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blazey 28-08-2010 15:02

Have you ever been...
 
a victim of some sort of discrimination in the workplace? And if so, how have you dealt with it?

I was once made redundant alongside a woman who was pregnant and she was convinced that the only reason I went was to try and cover the company's back for getting rid of her. As I was planning on going to uni soon anyway I didn't challenge it, but I found out that she did and was compensated.

I've just started a new job and I've noticed some signs of being treated differently by one of my managers on the basis of what I feel is my age. Because of this I've decided to join a union just in case it escalates and I don't know what to do if it threatens my job if I challenge it.

jaysay 28-08-2010 15:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 841178)
a victim of some sort of discrimination in the workplace? And if so, how have you dealt with it?

I was once made redundant alongside a woman who was pregnant and she was convinced that the only reason I went was to try and cover the company's back for getting rid of her. As I was planning on going to uni soon anyway I didn't challenge it, but I found out that she did and was compensated.

I've just started a new job and I've noticed some signs of being treated differently by one of my managers on the basis of what I feel is my age. Because of this I've decided to join a union just in case it escalates and I don't know what to do if it threatens my job if I challenge it.

Ask your Union Rep:rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington 28-08-2010 15:29

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I haven't ever been the vistim of descrimination in the workplace, I am sure that ACAS do booklets about such things and the steps to take to deal with it.

blazey 28-08-2010 15:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 841203)
Ask your Union Rep:rolleyes:

Are you stupid? My question was to raise a discussion on different types of discrimination, I just added my own situation into it so it wasn't just some out of the blue question.

I want to know if anyone else on the forum has been discriminated in work.

Margaret Pilkington 28-08-2010 15:31

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http://www.direct.gov.uk/.../Resolvi...rk/DG_10026557

Maybe the information contained here will help.

cashman 28-08-2010 15:33

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I sure aint but a good friend who was a nursing sister was, retired now but it affected her big time, suspect it was let go too far before she did owt.;)

Margaret Pilkington 28-08-2010 15:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 841214)
Are you stupid? My question was to raise a discussion on different types of discrimination, I just added my own situation into it so it wasn't just some out of the blue question.

I want to know if anyone else on the forum has been discriminated in work.


Maybe people will not want to comment on their own situations, and in any case that was not a very pleasant response.

John most certainly isn't stupid......you don't get to be our age by being stupid.

shillelagh 28-08-2010 15:34

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yes ... and it was sorted by my union rep ...

lancsdave 28-08-2010 15:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 841214)
Are you stupid? My question was to raise a discussion on different types of discrimination, I just added my own situation into it so it wasn't just some out of the blue question.


What a pathetic response. I would suggest you only put your own situation in to it because you only ever come on here when you want to be noticed :rolleyes:

jaysay 28-08-2010 15:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 841214)
Are you stupid? My question was to raise a discussion on different types of discrimination, I just added my own situation into it so it wasn't just some out of the blue question.

I want to know if anyone else on the forum has been discriminated in work.

To say your university taught, your very inarticulate in making your point:rolleyes:

Margaret Pilkington 28-08-2010 15:39

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 841216)

That link just brings up an error page, but if you google Workplace Discrimination and go to the YouGov site you might find that this will give you all the info you need.

Margaret Pilkington 28-08-2010 15:43

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Discrimination at work : Directgov - Employment

there you go.
That link works.

Gordon Booth 28-08-2010 15:57

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Hey, blazey. Have you got a death wish?
You're just out of university and appear to have an attitude problem due to it. You're in the big bad world now and if you're behaving at work like you just did on here no wonder your manager is watching you.

Barrie Yates 28-08-2010 16:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 841214)
Are you stupid? My question was to raise a discussion on different types of discrimination, I just added my own situation into it so it wasn't just some out of the blue question.

I want to know if anyone else on the forum has been discriminated in work.

I have been in managerial positions since 1969 - my last jobs controlling a a multi-national workforce were in 2008, so i have some experience. & your comments on this thread, particularly "Are you stupid?", would have guaranteed an early departure from any of my staffs. You need to learn about life, which does not start and end at Uni - you appear to be another example of my wasted taxes.

yerself 28-08-2010 16:49

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Have a look at this site:workSMART.org.uk


This page may be of interest: your rights: discrimination and harassment - from workSMART.org.uk

garinda 28-08-2010 18:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 841214)
Are you stupid?

Are you sure it's age related?

It may just be jealousy, of your charming, and exquisite demeanor.

Benipete 28-08-2010 18:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 841178)
a victim of some sort of discrimination in the workplace? And if so, how have you dealt with it?

I was once made redundant alongside a woman who was pregnant and she was convinced that the only reason I went was to try and cover the company's back for getting rid of her. As I was planning on going to uni soon anyway I didn't challenge it, but I found out that she did and was compensated.

I've just started a new job and I've noticed some signs of being treated differently by one of my managers on the basis of what I feel is my age. Because of this I've decided to join a union just in case it escalates and I don't know what to do if it threatens my job if I challenge it.

I'm getting confused (not difficult) Are you saying that you want the manager to get you pregnant then you can get made redundant and sue the firm or would you like the Union to step in.:confused:

In my experience Unions are just as bent as anyone else when cash is concerned.:mad:

SPUGGIE J 28-08-2010 20:27

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It could be it is a test of your metal. They set little erksome task designed to get under the skin to see how you react. Geting the job does not meen that they wont carry on testing you to see if you are the right choice. An interview qualifications and C.V. are only part of it so they carry on testing you to be sure they have made the right choice hence the 13 week breaking in period.

blazey 28-08-2010 21:33

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 841223)
Maybe people will not want to comment on their own situations, and in any case that was not a very pleasant response.

John most certainly isn't stupid......you don't get to be our age by being stupid.

Actually, many people do in this town just by the glory of being unemployed and having money thrown at them. You don't need qualifications, you just need a baby/disability/alcohol or drug problem and you'll be pretty much settled for life.

And don't tell me this isn't the case. I see it every day.

shillelagh 28-08-2010 21:51

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Have you not thought blazey ... you are a new employee to the firm ... so you will get all the rubbish jobs .. no matter what .. also get the brew up orders and go out for the dinners .... just because you are a new starter .. and until you been there a while .. then thats what you do .. everyone has done it ... and the above post ... i aint replying to .. when at the moment im sat here stinking of voltarol, a wheatbag wrapped round my shoulders and im still in pain....

garinda 28-08-2010 22:14

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 841347)
Actually, many people do in this town just by the glory of being unemployed and having money thrown at them. You don't need qualifications, you just need a baby/disability/alcohol or drug problem and you'll be pretty much settled for life.

And don't tell me this isn't the case. I see it every day.

I think you were lucky to find such a benevolent firm, who offered you employment.

I wouldn't.

Margaret Pilkington 29-08-2010 08:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 841347)
Actually, many people do in this town just by the glory of being unemployed and having money thrown at them. You don't need qualifications, you just need a baby/disability/alcohol or drug problem and you'll be pretty much settled for life.

And don't tell me this isn't the case. I see it every day.

They might want to tell you that they are unemployed, they might want to tell you that they are a single parent living off benefits...because that type of person will tell anyone who will listen,but I reckon those who have been in work and been badly treated or discriminated against may not want to publicise this fact to the whole world.

Yes I see these people who don't work too, they cannot help you, as they have no experience of employment, or so little that it matters not one jot, so why mention them?

Margaret Pilkington 29-08-2010 08:50

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I would also like to say here, that for someone who has managed to get through a University degree(which I haven't) you really should have been able to research the question you put to us, and find the answers.

I think it took me all of 10 seconds to find out what discrimination consists of and what to do about it....but then the post wasn't really intended to find out the answer to the question, it was to tell us that you are in a job, and feel you are being badly used.

You have a job...good for you.....just get on with it, develop those life skills you are going to need in the real world, the world where you have to earn your keep.

MargaretR 29-08-2010 08:58

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Don't you somehow hope that she ISN'T working at answering the phone for Samaritans ;) ?

SPUGGIE J 29-08-2010 09:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 841347)
Actually, many people do in this town just by the glory of being unemployed and having money thrown at them. You don't need qualifications, you just need a baby/disability/alcohol or drug problem and you'll be pretty much settled for life.

And don't tell me this isn't the case. I see it every day.


Not everyone gets shed loads of money thrown at them though. Those that do are milking the system because it lets them. I have a medical condition and still work because I can and am willing to because if I didnt I would not have independence nor be able to have a life. There are people that are out of work through no fault of their own and in some cases there is age discrimination and the "over qualified" guff thrown at them. There are people that have spent months trying to get a job writing out and sending out many C.V's in the hope of getting a job and getting no were. This is from people over the entire spectrum of job levels and have been offered nothing. You are lucky you got a job but perceive that there is something untoward going on in what is a normal in that place. Thing is going to uni might give you a piece of paper that says you can do a job but you still have to prove it first.

Hopefully some day you will realise that because if not you will be joining those out of work and possibly classed as unemployable due to the attitude you take. I have been on the receiving end and dealt with it my way and made sure I did not treat those who came after me the same as I was. This is the way that can slowly change things for the better and make you feel like you have won a small victory. There will never be an overnight solution to issues at work you just have to take it on the chin and rise above it. Just never forget what you yourself went through and accept it as the norm and start behaving like they do because as soon as that happens you are no better than them thus handing victory to them.

Margaret Pilkington 29-08-2010 09:02

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I really don't think they would have her, she doesn't appear (from what she posts on here)to have the appropriate people skills.

SPUGGIE J 29-08-2010 09:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 841419)
I really don't think they would have her, she doesn't appear (from what she posts on here)to have the appropriate people skills.


Now that is where the university of life wins hands down. No ammount of paper can give you them kind of skills as it is an experience of life qualification.

jaysay 29-08-2010 10:27

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I'm just glad I didn't go to university

heth 29-08-2010 10:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 841453)
I'm just glad I didn't go to university


You just cant help some folk John :rolleyes:

SPUGGIE J 29-08-2010 10:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 841453)
I'm just glad I didn't go to university

Were they around in the dark ages? ;):p

jaysay 29-08-2010 11:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 841457)
Were they around in the dark ages? ;):p

I'll get you at playtime ya young whipper snapper:p:D

Mancie 30-08-2010 02:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 841203)
Ask your Union Rep:rolleyes:

Thats a strange answer from a hard right Tory.. what union were you part of that was destroyed under Mrs Thatcher?

SPUGGIE J 30-08-2010 05:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 841491)
I'll get you at playtime ya young whipper snapper:p:D

If you can catch me. :p:D

Mind you it does beg the question does the way kids behave follow them as adults into the work place?

jaysay 30-08-2010 09:13

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 841671)
Thats a strange answer from a hard right Tory.. what union were you part of that was destroyed under Mrs Thatcher?

Never needed one Mancie old chap, people used to knock on my door offering me work pal:p

jaysay 30-08-2010 09:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 841676)
If you can catch me. :p:D

Mind you it does beg the question does the way kids behave follow them as adults into the work place?

Interesting point Spugs;)

SPUGGIE J 30-08-2010 18:13

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There are some around that carry on at work as they did at school and was wondering if it is a very small minority who cant change. If it is then we need to look at how we bring up our kids. I have worked with a few in the past and their attitude never changed. In a way it must become part of their make up that cant be changed or they refuse to change. Maybe Blazey has run into a few like this were she is. The last one that tried it with me back in the 90's while on the sites got a blooming great shock when he pushed me too far.

Retlaw 30-08-2010 20:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 841270)
I have been in managerial positions since 1969 - my last jobs controlling a a multi-national workforce were in 2008, so i have some experience. & your comments on this thread, particularly "Are you stupid?", would have guaranteed an early departure from any of my staffs. You need to learn about life, which does not start and end at Uni - you appear to be another example of my wasted taxes.

She's like a lot of those I've met over the years who've been to universtities and such, head full of knowledge, no common sense, mouth like Bournmouth, think they are better than others, and should be given special treatment.
Some of them never learn. She is going to get a big shock some day. Her log in name should be Gobby Bitch, not Blazey.

Retlaw

Pamperqueen 01-09-2010 16:42

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Could do with more info Blazey? I.e. is it that an older person with similar experience to you is being preferred, because that wouldn't be on.

However, though I went to uni, I expected to get barked at like a lackey at the start of my first 'proper' job. You get told what to and what not to to do - degree or no degree - if you dont have the experience.

After a couple of years with a really narky, patronising boss I moved on to greener pastures. Funnily enough though, we keep in touch because I know he was only tough on me because he thought I was good. He also appreciated the fact I listened.

It really all depends what your experiences are.

Less 01-09-2010 19:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 841178)

I've just started a new job and I've noticed some signs of being treated differently by one of my managers on the basis of what I feel is my age. Because of this I've decided to join a union just in case it escalates and I don't know what to do if it threatens my job if I challenge it.

I have been in & out of work for a few more years than you, one of the things is that I have noticed is that the younger people are treated differently to the older people.

If you don't like the situation you are in, be patient, give it thirty or forty years, THEN, you'll notice a difference.

;)

Less 01-09-2010 19:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 841835)
She's like a lot of those I've met over the years who've been to universtities and such, head full of knowledge, no common sense, mouth like Bournmouth, think they are better than others, and should be given special treatment.
Some of them never learn. She is going to get a big shock some day. Her log in name should be Gobby Bitch, not Blazey.

Retlaw

I would like to disagree with you...

I would like to...

but how can I?

Spot on.
:D

P.S. I notice that was your 2,000th post.

Ken Moss 02-09-2010 07:25

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Give self-employment a go and see how long it is before you hate the boss.

My employer is awful, I wish I could resign. This morning he dragged me out of bed at 6.00am and into the back office to get on with clearing the backlog. I've just been allowed ten minutes for a cup of tea and some breakfast but he'll be back on my case any minute. There's no union to run to and if I don't work the hours he says I won't get paid. His attitude is that I should be grateful to be so busy and just get on with it.

No matter where you work you'll probably fall into the routine of 'same ****, different day, more of it'.

lancsdave 02-09-2010 08:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Moss (Post 842344)
Give self-employment a go and see how long it is before you hate the boss.

My employer is awful, I wish I could resign. This morning he dragged me out of bed at 6.00am and into the back office to get on with clearing the backlog. I've just been allowed ten minutes for a cup of tea and some breakfast but he'll be back on my case any minute. There's no union to run to and if I don't work the hours he says I won't get paid. His attitude is that I should be grateful to be so busy and just get on with it.

No matter where you work you'll probably fall into the routine of 'same ****, different day, more of it'.

But if you're self employed you only have to work a 30 hour day, 8 days a week and 54 weeks a year. It's nowhere near as bad as a proper job :D

cashman 02-09-2010 09:06

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Thing is done it, got the T-Shirt, 15/16 hr days, 6 days a week, twas hard graft, no doubt, but loved it, beats the crap oer working fer someone else.:)

Benipete 02-09-2010 09:26

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 842354)
Thing is done it, got the T-Shirt, 15/16 hr days, 6 days a week, twas hard graft, no doubt, but loved it, beats the crap oer working fer someone else.:)

I hardly think that working 19th - 25th of December merits being called full time self employed.:hidewall::hehetable

kikine 02-09-2010 20:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 841835)
She's like a lot of those I've met over the years who've been to universtities and such, head full of knowledge, no common sense, mouth like Bournmouth, think they are better than others, and should be given special treatment.
Some of them never learn. She is going to get a big shock some day. Her log in name should be Gobby Bitch, not Blazey.

Retlaw

I for one find the word BITCH offensive in whatever text it is used Rudeness is not acceptable whether it is from a university student or a self educated man. You are just as bad!

odders 02-09-2010 22:11

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Originally Posted by kikine (Post 842489)
I for one find the word BITCH offensive in whatever text it is used Rudeness is not acceptable whether it is from a university student or a self educated man. You are just as bad!

Report it... Red triangle bottom left. Or PM the OP, because you are not happy with the post:rolleyes:. If you find the post SO offensive, you should of contacted the OP, rather than posting on a open forum, Making "You are just as bad!"

With regard to Blazey, she is a Forum Troll. Nice as she comes, she don't half come out with some crap:). Glad I furthered my education later in life, and took the hard graft early, with the constant learning:rolleyes:, not needing paper to tell me how good I am. Now I can sit on my arse (with loads of bog roll), whilst the trainees LEARN...

Oh yes discrimination all the way...remember
"There is always someone better than you"...I would quote it but, I wouldn't know who to:confused:

Romps 02-09-2010 23:09

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Yes and I confronted the person responsible (my boss), stood up for myself made sure I had the backing of my union and had all my facts correct. Kept notes, times and dates. I was firm and assertive, was not antagonistic or negative. It took a lot for me to do, but I gained so much respect from colleagues and self respect for myself. I went from strength to strength within the organisation and gained the respect from the person responsible.

My theory is: get it sorted asap, be prepared to say to their face what you say behind their backs. Always make people aware that you like to know where you stand with them, whatever the situation.

Good luck x

Retlaw 02-09-2010 23:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kikine (Post 842489)
I for one find the word BITCH offensive in whatever text it is used Rudeness is not acceptable whether it is from a university student or a self educated man. You are just as bad!

My dictionary shows
Bitch. Female of dog, fox, wolf. (derog.) woman especially a catty one.
I reckon my using of the word Bitch was pretty near spot on.
In some circles the word Bitch is in everyday use, and no one thinks it rude.
I can think of a lot more descriptions that are rude, but would not be allowed on here.

Retlaw

Mancie 02-09-2010 23:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 842517)
My dictionary shows
Bitch. Female of dog, fox, wolf. (derog.) woman especially a catty one.
I reckon my using of the word Bitch was pretty near spot on.
In some circles the word Bitch is in everyday use, and no one thinks it rude.
I can think of a lot more descriptions that are rude, but would not be allowed on here.

Retlaw

Maybe you should get up to date with the urban dictionary:

Bitch: A form of disrespect, a word used to describe the act of whining excessively: A modern-day servant; A person who performs tasks for another, usually degrading in status.
Or Biatch; A Gangsta term of endearment to a female, as in "bring a freind and bottle of vodka you skank Biatch"
:D
Whatever way.. it's an insult.

Benipete 03-09-2010 09:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 842519)
Maybe you should get up to date with the urban dictionary:

Bitch: A form of disrespect, a word used to describe the act of whining excessively: A modern-day servant; A person who performs tasks for another, usually degrading in status.
Or Biatch; A Gangsta term of endearment to a female, as in "bring a freind and bottle of vodka you skank Biatch"
:D
Whatever way.. it's an insult.

Or an MP's researcher.:hehetable

garinda 03-09-2010 09:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 842547)
Or an MP's researcher.:hehetable

Lol, be 'advised' you're receiving some 'special' karma.

:p


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