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I've just been to the Royal for a check up this morning and whilst I was waiting for the ambulance to take me home I was reading the notice board:eek::eek::eek::eek:
It appears that around 60,000 hospital appointments are missed each year in East Lancashire Hospitals at a cost of £5.8 million enough to pay the wages of 270 nurses for a year SO DO YOUR BIT KEEP IT, OR CANCEL IT BUT DON'T FORGET IT |
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Some may have died, waiting.
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Maybe if a few appointments are missed each day you wont have to wait as long when you go for your appointment. |
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BOLLOX to the appointment keeping, went for my pre op in April and i still havent heard anything about when i go for my op, despite attempting to chase it up
the hospital are arse's when it comes to stats... |
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I did offer to sort it out for you, being persuasive and charming not just grumpy like you :p :D
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i tried too sort it out myself
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In the spring I went to the GP complaing of pain in both shoulders and my neck. he sent me off for xrays. they only xrayed one shoulder and came back ten days later with a diagnosis of Osteo-arthritis. Boo hoo for me. So the gp said that the best course would be to try Physiotherapy first, then medication, then if all else failed we would have to consider surgery - double boo hoo for me. while waiting for the appointment for physio I went for my eye test and got some new specs from tesco (£10 a pair wot a bargain) and found to my surprise that headache from neck had gone. Hooray! two months later got physio appointment so off I trotted and was made to wait an hour to be seen. The advice was to do a few light stretching exercises - this despite being told that I am lifting heavy weights all day at work-, and make another appointment so we can completete your assesment because I just haven't got time to finish it today. Needless to say I did not bother. The main reason being that, surprising though it may seem, my degenerative cartilege disease appears to have miraculously healed itself.
If I were a superstitious cove I would put this down to the intercession of the Blessed Cardinal Newman. But being a cynical old sod. it is more likley to be just another case of medical misdiagnosis. And to think I was nearly lined up for Surgery! The moral of this story is, I suppose, the NHS is more than capable of wasting it's own time and resources without ungrateful patients helping out by missing appointments, thank you very much. The very idea! |
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It was even worse for people would were bringing their small kids to the clinic, and 2 carers who were with a Disabled lady had to take her away because she was becoming "restless" and had to make another appointment for some months ahead! It didn't help that a nurse kept coming in to tell us the waiting time was first 1hr..then 1.5 hrs...then 2hrs etc etc! rather than just being honest from the outset! Very Frustrating! Best Regards - Taggy |
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Its not just hospitals that suffer from appointments being missed and not cancelled but GP's practices as well. My Drs practice puts up a list off missed appointments on a month to month basis. Though how, when the appointments are on a same dauy basis each Dr has 1 miss per day beats me. I have only ever missed 1 hospital appointment because an admin error had me the right time right Dr but wrong hospital. So maybe there is a minute bit of that as well. Even when I once thought I would be late (though landed on time) I phoned ahead to let them know and that was because I was going to the new hospital up here and didnt have a clue which buses went there from were or how often. The Info I had was as useful as a bikini in Antarctica. There may be oter reasons but I doubt if any cash saved because more people get there would be plowed back in to front line services inc nurses. Personally I think a lump would end up as a bonus for a faceless desk jockey.
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I was seen for a pre-op assesment in May. I had a letter telling me the operation would be in August. The evening before I was due in, after transport had been arranged, they cancelled the operation. Subsequently they offered me the option to have it done in Burnley, rather than Blackburn, and it was done earlier this month. The operation I had needs to be packed, and dressed daily, and on discharge from Burnley, I was told the district nurse would come and do it. The first day they telephoned to say they would be there after 3pm, in the time frame I'd been given of 8.30am - 5pm. I said that was great, and I'd now be able to go and get a paper. Because I said I was going for a paper the district nurse sister said I wasn't housebound, and therefore they wouldn't be attending, and I should see the nurse at my GP's. Fair enough. There isn't a nurse available at my GP's on Wednesdays and at the weekend, so I was told to see a nurse at the Acorn Centre on Wednesdays, and Accy Vic's emergency outpatients at the weekend. The first time I was due at the Acorn my mum phoned the district nurse sister, and asked if they'd pack and dress the wound, as I couldn't sit in a taxi, as I'd planned to do. She told my mum that even though I have mobility issues anyway, and struggle walking in the mornings because of Parkinson's disease, I wasn't actually housebound, so no. I took a taxi, and lay in the back. Thankfully we didn't crash. My GP's nurse was off today, so back to the Acorn. 'I've arranged for the visiting dressing nurse to come out this weekend to you.' 'Who? You mean the district nurse?' 'No, the visiting wound dressing nurse service, part of the Primary Care Trust.' 'Great, thanks.' You live and learn. Perhaps the different parts of the NHS should learn too, when it comes to what patient services are available. I've no complaints about the nursing care. They've been great. Well, all except the district nurse sister, who was a bit of a harridan in training. Her face, and people skills, could have curdled milk. I had the same operation twice, in my last year at college, and both failed because they became infected, and even though they were dressed daily by the district nurse. With this operation costing presumably thousands of pounds, you'd have thought the aftercare would have been a bit more organised. I have to travel with a bag of equipment in case the places I've been don't have them. Luckily I'm able to tell the nurses what needs doing at each place, because there are no notes. I pity anyone old, or unable to communicate that the wound needs washing, packing, and dressing. Overall, fantastic nursing care, but just a very disjointed NHS as a whole. I won't now mention the terrible amount of waste witnessed at Burnley General. If it was a commercial concern it would have ceased trading years ago. |
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Well I've been using the NHS as an in and out patient and I can honestly say I have only ever had a problem once and that wasn't real the fault of the clinic I was attending. These days I have to go by hospital transport because I use oxygen, but previously I was taken to by OP appointments by my Daughter, I always arrived well in time, I actually lost my rag with one woman who was kicking up a fuss because she had not been seen within half an hour of arriving in the OPD even though she was 20 minutes late for her appointment time. today my appointment was for 9-30am the ambulance picked me up at 8-55am I arrived at the CC at 9-15m was seen by at 9-25am my assessment took longer than expected because unforeseen problems cropped up, but I was home done and busted by 11-30 and that is par for the course
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how can anybody complain about the nhs its free not like in other countries we are taking it for granted it will never be 100% perfect but its free so dont take it for granted because it might not be here for long if the tories get their way..
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so you want what it is like in other countries,they pay taxes and still have to paY MEDICAL INSURANCE TO GET TREATED OR have TO PAY TO GeT TREATment that leaves the poorest in society having to be reliant on charity or just die thats why the taxpayer funds it in this country it is also far superior to most hospitals in most countries. i would only complain if there was neglegence and not act like a spoilt brat because i have to wait a bit longer if it wasnt life threatening.
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Well said, i think that for the most part the nhs do a fantastic job the staff on the frontline are good and want to do a good job but are hog tied by red tape and poor managment systems like any goverment body bureaucracy is the overiding factor in a already complex set up.
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I think you need to see a doctor. Aneurin Bevan will be laughing, as he turns in his grave. It's quite permisible to draw attention to it's failings, if there's room for improvement. I'll go and check if there's room in the secured, padded, ward, where they keep the others who think that certain things are funded by the 'money faries' that come in the night, with their little sacks of cash. |
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The karma deductions on me. |
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Can you have a word with my kids onthis point plz:D
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its free to the poor and disadvantaged the disabled who havent had the choice to have a job who in other countries have to rely on charities;)
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cheers for negative karma garinda hitting a raw nerve am i..:D:D the nhs is far superior to most countries as i say;)
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Many doctors and nurses I know are totally feed up with the current system, which increases their all ready heavy work loads even further, year after year. Whilst we've seen in recent years, under the last Labour government, as it happens cmonstanley, a massive increase in the amount of non-medical pen pushers. There is a great deal of waste in the current NHS system. I've witnesed it, and if I didn't care, and didn't appreciate it, and desire to see the N.H.S. improved, I wouldn't bother drawing attention to it. |
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Just disapoointed and besumed at your lack of knowledge, from one who prides himself on knowing the roots, and history, of true socialism, rather than an idiotic ramblings of a moron. There ready for you down on the ward, with the other nutters who think the fairies fund the N.H.S, and it's therefore 'free'. ;) |
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Like no way! I wondered why I mentioned Nye Bevan. Now I know. :rolleyes: |
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The average costs for health insurance in 2009 in the USA was On average, $2,985 for a single person and $6,328 for a family i wonder how these figures compare for the amount of our tax national insurance etc that goes to the nhs?
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still say the nhs is still one of the best in the word ditto:)the penpushers were probably for all legalities of the claim culture;) where thers blaim theres a claim.
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Secondly as to superior ? That I would question, if the NHS were so, why then do some operations & treatments get outsourced to other European Countries ? Cost ? Expertise ? Or the NHS aren't capable of dealing ? Not to knock it, the NHS is a worthy asset to the UK, but over the years it has become unsuitable for purpose & top heavy with self important nobodies, it requires a major overhaul/shakedown to lose the deadwood which has been foisted upon the service. That done the NHS can once again be a shining example of "free" public health care. |
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Even the 'poor, disadvantaged, and disabled' pay taxes. Ever heard of V.A.T., amongst the many other taxes those you highlight, might have to pay? |
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Of course the NHS has never been a "free" service... that is why the tories bent over backwards to oppose it's creation... the idea of the whole working population having to directly contribute towards a NHS was aborrent to the tories who could afford to pay direct for healh care....but the vast majority of working people struggled.
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...and when did we see a massive rise in that sort of claim culture thinking? Since 1997, that's when. When the New Labour government allowed a generation of people to believe that living off benefits was the prefered career option of choice. Thus allowing them to watch all the 'no win, no fee' adverts, that punctuate the Jeremy Kyle show, whilst sat on their arses. You wouldn't know anything about real socialism, if you sat on a flag pole flying the Red Flag, and needed a visit to outpatients....for 'free' treatment. ;) |
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Actually the point I was making was that the less well off don't suffer here or as you put it :-
that leaves the poorest in society having to be reliant on charity or just die I believe that to be the case in UK too ? Those employed pay taxes which are in turn used to support the NHS (taxpayer funded) so theoretically the NHS isn't "free" it is subsidised by the working man & Woman. Yes I pay several times over while I work, but should I be unfortunate enough to lose my employment I can rest assured I will receive the same standard of treatment (without having to put my hand in my pocket) as I would've when employed. |
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Though you'll probably now be branded a fascist, despite your own history, beliefs, and your background spent working for the unions, for umpteen years. :rolleyes: |
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Classic quote from a true class warrior. I'll be round tomorrow to break in, and steal the food from your family's table. Up the revolution. Beam me up Keir Hardie, everything is well in La-la-land. |
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Leaving aside my "Spoiled Brat" attitude, as an out patient!..I recently had to endure diabolical treatment of my Father in 3 local hospitals as an In Patient who suffered from Parkinsons Disease....not only was the basic care he received disgusting...the level of understanding of his condition, and admisistration of medication was pathetic!..This was someone who served in the forces, paid into the system all his life.and quite frankly was treated like dog muck by the NHS!! And yes i'm actually complaining about basic nursing standards here..not just administration! The NHS as we once knew it..does not exist anymore! So you get down from your ruddy high horse and return to the real world!! Best Regards - Taggy |
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On the other hand, as you say, some have opted for nursing as a career, through academia, and have as much passion, understanding, and empathy as Eva Braun. I've experienced some, who work in mental health, who were really so disturbed it left you wondering who was the patient, and who was on the staff. Another, a male nurse on a surgical ward at Blackburn, shouldn't really be allowed near any living animal, certainly not a sick human. |
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Blame the cuts. :D |
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I've never experienced less CARE now than at any stage than i can remember within the NHS almost every other person i speak to who has experienced hospital residence recently, has had some detrimental experience, which is mainly based around the level of care & understanding they have received! If loved ones went into hospital, we always used to say" well your in the best place now"..i'm afraid these days i wouldn't probably express that opinion. I can honestly say now, that it really would worry me, having to be admitted to one of our local hospitals!..I know that it could happen one day soon..and i'll be honest..the thought frightens me...based purely on what i've seen! Best Regards - Taggy |
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I owe my life to the NHS surgeons,nurses,doctors and staff who saved my life only a few years ago.. at the same time I've come across some bad staff and recently had an op that went wrong with bad results..I'll live with it .. now if I had paid for that op to a private health care company I would have made a claim against them the very next day..and there is the real "claim culture"... I've paid my taxes and national insurance but it's not your average working man or women who make these claims... it's the already well off.
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Something stinks, and it's not just the packing in my wound. |
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The Medics explained that his problems & broken bone were really as a result of his long term brain damage, which we knew really, but they offered to perform operations & provide physio free of charge, to help him out for 3 or 4 weeks, they explained that for the surgery to be successful however, he would need to undergo several weeks of Physio once he returned to the UK...we contacted his Doctors in UK to explain this but surprise surprise, they said that they would probably not be able to supply the physio he needed when he got back home!..Seeing as we couldn't afford weeks/possibly months of this treatment privately upon return, we had to decide it wasn't worth putting him through the trauma of the operation! I've also got several stories of superb medical treatment that friends of mine have had in Spain, that excede what we would expect here, but i cant really be bothred going into those now! Best Regards - Taggy |
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i remember when the tories were last in power hospitals were crumbling and in so much disrepair there was damp and leaking roofs.when labour came in i never seen so many new hospitals,they had to invest or the nhs would have collapsed because it was so underfunded ander the last tory goverment.people have short memories.
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The trouble with this debate is that people will have personal experiences of hospitals and so views will differ of course,from good to bad. so far i am lucky enough not to have stayed in hospitals but a lot of folks really have had to call on the nhs in times of great need.from what ive gathered the staff seem to do a good job with the time/finance they have and if they falter its because of pressure.
when in hospital my dad fell out bed and broke his hip and none of them even knew ? ? i still think they didnt even know how or when it happened..not good lack of supervision i think.i.e. not enough nurses on at night ? equip them and give them time ,that might be the key.it aint going to change now is it.not with the 'cuts'..opps sorry BE no cuts to NHS or education ,yea i'll bet you bloody liberal liars,WE'LL SEE HEY !!!!!!!!!!! |
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As to whether or not it's a "No win, no Fee" or someone running through the Courts with an expensive lawyer is really of no concern to me, all I see is people from all walks of life trying to turn a fast Buck for their own benefit regardless of the damage it causes to whomever they are claiming from. In the case of public bodies Councils/NHS/Schools the only people they're really screwing over is themselves & others like them in the long run because of their own personal greed ! Great for them but then because of their actions the Councils/NHS/Schools are now short of those funds, so less funds, less spending, no local improvements ...... sad but true. |
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Its silly things like why does my GP close at lunchtime. They have 2 or 3 receptionists so they should stay open all day so people can make appointments and collect prescriptions etc in there lunch break. |
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Examples of Local Fraud Cases - Dorset and Somerset Counter Fraud Service News about the Rotherham and Dearne Valley areas - David Sammons was jailed for a year for fraud after submitting forged timesheets. Sammons (30), from Swinton, pleaded guilty to four counts of fraud following an investigation by NHS Rotherham Founda Local Government Lawyer - Man jailed after false personal injury claims against London boroughs take a look for yourself there are thousands out there & if you are honest with yourself you'll probably know of people who have done it. |
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another new hospital built in the labour era BBC News - Hospital robots cut hospital pharmacy bill
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some more jobs go party of law and order my ass BBC News - Lancashire Police could axe all 427 PCSOs
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Here we go again, we've been over PCSO's in depth elsewhere,they are in all honesty useless & bring nothing but a presence on the streets costing good money that could be used better by employing proper Coppers !
But of course that really isn't your aim is it ? So long as you can have a dig at a party that doesn't suit your jaded dogmatic perception of "Proper governance" you'll turn pretty much anything into a political arguement. The title is "HOSPITAL APPOINTMENTS", why bring up PCSO's here, C'mon ? Either find the older thread or start a new one mate ! Then we can argue the toss all day long. |
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A QUANGO set up to slash NHS waste spent nearly £1million on staff away days and hospitality in just 16 months. Read more: Waste slashers’ £1mil on treats | The Sun |News Just because money's thrown at something, doesn't necessarily make it better. |
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The care then was just as good, if not better than now. I witnessed a lot less waste in the N.H.S. in the eighties. |
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Well lets be honest, that's what he's after isn't it ? to start a virtual brawl ! :rolleyes: |
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That's all I'm allowed, as part of my bail conditions. :D |
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The NHS is becoming like every other public service, massively top-heavy with the first cuts always being on the front line in a display of bizarre backward-thinking. Having said that, I've more than had my money's worth out of it and never had what I consider to be an unacceptable wait for any emergency but what good are thousands of managers without enough people to do the actual proper work? |
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Back to the start of the thread Jay - Littlepom turned up in plenty of time for her appointment with the orthoaedic specialist on Friday at 1530.
Surprise, she was told that the appointment had been cqncelled the previous day at 0800 hrs - no-one had informed her. The hospital said it should have been Peel House - when we went there we were told that the hospital should have told her. Asked to see the Practice Manager - she was off sick (Surprise, surprise), so we had to deal with the senior clinician(?). Alternative arrangements cannot be organised until tomorrow, Monday, two weeks since she originally saw the GP and arranged the specialist appointment. We are not holding our breath. |
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Yesterday morning, me daughter trailed to Pendlebury Childrens hospital had n appointment wi consultant who performed grandchilds operation, to be told, sorry on holiday, theres no-one can see you, hospitals are quick on advertising "Missed Appointments" never see advertising of appointments THEY miss cos of cock ups. Ridiculous.!:mad:
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Delays probably cos they dont start on time, was up accy vic fer x-ray this morning, the old lass wi a 9-00 appointment went in at 9-15, my time, so yer starting off behind n it must increase as day goes on.:(
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The reception staff at the Acorn Centre ballsed up my appointment for chiropody and got me to be there ...... one week early.:rolleyes:
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There are many cancelled patient appointments, but those figures are never flashed up on the notice boards, in waiting rooms. Though I do also agree, if you can't make an appointment, you should cancel it. There was a programme on Channel 4, about the Mayday hospital in Croydon. A specialist doctor held a surgery for the growing number of teens who were diabetic. Not one person turned up for their appointment, each clinic having cost thousands of pounds to set up. |
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I must be the lucky one, I've been attending hospital on a regular basis since 1980 and have never had any problems what-so-ever, I have had appointments cancelled but a few weeks prior to the date and a new date issued, I always receive a reminder even by letter or phone, (if you give your mobile number they'll even text you) but on the whole I've no complaints on this issue at all
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