky admiration for the way in which they put their own citizens first and completely ignore any of this european human rights nonsense.

Today, our garlic-munching chums began to implement the policy of expelling Roma (aka gypos or travellers) back to their country of origin, mainly Rumania and Bulgaria. These characters have formed squatter camps all over the place and as such crime rates have rocketed wherever they are to be found.

I saw a similar picture of our East European neighbours in Peterborough only the other week...camps set up in parks, by roadsides...even in the middle of a roundabout. What do we do about it? Absolutely nowt. And it is the same with our traveller friends who frequently visit Hyndburn, many of them from Southern Ireland. We can't even move them on - never mind kick 'em out the country. I think the last excuse in Church was that one of 'em was waiting for a hospital appointment.

The first planeloads left France today. Good news for the French, but I have a suspicion that they won't be in their home country for long but will shortly be turning up in merry England. What will we do? Probably give them housing, welfare, medical care and of course, legal aid to avoid expulsion.

Lets see what happens.

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Good grief Tealeaf I find myself agreeing with ya for a change;)

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well never much cared fer the Frogs meself, but good on em.:hothothot

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Me Too! :)

Best Regards - Taggy

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I think we should treat the Human rights act with the same disregard the Fenchies have for it and look after our own folk first.
It is the same with everything, the continentals seem to interpret the rules differently and seem not to be penalised in any way...the Brits follow the rules to the letter, and what do we get?.......a country that is full of undesirables.

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Its the British trait of the stiff upper lip and a sense of Fair Play Margaret, which is always held above everything else, that may have been great when Britain was at the forefront of world order, but its now time to say enough is enough, and take a leaf out of every begger else in the European union, and tell um up yours sunshine and on your bike:(

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Well done the French.

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The French have a history of this sort of thing. I wonder how many of the ones doing the booting out are the grandchildren and great grandchildren of the French who collaborated with the Germans in order to get rid of the Jews.:confused::rolleyes: And these are the same Germans who refused to leave France until the British, Americans and Canadians kicked their asses back to what the Russians left of Berlin:alright:

I had a chat with a Brit the other day (not surprisingly in a pub). He wants to move to Canada; but, he is overwhelmed by the hoops he will have to jump through to get in .... And here's one for Jaysay. Over here it's the tories who are super tough on immigration. I guess the bottom line is: if you don't have the cash to support yourself, or you don't have skills we need, you don't get in. Well, not legally anyway. There are, of course, exceptions. Haitians got a break, and thousands moved to Quebec (it's a French thing). Race, religion, nationality are not an issue.

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Eric, am I right in saying a boat has just turned up on the west coast of Canada with about 400 so-called Tamil asylum seekers on board?

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Well if 1 has T, it sure as hell won't have sailed from Dover.:rolleyes:

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No...all the way across the Indian and Pacific Oceans (But India being 50 miles away from the start point),

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Just been reading about this as I sat on the flush with my morning coffee, and a copy of the local rag: The Whig-(Sub)Standard. At present the rules go something like this: All of the so-called refugee claimants, some of whom paid up to $50, 000 to get here, were immediately detained ... that's ok, 'cause we got nice jails with great views of beautiful British Columbia ... Each claim for refugee status will be judged on its merits. And to be a refugee, Immigration Canada has to be convinced that a claimant faces death, torture, or having to watch re-runs of Oprah, if he is returned to Sri Lanka. However, if it is proven that a claimant is, or has been a member of the Tamil Tigers then he will be incarcerated because the Tigers are a terrorist organization.

Also in the Whig, which is now somewhere in my recycling box, were the results of a poll which suggest that over 60% stated that any refugee ship approaching Canada should be stopped in our territorial waters and escorted back to where it came from by the Royal Candian Navy. About 25% didn't give a damn, or asked for a beer, and the rest said they should be granted refugee status. Poll results here are shown region by region: respondents in Quebec and Alberta are more likely to want them escorted home without setting foot here ... I think the figure in Alberta was 74%.

Me ... I'm for sending them home.:alright:

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The French model for a quite a few things is beginning to seem like far better common sense than we have in England, fair play to them for getting their own house in order first.

It strikes me a rather bizarre that certain immigrants are eager to flock over here for a better way of life but then seek to replicate what they had back home by crying 'racism' at the first opportunity and being staunchly patriotic.

Or is my perception filter on the blink again?

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aint on the blink Ken, its bang on.;)

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Think I can agree with you there Ken, I just wonder why we can't ship these people out instead of housing them in centres so they can appeal against deportation on legal aid funded by British Tax payers, before disappearing into the countryside never to be seen again

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Regrettably John, the legal and political ins-and-outs of such things are way above the level of a humble local functionary such as myself.

My watchword for everything in this life is 'get your own house in order first' and it seems to be echoed by the masses but who are we to say what goes on in England?

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Exactly the reason i gave up wi these ******* ken. simple as.

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Quite right Ken I have always maintained that we are using laws designed for the 17 century in the 21st, its time we had a bonfire on Parliament Square of all the legal books and start a fresh with laws which are applicable to today and the future

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Just another thing too, why don't we reform Parliament along the way, all this pomp with Black Rod banging on the door at the STATE OPENING is a load of crap and a waste of time in my eyes, a simple, parliament is now open, lets get to, it would suffice:D

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The problem we have here, Ken, is the human rights industry. It's growth rate over the last 20 years or so has been substantially greater even than that of financial services or IT; there is now not a high street within the UK that does not have some legal firm offering 'immigration advice' or similar.

If only this was all exportable then the position would not be too bad; but of course it is not, because this industry is 100% dependent upon public subsidy. We may readily purchase French cheese, but can you imagine the Frogs purchasing British human rights lawyers? I think not.

What is particularly sickening about these characters is the way they will wring their hands as they plead how their criminal clients' rights will be abused, should they be returned to so-and so, while taking no account of the rights of their victims here.At the end of the day they then pick up a nice, juicy taxpayer's cheque. If lawyers do want to do this work, then stop public funding and let them do it as a matter of principle, or as they say in the legal trade, 'pro bono'. Then we shall see how long this industry will survive.

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Ah, there I disagree. Ceremonies like that are the building blocks of English heritage which have been in place for hundreds of years.

We've got enough people trying to erode our culture without having a go at it ourselves.

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I'm not saying do away with all ceremonies, but come on Ken the state opening of Parliament is a lot of tosh really, everybody wandering from the Commons to the Lords to here the queen make a speech written by the government, ged on wi it:D

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It's possibly not the most exciting thing in the world but it is an ancient English tradition, we've got precious of them few left that the PC brgade haven't ruined!

I'd rather abolish proper trash like The Jeremy Kyle Show or populist tripe such as The X-Factor which I see is making a return this evening.

I'll be out.

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Well unfortunately I can't go out, but I do have a remote control:rolleyes:

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I have no respect for France's attitude to 'foreigners'.
They colonised Haiti and enslaved the population, exploited the natural resources, then when the slaves successfully revolted the French demanded billions in 'compen' for losing access to those resources. That is bullying - just as they are doing now.
So they think that they are being invaded by Roma -so what? In my view the bullies are getting 'karma payback'

BBC News - France urged to repay Haiti's huge 'independence debt'
"The 'independence debt', which is today valued at over 17bn euros illegitimately forced a people who had won their independence in a successful slave revolt, to pay again for the freedom,"

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Aint a matter of respecting France, they are doing bloody right simple as.:rolleyes:

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My views on the French, I believe are well understood but in this instance (along with the Burka/Niquab) the French Government actually seem to be listening to their people. Now whether you agree or not doesn't really matter, what is important is that those elected are seen to be listening & acting upon their voters requests,(which I seem to recall was the reason for putting people into power) if only those values could be transferred to our present incumbents what a happy land we'd be.

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I take it from this, Margaret, that you will be putting up a couple of Roma families when they turn up in Accy.

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I don't have sympathy for the Roma people - so 'no'.

The point I was making is - any 'damaging' behaviour by persons, and nations, has repercussions.

ie. - you get back what you give out.

The fact that France is having a problem with 'invaders' is somewhat ironic

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Agree with you on this .... I think that you and I are a tad more conservative, in a positive sense, than is Jaysay.;):D. I think that the only things that Conservatives wish to conserve are their positions of privelege. No doubt, they would like to return to the days of The Anarchy, which gave rise to the rule of law.

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You raise an interesting point here .... the French Government does tend to listen to the people. And why does the French Government listen, when other authorities seem to ignore the wishes of the people:confused:

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Maybe because they have a history of (being) revolting;)

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The only privelege I have Eric is being a member of Accy Web:D :p

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Right on there, hon. Can't stand the sonsabitches myself ... the only good Frenchman is a French Canadian.:D Vive le Quebec! Vive les Vandoos:alright: However, one thing I gotta give them credit for is that they seem to believe there is more to democracy than putting a mark on a piece of paper every four or five years; and, they act on that belief. My neighbour has a bumper sticker: "Don't Bitch. Start a Revolution."

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Don't understand all this antipathy to the French , seems to me if the Brits had supported the French in 39/40 instead of retreating (evacuating/running away) at Dunkirk and stood and fought maybe the war would have been over sooner , but lets not forget the Brits had no Empire/Commonwealth troops to sacrifice/use as canon fodder , like at Dieppe or Gallipoli , lets be honest here, the Empire/Commonwealth death toll was a lot higher per head of population than that of the motherland :confused: ;) :rolleyes: :D

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And a well-liked and well-respected member, too. But you also have the privelege of living in the United Kingdom, a country with a system of law that applies to everyone.

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Thats news to me eric:confused::confused::confused::confused:

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Maybe I could suggest Alistair Horne: "To Lose a Battle: France 1940."

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Really:eek: I read it in the "Daily Mail";):D

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Have it in my bookcase , think its next to "the race to Fashoda" near to Von Slatins "Between two flags" and De Casson's "fighting the Fuzzy Wuzzy" , on the shelf above my assorted Cecil Rhodes and T E Lawrence biogs .. :D

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And me too:confused::confused::confused:

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:alright: :D:D

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Crime rate here is pretty low away from the major cities but invariably there is a dramatic increase when the mainly foreign travellers move into an area. This problem is usually solved by the Mairie (Mayor/Town Hall Staff) telling the Gendarmerie to get rid of the problem.
They do and are not too gentle or sympathetic and escort them 20 or 30 km down the road to the nearest wilderness area. They are unlikely to reappear although others do after a while, but communities soon get a reputation.

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A system of law, Mmmm. I have a national insurance number, pay my taxes including council tax, I put my name on a census yearly, I pay car parking charges, car tax and insurance. If I didn't do these things, I would be in trouble. Our laws apply to everyone but they certainly aren't implemented with the Roma. Ask each and everyone of them for a NI number and they would move quicker than their Vada could take them!;)

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They wouldn't know what you ment with NI number kikine;)

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Exactly, but the tax man would, why can't they be chased out on the laws that we are ruled by. A simple parking charge.
Once saw that done with two police cars, four car park wardens and a senior member of the district council to give them a parking ticket!!! cmon I would have done it for free.I have just had a fixed penalty fine for half parking on a grass verge think I might plead Roma!:mad:

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Well if we'd have done that the Americans could never have won the war all by themselves, as it was we had to drag it out because you were late for the first one so we knew you wouldn't get there on time for the second one.

And since then, well you've been kicking off & starting them yourselves & then we've been getting roped into them, seeing as how we're your mates ? :D So be nice to us.

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Remember SJ you ran away from Vietnam and Mogadishu, although you did manage Panama and Grenada on your own:D:D:D

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Yes, but they don't stay long in Quebec because you have the stupid language thrown down your throat at every turn, because most of the immigrants that come to Montreal or the rest of Quebec have to learn French, most of them go to other Provinces to start business and speak in English. And we don't let any Tom Dick or Harry in Quebec! we do have laws too.

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Haitians already speak French. And I don't see a problem with immigrants having to learn French .... I would love to see, in the rest of Canada, immigrants forced to learn and speak English (There's not much call for French in Calgary:D) Whenever I cross the border into the US, I always speak French to the US Customs; it underscores my identity as a Canadian.

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Born in Clayton:D

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If I spoke Lancashire Dialect, I would probably be arrested as a terrorist:D And I was actually born in Blackburn Royal Infirmary:hidewall:

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Are you sure it wasn't a gooseberry bush Eric:rolleyes::D

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No ... that's where I was conceived:theband:

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Ah just wondering:rolleyes:

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The trouble is the French always thought they should be top dog in Europe, we thought we were. We were both wrong. After 700 years of fighting each other what do you expect?
But give them credit, they follow EU rules they like and ignore the ones they don't like, result-they don't get put on or messed about with like us.

How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris? We don't know, they've never done it.

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Ya Gordon its always made me wonder why the French always want to be so lovey dovey with the Germans, after all it was the Brits they turned to in both World Wars to help bail them out:rolleyes:

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I see the EU has now put the boot into the Frogs over their policy of sending home criminals. The Frogs, will of course ignore it so I wonder now if we will see a few EU flags being burnt down the Champs Elysee? If there is a planned demonstration agaist those parasitic idiots in Brussels, then I may be tempted to join them.

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Are you sure it wasn't Queens Park Hospital? BRI never had a maternity unit....though I guess you could have been born in Casualty.

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I'd join you!

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You saying Eric was an accident Margaret:D

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Not at all John, but it did sometimes happen that babies arrived before the mother could get up the hill to QPH.

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Especially if they were on a push bike:D

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Diplomatic row breaks out between Germany and France over Sarkozy's expulsion of gipsies | Mail Online
Looks like our Angela and Nicolas aren't singing of the same hymn sheet;)

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Maybe they should resettle them in the Black Forrest so they can swamp Europe with clothes pegs.:hehetable

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The traditional Wood ones Beni ;)