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I came across the following this morning. I can't fault the logic of it!

"I am perplexed that so many of my friends are against a mosque
being built near Ground Zero. I think it should be the goal of every
American to be tolerant. The mosque should be allowed, in an effort
to promote tolerance.

That is why I also propose that two gay nightclubs be opened
next door to the mosque thereby promoting tolerance within the
mosque. We could call the clubs "The Turban Cowboy" and "You Mecca Me
So Hot".

Next door should be a butcher shop that specializes in pork
and have an open barbecue with spare ribs as its daily special.

Across the street a very daring lingerie store called "Victoria Keeps
Nothing Secret" with sexy mannequins in the window modeling the
goods.

Next door to the lingerie shop, there would be room for an
Adult Toy Shop (Koranal Knowledge?), its name in flashing neon lights,
and on the other side a liquor store, maybe call it "Morehammered"?"

Might be tasteless and not very PC, but makes the valid point that tolerance is a two way process!

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Stop it, you just made me wet myself :D

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That makes two of us then :D:D:D

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Fair's fair.


Live and let stone.

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Perhaps a tad extreme ? Do you really need two gay bars ? Couldn't they slip in a bookies or a cat house instead ? ;)

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The bookie would be a William Halal.:)

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I take it they'd be betting on the Dogs ! Mind you, they do that Camel racing don't they ? Yes, wonderful thing tolerance.

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Well, is one of the best I've heard for a while:rolleyes:

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that made me chuckle!!!Thanks Gynn!!! :D

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There are tolerant Muslims.

Just as there are Christian nutters.

The type that send bombs to clinics that perform pregnancy terminations.

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Typical of the American healthcare system.

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These are not christians they are just redneck bigots
when I said tolerance was a one way ticket, I actually made a point in fun on the entertainment thread put on by kate, with regards to catholics, I asked, tongue in cheek, what the response would be if the play title had have been Muslim instead of catholic;)

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....and demonstrate at funerals of soldiers killed in Afghanistan, arguing that it is a punishment from God for the US being too tolerant of gays!:confused::confused: :confused::confused:

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You've got to wonder about America, really. My personal feeling is that a mosque at Ground Zero is in particularly bad taste and smacks of extraordinarily poor judgement in the name of equality.

'We must all exercise tolerance, unless there's a bit of oil up for grabs. Great Britain, you fancy coming along?' Someone tell Obama there's oil under North Korea, or Zimbabwe, or Palestine.

The problems would be 'resolved' by first post Tuesday.

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Probably earlier than that Ken;)

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If you read the more factual news reports instead of the ones that like to sensationalise things -

It isn't a mosque and it isn't at Ground Zero - this is all propaganda hype that's blown up out of proportion.

It's a community centre to try to build relationships between Christians and Muslims up, so that things like 9/11 don't happen again. And, it's about two blocks away from Ground Zero.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park51

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Gayle you spoil all our fun.

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Is she like that mucking out at pets corner Neil:rolleyes:

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I know that this proposal is for a community centre which will house the facilities of a mosque........and yes it might be two blocks away from ground Zero, but that is, in my estimation, too close.
The feelings of Americans are still very raw where this incident is concerned. Their feelings should be taken into consideration.

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:) Well put and based on facts .:)

The trouble is Al-Qaeda and other fundamentalist and extreme Muslims won't take the slightest notice .

But good on those Muslims who are promoting reconciliation .


Park51 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Just heard some good news from a chum of mine over at the Royal Mint. The figurehead of Britannia is to be restored to all British coinage from 2012.

The bad news is she'll be wearing a Burka.

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How will we know its Britannia Tealeaf:rolleyes:

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A Union Jack burka?:confused:

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How silly of me not to think of that gynn:rolleyes:

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Don't think so it'll only give them something else to kick off about, now if you're talking Burberry, even the Muslim Chavs can associate with that ! :D

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I work with Muslims. Each one of them was horrified by 9/11. None of them wear the burqa (full length garment with head covering) or niqab (full face veil).

All of them see themselves as British.

Clearly, however, there are some on this site who would disagree, going by the comments here. Even from the moderators, for God's sake.

Have you ever wondered if sometimes the way we treat others makes them behave in a particular way and that this is what causes the "problem"?

Didn't think so.

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That's grand hiddle, but what about the ones that insist on wearing the aforesaid items & make an issue out of it & those that won't integrate, speak the language (or even learn it) but insist things should be done their way & when not bring down threats of death & destruction (Jihad)?

Those are the individuals that bring about the comments & attitudes so often displayed within these pages. I myself have worked with many different people with different backgrounds, beliefs, faiths & Nationalities. Working together with all these folk & there has not been a conflict or clash of interests as we all adapted & gave concessions to one another, which sadly isn't the case in many instances in the UK that are highlighted on here.

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We could turn that around too, and ask that question of religious fundamentalists.

;)

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Think you've hit the nail on the head there Dave, don't really need to add to it:mosher:

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The reverse is certainly true, have you thought that?

Several years ago during one of the petrol shortages, a garage in Blackburn put a sign up outside saying 'Asians Only' and got nicely away with it.

During various conflicts with the Middle East we have had so-called 'British' Muslims travelling out of this country to fight for the enemy against the Allied Forces and then returning to Great Britain afterwards to resume life as a citizen here. The danger is tarring all Muslims with the same brush but my view is that you respect the way of life in whichever country you choose to live.

If I stomped over to Iraq or Afghanistan and started demanding things like bacon and eggs as a minority right then I would not expect a very warm welcome and quite rightly so.

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No Ken they'd throw you in jail, then deport you, double quick

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We already have stomped over to Iraq and Afghanistan. Your beloved Tony made sure of that when he was trotting meekly along behind good ole George. :rolleyes:

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Something else about being English, we are allowed to have a sense of humour.

Please refrain from using God's name without respect.

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I think that's the problem, although the moderates seem to go through the motions of decrying extremism in Islam, its only lip service and actually stands for nothing

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Just to add to one of your earlier points Hiddle, I've just read this, wondered how you feel about it ? I mean, how about the way they treat their own ? Makes you ponder doesn't it ?

UAE rules wife 'discipline' cannot leave marks - Middle East, World - The Independent

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A man with close links to Islamic fundamentalism and the backing of prominent racists could this week be elected as the executive mayor of a council, with almost total control over its £1 billion budget.

PICS AND PUBLISH Tower Hamlets extremist vote poses Ed's first big election test - Telegraph

I think we'd be pretty stupid to ignore religious fundamentalists, who are openly sexist, homophobic, racist, and intolerant of other faiths. Especially ones who take advantage of our country's liberalism, and welfare state, but whose stated intention is to see Sharia law replace British laws.

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You're assuming that I agree with everything that Tony Blair did. Bad move.

He was doing reasonably well until getting into bed with Dubya, after which the country seemed to lose faith in him....

I'm in the 'against' camp as far as the Iraq war is concerned and even the Russians couldn't control Afghanistan, which should have been a hint.

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Stop agreeing with me, Ken...you're making me nervous! ;)

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Your next task is to get Barrie to do the same:rolleyes:

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Of course you can provide evidence?

Didn't think so. Try talking to people from all walks of life. You'll learn a lot more than you will from the Daily Mail, Express, or for that matter Accyweb.

I cannot believe the level of ignorance I've seen in discussing race here, including from people who would lead us. You should hang your heads in shame. Instead, the racist clique has lost another member.

I know I won't be missed, but I can at least reciprocate with a clear conscience. I even know what one is.

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So why don't you stay and argue your point of view? :confused:

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Talking of blind, ignorance, who besides yourself, has mentioned race?

Islam is a religion. Practiced like many other religions throughout the world, by people of many different races.

Before we all hang our heads in collective shame, we'll take a few moments to ponder your ignorant stupidity.

Before you foolishly try and play the racism card again, don't return to the playing table until you have a little more knowledge, regarding this subject.

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They'll be too busy now, researching for information that might reveal the shocking fact that Islam isn't an actual race of people, to bother posing on here.

;)

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Was that a typo or deliberate? Hit the nail on the head, anyway! :D

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...and as a mater of record, I have no problem with a mosque being built near the site of ground zero.

There are lots of other places of worship in the vicinity, and people of many differeing beliefs perished because of those terrible acts of terrorism.

My gripe is with extremism, which can be masked by any religion.

My gripe is also with the fundamentalist, ignorantly blinkered, and just plain stupid.

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Oh I wish.

Sadly no.

More to do with St. Vitus.

God rest his soul.

:D

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Well, it made me laugh. Karma sent. ;)

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its you that should hang yer head in shame, yeh gotta be the dumbest member of this year at least. still i agree wi yer last paragraph- ya won't be missed.:rolleyes:

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Not even a tiny iddle bbit?

No?

Me neither.

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All in favour

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I would've liked to see him stay. He's obviously a bit of a pompous git and somewhat ill-informed in certain areas, but he seems to have views that are radically different than a lot of Accywebbers, so it might have led to some interesting arguments.

Never mind, we'll live. ;)

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The problem here Hiddle is that folk will always have different viewpoints on various issues & especially one as emotive as this ! Religion will always be a bone of contention even amongst our own Christian faiths (Sectarianism in Ireland & to a lesser degree in Scotland).

That alone is bad enough within our shores but when an outside religion is brought into the picture ! Many Immigrants have come to the UK over the years bringing with them their culture & religions, they may have been viewed with scepticism & mistrust, but while maybe not totally accepted at least these ways were tolerated.

"Ignorance ?" Possibly, but as the times have changed & these "Minorities" make greater demands into our quaint, British way (the one that allowed them to continue with their Cultures & Religions) despite being guests, they have become occupiers & demanding more & more as our own heritage & Culture regresses & is continually pushed to the back by the overwhelming burden of Foreign Culture.

Jaysay made a point with which you disagreed,( for your reference I've included a few snippets, so in your own time ... ) you then followed this up by claiming :-

I cannot believe the level of ignorance I've seen in discussing race here, including from people who would lead us. You should hang your heads in shame. Instead, the racist clique has lost another member.

I do not class myself as either ignorant or racist, so to that end I find your comments well wide of the mark (just my British nature of course allows me, to allow you, to make such accusations without any comeback or retribution) As I've stated elsewhere I've worked, played & generally got on alongside people of many colours, creeds, races & religions. Again this is due to my own personal sense of fair play & acceptance a very British trait I think you'll agree ? Well possibly not from your postings here.

So the crux of the problem doesn't necessarily lie with the great British public, but with those who seek to destroy our tolerant & accepting nature, those who on the one hand decry these "Atrocities" in public but who then in private condone them ! Please before you disdain our views look long & hard at what is going on all around us every day !

Moderate Muslims in Luton, UK were not Moderate The Human Rights Coalition Against Radical Islam

Amanpour: Radical, moderate Muslims battle for young English minds - CNN

Moderate Muslim head of UK TV channel held on terror claims - Jihad Watch