“oppositional defiant disorder”
 

Psychiatrists regularly update their manual of conditions which they can diagnose as mental illness.

The latest update has a sinister addition
“oppositional defiant disorder” or ODD

CONFIRMED: Psychiatric Manual DSM-IV-TR Labels free Thinkers, non conformers as Mentally Ill - USWGO Alternative News
These are the full list of who all will be targeted by this new disorder created by the American Psychiatric Association
1. Free Thinkers – Because they get in the way of the police state and become a obstacle to authority
2. Non conformers – Because they will cause civil disobedience which will make things harder on authorities
3. Oath Keepers – Because they will actively refuse any orders from higher ups to shoot American citizens, confiscate Americans guns when this action conflicts with the 2nd amendment, follow illegal orders aka orders that conflict with the Constitution and the laws legally passed. Oath keepers teach people to be disobedient to any authority that breaks the Constitution.
4. Highly creative artists – Because they are wasting time in the police state society and so they must also work like clockwork to be a good slave in society or risk being thrown in a mental institution.
5. Anyone that questions authority – Because the authority is god and anybody that questions authority must be a troublemaker that wishes to destabilize a society and commit acts of terrorism.

.....If you are a dissident you risk being diagnosed as mentally ill and certified and incarcerated in a mental hospital. That is similar to what the Stalinist regime did with their political dissidents.

This is clear evidence that Orwell's 1984 is starting to happen in USA - maybe here next.

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You've missed out # 6:

6. Conspiracy Theorists - those that believe the world is controlled by an unholy concoption of aliens, freemasons, illuminati, the military-industrial complex, lizards, jews and non-vegetarians. To be treated with upmost caution and preferably locked up for good. Especially those from Accy, UK

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Well I don't think you should be locked up Tealeaf:rolleyes: :D

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And MargaretR?

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:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: I'm glad you said that Gordon, I daren't:D

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No no Jaysay, I meant did you agree MargretR SHOULDN'T be locked up, a simple mis-understanding. Although she does appear to be a rather wide rangeing free thinker.

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Thats our Margaret Gordon:D

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I've always been a coward, 'he who runs away lives' etc. Although reading the article, I fear MargartR might qualify!

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Thank you for that wonderful compliment:D

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It's a pleasure, MargaretR, you bring a breath of fresh air(sometimes quite heady) into this boring world.

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ODD is not about "free thinkers" but generally diagnosed in children who are defiant over even the smallest demand - like "tidy your room" or "brush your teeth" - but to an extreme level.

It has little to do with free thinkers and a lot more to do with a lack of acceptance that the rules apply to them too. Quite a lot of kids with autism have been diagnosed with ODD...which is a really bad choice of name/acronym. I can think of lots of "odd" people without them having ODD...

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I'm glad that you all think that this is a joke.

My Son has ADHD, was diagnosed late in life and has CD (conduct disorder) as well as ODD (Oppisitional and defiant disorder) which are co mobids of ADHD.

Until you have lived with a child or an adult with this, who are you to comment or make judgement?

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I'm afraid my take on things won't go down very well with you either.

Although, as with most things, there are genuine cases it seems that many of these buzz acronyms are applied to children a little too freely these days. Chemical solutions such as Ritalin are favoured over a more behavioural approach such as good old-fashioned discipline.

ADHD was not around in the 1980s and the threat of George the Slipper being wielded across your bare backside was quite enough to keep us all in check without the need for any expensive psychoanalysis or drugs.

Two years ago a local boy was caught vandalising my house and we took part in something called Restorative Justice which basically involved everyone sitting in a room with the police thrashing it out. This little boy came from a broken home and was diagnosed with ADHD, filled to the brim each week with some wonder drug which wasn't working, and after talking to him it came out that what he really enjoyed doing was jigsaws. JIGSAWS. His family seemed shocked at the revelation so I dug out some of my old ones and gave them to him. Since then he has never caused any problems in the neighbourhood and I have been given respect by him simply by listening to him for two hours, something the family could have done in his 11 years on this Earth.

Science moves on and accurate diagnosis is a better way forward but when it is overused it simply becomes a crutch for the parents to absolve themselves of responsibility.

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forceten,
This thread is about what MargaretR has found on one of her many weird and wonderfull expeditions into the alternative universe.
If you read her definition(in blue) it says that this is a NEW disorder created by the APA to target 'freethinkers, nonconformers, oath keepers, creative artists who should be working and be good slaves to the state and troublemakers who wish to destabilize society and commit acts of terrorism.
Nowhere does it refer to the very sad conditions your son suffers from and the posts are about MargaretR's further proof of a wordwide conspiracy.
I must admit I had never heard of ODD until MargaretR gave us the definition of her 'NEW DISORDER' although I have of course heard of ADHD.
I am sure the other posters didn't know ODD was already the definition of a real condition either and I am certain none of us intended to give offence or make jokes about it. I am sorry you took offence but perhaps you misread MargaretR's thread and our responding posts.

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You'd like my thoughts on it even less, o.k. You have a problem child, we have a problem parent with no sense of humour, do you want to know who?
Go look in a mirror!:)

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totally agree with what you've said Mossy, a lot of parents get their kids to put it on so they can claim more benefits, seen it done....some even say their kids have it as an excuse for their behaviour, fair enough some MIGHT have it but its funny how people my age didn't have it when we where kids, suddenly someone hears it from some American and it's aparently rife over here

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I must admit, having looked up ODD,ADHD and CD I am a little puzzled. A lot of the web sites are American, my first concern. Also I dont remember ANY child at my schools showing these symtoms-being naughty or disruptive yes, but not for long-the teachers were in charge,with the parents at home the same.Nor did the next generation seem affected.
Also if these problems are genuine and hard to cure, why don't we have teenagers and young adults throwing themselves on the floor and screaming in the supermarkets and streets or running riot? Perhaps by then they realize how silly they would look.And yet too many children do it.We do have teenagers and young adults misbehaving but most of them seem to know exactly what they're doing and why they're doing it.
In the USA the drug companies are making hundreds of millions selling these drugs- of course they work, any child drugged up to the eyebrows will quieten down.
I have my doubts! And not only in MargaretRs offering.

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I can see where your coming from Ken, the thing is the use of drugs is far to common these days. When I was young you never heard of kids who were driving their parents round the twist, because parents didn't allow it to happen, these days if you shout a kid some do gooding busy body will be reporting you for bring cruel, oh or the old days;)

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With decent parents the kids still get plenty of interaction, just like you plenty of kids today are being brought up by decent parents, unfortunately just as happened in the past some parents should never have been parents, not the child's fault that they don't know how to behave.
:o

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There was an item on Breakfast TV this morning about an American Charity that has set up over here and is paying drug addicts to get serialised, seems they imply that all drug users should be serialised

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Serialised Jay ? You mean they'll be doing it once a week then ? :D

Mr.Freud, a call for Mr.Freud ! ;)

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Will it be on Sky 1 after the Simpsons?:D

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I prefer one off addicts.

Rather than those long, drawn out, serial smack heads.

:D

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...or another way of spelling...............porridge oats

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Okay okay, you lot as well as typos I have a rampant spell check, which I totally rely on seeing my first language is gibberish:o:o

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Don't worry.

If you went to the doc's to get the snip, you'd probably not feel any pain.

You'd just leave with two bottles of steri.

:D

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Don't believe in bottles only draught mate,;) there is a joke about that I'll tell you when I see you:D

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I have found this video which outlines the history of psychiatry.
It is a long - (1 3/4hrs) documentary.

The section of it which is relevant to this thread begins at 1h.23mins when the topic of ADHD is covered.

Psychiatry: An industry_of_Death

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The jigsaw story is interesting, but I'd lay odds there's more to it than that.

A lot of kids with an ADHD diagnosis actually have autism, which would likely be a closer fit.

I work with a lot of families with autism.

Just as an aside, the comment about not seeing adults throwing themselves on the floor, etc. What about the large number of violent offenders in prison??

Kids in school in our day had autism, or at least a form of it, but it wasn't recognised. They coped better at school because the rules were clear and understandable. Example: we all had a desk we had to sit at. Kids with autism like stability and predictability. Go to a school now and be told "Sit where you want" - and see the autistic kid try to sit where they sat last time but someone else got there first...and watch things go wrong.

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Now you're talking about autism, a completely different kettle of fish.

As I said, there are genuine cases out there but filling up every other child with Ritalin and over-diagnosing when in many cases a short sharp shock would bring unruly children into line is symptomatic of a lazy society that simply wants to pass the blame onto someone else, usually the government.

The little boy I mentioned earlier has completely changed following that one incident and without wanting to sound egotistical I think that me giving him a damn good telling off in front of both his parents and the police has had a lot to do with it.

People are too scared to exercise discipline these days for fear of the reprisals so they whip their kids off to the doctors and get them ripped to the eyeballs on the latest wonder drug and a collection of meaningless acronyms. Kids know this and are remarkably surprised when they do get told off by strangers nowadays.

Another incident two months ago involved a boy of no more than 5 or 6 throwing a bottle at my car. One swift reverse park later and a public dressing down paralysed him with fear because he clearly wasn't expecting any reprisals and his mates were suddenly all very quick to point the finger. An even bigger shock came when I escorted him home to his stunned parents, something which was very obviously a new experience.

I'm from a time when neighbours would tell you off and you got dragged home for an even bigger telling off from mum and dad. I stand by my belief that at least half of today's 'problem children' would not be a problem if we had better standards of discipline in the home.

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To the poster that gave me bad karma with the comment "sounds like an excuse for bad parenting if you ask me" Thanks very much.

And for the comments that "assume" that my son is on Ritalin................think again......he's not!! Our choice and one that my son agrees with.

And for the implications that I am using my son to claim benefits..............I don't!! The onlly benefit I get is for my daughter and that is for child benefit.

All I was trying to say was that until you have actually lived with this condition, and the implications that it has on family life then you reallly can't comment accurately can you?

My son has ADHD, and other co morbids, at not time did I say I was claiming benefits for this, or that I was a bad parent, or that he was on Ritalin.

Oh,and yes I am married, have been for 23 years now so I'm not a single parent family either.

Oh, and both my husband and myself work as well.

I am very proud of both of my children, and the young adults that they are becoming, and that is because they have loving and supportive parents.

Ignorance is bliss.............think your biased comments have just proved that!!

I have never ever read such biased opinions in my life!!

Child who has ADHD.........must be bad parents!!

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seems to me you are the one wi biased opinions Forceten, have a nephew wi adhd, who was diagnosed early,has just left his special school last year, so i know fer fact he has good loving parents, just as your kids have, i aint blind enough though to realize, there are bad/lazy parents also, who use this as n excuse fer themselves.:rolleyes:

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So I'm biased am I? Having received bad karma for "being an excuse for a bad parent, assuming that I put my child on ritalin, that the condition ADHD is made up?

Read the thread again cashman

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yep yer biased n i have read the thread before i gave my opinion, n moaning about karma don't help, get a life its meaningless.:rolleyes:

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If there are parents who use their kids medical condition as an excuse for being bad parents.. or even worse use it as a means to get benifits then of course they are a disgrace.. I don't personally know any and would'nt want to..some parents may cope with the problem better than others..it's as simple as that... but then in the present political climate of weeding out the vunerable it'll be no surprise if it turns into yet another witch hunt. :(

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Mancie I do know of people (some may call them parents I call them scroungers) who will and do use any excuse to claim extra benefits. Simple case really of the benefit system being abused and it is about time things were taken in hand (but doubt they ever will be, whichever party is in power:()

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just think back mancie, was unheard of, back in the day, yep wi medical advancements this terrible thing is now diagnosed, but all the kids that are diagnosed these days don't come from outer space? i certainly dont know any that use this thing to get benefits, there may well be some,who knows? but i certainly know some i term as crap parents, that just want a quiet life, n ya will never convince me you never seen any.

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I can't say there are no crap parents.. of course in everyday life I've seen and heard of some that are bad parents.. but personally I don't know any.. and I definitely know of none that would try to gain more in benifits.

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Any system were money is involved is liable to abused by the rich or poor..to soon to forget the rich bankers who abused the system.. and the already well paid MP's with their expenses... but seems to me this government and the press have an agenda designed to highlight those less well off as the main culprits.

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Many years ago Bernie, there was a family who had 7 children, sadly one of the kids was in an accident and died from the injuries, much to the disgust of many people the only thing the father could say was that he would be losing the child allowance for his dead child:(:(:(

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So to your mind the "less well off" are quite entitled to cheat the system are they, so long as we're all clear on that fact Mancie:(

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When did I say the less well of are entitled to cheat?.. you have always tried to twist and turn peoples posts on here as a means to back up any government actions when they are tory...I say the present government are active in slamming down those on low incomes..and you know they are because that is what any tory would do.. now stop messing and at least be honest!

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I know you are a bit slow .. I'll give you 24 hours to get your orders from head office..:D

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You seem to have taken the view that the posters in this thread are in some way having a go at your parenting. In actual fact, reading through this again it seems that most people simply think that there are too many cases which have been diagnosed on whim.

No one has taken a pop at your personal situation at all.

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No point Mancie you'll be sober by then, hopefully:D

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Well I might be abit slow and even stupid when I've had a few... what's your excuse?

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Well you've always HAD A FEW, :D too many;)