Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 858533)

The Tories and the Lib-dems claimed, before the election, that they were going to roll-back Labours attack on our Civil Liberties and the Survelience Society but it seems they are going to go ahead with plans to track all Internet use? Is this right if they do?

UK government to impose Orwellian-style surveillance

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 858572)

I too pondered this change of heart. That so often happens, when journeying from the opposition benches, to the seats of government.

Though I did support Labour's policies, wanting more security powers.

Valuing life, over civil liberties any day.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 858575)

That's what the Nazi's said and look what happened!

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 858576)

Lol, that's a lame a hand as playing the racist card.

I suppose we'll just have to settle on the fact that 'civil liberties' are a matter open to subjection.

One man's civil rights defender, is another man's terrorist.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 858575)

That's what the Nazi's said and look what happened! They burned down the Reichstag, which was blaimed on the Communists and then Hitler brought in laws which took away peoples right to democracy. That won't happen here you say :confused: What quality of life?

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 858579)

Maybe we should ban all religion, then we won't have people coming into this country with religous beliefs that may lead them to try acts of terrorism -then we won't need all this survelience. Because one form of freedom (religous freedom) seems to be leading to a form of attack on all our freedom and civil liberties!

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 858580)

If a civilisation decided everyone should have their own total liberty, there would be no contols in place to protect against the violent, the dishonest, those who saw childen as equal sexual partners, the racist, the sexist, the homophobic, and basically the downright insane.

They would all be afforded their own civil liberties, to carry on freely, as they liked, unhindered by any force of law.

Not a civilisation I'd particularly want to live in.

;)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 858582)

See, this is where you let yourself down.

For instance, the terrorists who bombed London were all born and bred British.

Agression, and hatred can be masked by many covers. Religion is just one of them.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 858583)

Who's talking about total liberty to do criminal acts! I'm talking about someone taking away my rights to privacy just so someone has the right to follow a religion that is taking away my rights - because some people who adhere to that religion want to kill people because of it ( or so we are told). Then we are not allowed to mention that because it may offend that religion and those people who want to do us harm.

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 858585)

So you want a society in which all e-mails and so on are read by some kind of Government Censor, who catalogues and files everthing to check if anyone is up to no good and also perhaps taking note of people's political views and so on and keeping a record of it all. Bit like in George Orwell's book "1984!" Is that the kind of society you would like? :D

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 858585)

So you want a society in which all e-mails and so on are read by some kind of Government Censor, who catalogues and files everthing to check if anyone is up to no good and also perhaps taking note of people's political views and so on and keeping a record of it all. Bit like in George Orwell's book "1984!" Is that the kind of society you would like? :D