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Guinness

29-10-2010 23:22

Security threat or?

I think I'm becoming a conspiracy theorist!!

Obama using words like 'credible', 'apparently', 'explosive materials', top gun teams of Maverick and Iceman escorting an Emirates filght to landing on National TV, one that took off from Dubai, not Yemen, but is instantly known as a muslim airline by its logo?

credible?.. something believable... like santa claus, fairies, elves, god?

apparently?... something that is reported second hand... like santa claus, fairies, elves, god?

explosive materials...something like toner cartridges, cigarette lighters, deoderants?

and finally....the top gun team...erm? why?..surely if theres a definite terrorist issue you shoot down the 400 in the plane, you dont risk a landing/last minute deviation and let it blow up 1k+ on the ground.

Aint it weird, yesterday BA says the USA are too strict on passengers, today there is a major bomb scare.

Packages addressed from the Yemen to a jewish bagle house in New York on a cargo plane, and the explanation is its a test run???

A test/dry run that is addressed to the final target, Wow! some really, really, really, really dumb terrorists?

Personally, I really don't know what to believe here, bbut I'm damn sure that something aint right!

cashman

29-10-2010 23:31

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this incident i am very skeptical of, we banned ourselves from visiting the USA about 3 years ago, after experiencing gestapo tactics at different U.S. airports, which is a shame cos we love the country n the folk we met.:(

Mancie

29-10-2010 23:43

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I don't think even a paranoid USA would go to the trouble of launching jet fighters just because of BA complaining about security... end of the day it's their country and they can impose any measures they deem fit.

Guinness

30-10-2010 00:23

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 856568)

You miss the point. Mav and Ice were lauched to show the power of the US on TV. Jingoism... Thatcher/Belgrano?

Wonder if the cargo carrying Emirates jet landed with Fox/CBS playing the tune of 'take my breath away'. C'mon you guys living in the states..how are they playing the fighter 'forced landing'?

Mancie

30-10-2010 01:07

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I get what you are saying... but you make the point that all this carry on could be linked to British Airways complaining about over the top security measures.. I don't think there is a link.

steeljack

30-10-2010 01:58

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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 856571)

Your not wrong about Fox/Sky (Murdoch owned) playing it up a bit , though the reports do say that the Canucks F16s from the north of us escorted the Emirates jet from mid Atlantic into US air space ,presumably taking over from the RAF , the flight from Dubai to New York overflys the UK (check 'great circle routes') does seem a bit odd packages addressd to a jewish synagogs with Yemeni postmarks ....give me a break , I'm thinking even the dumbest of the chosen people would have been wise enough not to open it. ;) :confused: :confused:

cmonstanley

30-10-2010 07:50

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not very many jews in yemeni.even if it was a stunt which i doubt ,what right has british airways or any other airline have the right to put anybody in danger to save a bit of cash.i dont mind gestapo or any other tactics as long as i was alive at the other side.people have short memories theres a big terrorist act on the way and if i ,or any of my families life was saved by the security services doing ther job properly im all for it.

Boeing Guy

30-10-2010 08:08

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Fighter's escorting!!! Beggars belief. Since the 11 september 2001 attacks all airliners have a armoured doors fitted to the flight deck. This stops any would be terrorist from access. The doors are bullet proof, but obviously the US Air Force does not trust anyone!!!!

cmonstanley

30-10-2010 08:12

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dont blame them,actually would trust them more than the airlines now after the most stupidest statement by that ba guy.just because nothing has happened for a while in the western world lets have lapse security lets encourage the terrorists ye right:confused::confused:

Boeing Guy

30-10-2010 08:52

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I have been though the Safest Airport in the world, in the last week. Ben Gurion, Tel Aviv. Security took less than 15 minutes, ALL of my crew were profiled and baggage scanned, both hold and hand. The airport was at the busiest part of the day as well. Even Cargo there is screened in similar ways and it is still quicker than any of the so called security concious airports we have here in the west.
The number of Hijacked airliners that have departed Ben Gurion, None....

The problem with profiling, is that there are certain members of religious groups who feel that they are being unfairly treated.

jaysay

30-10-2010 09:28

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 856603)

dont blame them,actually would trust them more than the airlines now after the most stupidest statement by that a guy.just because nothing has happened for a while in the western world lets have lapse security lets encourage the terrorists ye right:confused::confused:

I agree with you about the BA statement, its the old say where terrorism is concerned, we have to be luck 100% of the time, they only have to be lucky once, better to take a little longer at the airport and reach your destination, than speeding things up and a plane ends up in the Atlantic

cashman

30-10-2010 09:36

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i have no problem wi taking a bit longer fer security reasons, the problem i got is how we were treated by staff at USA airports, the missus was very upset n wanted to come straight back home, its the only country of many we have visited this has happened. its unacceptable simple as.:( when ya have experienced such treatment, ya will know what yer talking about.:rolleyes:

jaysay

30-10-2010 10:08

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 856650)

i have no problem in taking a bit longer fer security reasons, the problem i got is how we were treated by staff at USA airports, the missus was very upset n wanted to come straight back home, its the only country of many we have visited this has happened. its unacceptable simple as.:( when ya have experienced such treatment, ya will know what yer talking about.:rolleyes:

suppose there still a bit jumpy, its the only country where they have flown planes into builds, their own planes at that;)

Boeing Guy

30-10-2010 10:38

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Very true Jay, also the aircraft used on that day were all domestic flights.
The terrorists had been trained in the US as well.
it is time that the US and Europe take some lessons from the Israeli's, they know about security.

cashman

30-10-2010 11:01

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 856669)

whilst i agree there is much to be learnt from israel, don't need them to teach em how to behave.;)

yerself

30-10-2010 17:17

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What do you reckon to this Guinness?

BBC News - UK cargo plane device was bomb - British Government

cmonstanley

30-10-2010 18:34

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 856645)

thats twice in one day weve agreed with each other im getting worried:D

SPUGGIE J

30-10-2010 18:39

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 856840)

thats twice in one day weve agreed with each other im getting worried:D

Do you want a Doctor????

DaveinGermany

30-10-2010 18:45

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 856843)

Do you want a Doctor????

He (C'mon) wouldn't get to see one because of all the drunks in the A&E. ;)

walkinman221

30-10-2010 18:48

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Good job we didnt have to launch planes to escort another plane in, we havent got any fighters on our aircraft carriers:D

DaveinGermany

30-10-2010 19:04

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Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 856847)

Good job we didnt have to launch planes to escort another plane in, we havent got any fighters on our aircraft carriers:D

Could've used a French one ! But nah .... maybe not, they're probably on strike ! :rolleyes:

walkinman221

30-10-2010 19:06

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Or busy trying to surrender:D

kestrelx

30-10-2010 19:10

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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 856565)

I know what your saying, those cartridges could have been put there by anyone? It's called pushing buttons - they wheel out some "event" to reinforce the idea that we need more security - when anyone could have put those cartridges there - for example...

YouTube - David Icke - Problem Reaction Solution - Hegelian Dialectic and Terrorism

It just seems really dumb to me how those packages got that far in transit - one conveniently ends up in the Midlands, I thought they'd have already tightened up airport freight security a long time ago. This incident seems very odd :confused:

Margaret Pilkington

30-10-2010 19:24

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I have stopped travelling abroad now.......I think that profiling is the way forward.
Why treat everyone as a terrorist? and yes I know that we have to be lucky all of the time, while the terrorists only have to be lucky once......but surely there is a middle ground.
As an elderly white woman, lived all my life in the UK, what are the chances of me wanting to blow up a plane?
So why should I be treated as if I am a terrorist, rather than a tourist?

Boeing Guy

30-10-2010 19:32

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Kestrelx:

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I thought they'd have already tightened up airport freight security a long time ago

Cargo has always been the week link in the chain. It is not a matter of beefing up security, but putting in place a system that profiles and spots potential problems before they arise. The current system can be likened to closing the door after the horse has bolted.
Ask anybody in the industry, you will find this is the general feeling.

Guinness

30-10-2010 21:15

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 856799)

What do you reckon to this Guinness?

BBC News - UK cargo plane device was bomb - British Government

Still lots of 'could be', 'may be', 'perhaps', 'cannot be sure'...it's as though they are thinking 'hmm, Blair and his WMD, he coudn't argue his way out, but if we say 'could', and 'may', if it comes out to be not true we can always say we didn't say it was.

We have security experts saying its a very professional job, the yanks saying it 'could be' similar to a taliban attack and yet the yemenis reckon its some tart with a grudge.

I'm still keeping an open mind here, I still think something aint quite right about this.

kestrelx

30-10-2010 21:47

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Tony Blair got away with it didn't he - they told lies (oh sorry we are not allowed to say that in this politically correct - bureaucratic whitewashing society) Blair made up a pack of lies in order to get other politicians and the public to back the war in Iraq, with his weapons of mass destruction. Even though 2 Million people marched against it. It's like attacking someone in the street because you "thought" they were going to attack you. Same principle.

Boeing Guy

31-10-2010 08:12

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Whether these threats and devices are real or not is rather academic for those of us who spend our lives in the air.
There are people out there trying to kill us, it's that simple.
I don't really understand where Tony Blair, sorry Liar, comes into this. Everyone knows the whole 45 minutes etc was just Bull s@@t.
This maybe all a pack of lies, but it does concern me and I will be watching anything that goes into the hold's of my aircraft.

Eric	31-10-2010 08:35

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 856580)

Ah, some Canadian content:D However, the Royal Canadian Air Force uses the CF 18 Hornet;)

jaysay

31-10-2010 08:43

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 856840)

thats twice in one day weve agreed with each other im getting worried:D

The time to really worry CS is if I start supporting Rangers, then you'll know I've gone totally barmy:D

jaysay

31-10-2010 08:46

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 856876)

You may have secretly been converted to Islam Margaret:D

kestrelx

31-10-2010 08:46

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 857036)

I mention Tony Blair because to illustrate how politicians will fiddle with evidence and lie in order to get people to do what they want, or get backing for new laws being put through parliament. Or make people think in a certain way. Politicians don't think like the public and will use means to get results - the end justifies the means.

I would have thought already that there would be strict checks on freight put on airplanes since 911 - it seems a no brainer to me, yet it seems security was very lax - particularly small packages from Yemen to Jewish addressses in the USA. Don't they have any checks as the person responsible presented the suspect package to the freight company in the first place? For example sending a printer from Yemen to America - why bother when you can buy printers for £30 these days? :confused:

cmonstanley

31-10-2010 12:33

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Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 856565)

suppose these are a conspiracy as well BBC News - Istanbul suicide blast injures 22, including 10 police BBC News - Explosive device at Belfast International Airport :rolleyes:

cmonstanley

31-10-2010 12:35

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 857046)

You may have secretly been converted to Islam Margaret:D

the thing is some nutters have remember that scottish white guy wit explosives in his shoes so profiling dont work

MargaretR

31-10-2010 14:16

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The plot thickens;)
Saba Net - Yemen news agency

It looks more like a false flag op every day:D

Margaret Pilkington

31-10-2010 14:24

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 857145)

the thing is some nutters have remember that scottish white guy wit explosives in his shoes so profiling dont work

Well, I am sure that if done correctly, then it would work...but for the sake of the PC brigade, no one is keen to put any thought or effort into it.....because it seems that the travelling public of the UK will put up with anything for their two weeks in the sun.

We must all be treated as possible bombers because a few people are.

And while this climate exists then I choose not to renew my passport or travel to where they do not trust me as a bona fide tourist.

shillelagh

31-10-2010 15:48

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i got an envelope from tesco last week to send my old ink cartridges off to em .. i get 200 points you see ... well you got to get your money back off em somehow .. so dare i send my old ink cartridges off to em .. after this ..

DaveinGermany

31-10-2010 16:06

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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 857179)

so dare i send my old ink cartridges off to em .. after this ..

Dear Shill (From the Agony Donkey)

If you like Fella's in uniform I'd say YES ! Cos you'd have about 20 of em beating a pathway to your door, but if you're not so keen on cuffs & stuff NO ! :D

shillelagh

31-10-2010 16:28

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 857181)

Dear Shill (From the Agony Donkey)

If you like Fella's in uniform I'd say YES ! Cos you'd have about 20 of em beating a pathway to your door, but if you're not so keen on cuffs & stuff NO ! :D

they'll be sent first thing tomorrow morning .... :eek::p:D:D:D

now wheres that envelope .. :rolleyes: ..:D:D:D

Margaret Pilkington

31-10-2010 16:51

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Jen.....you should be OK unless you are sending them via the Yemen to Tesco in Chicago....oh yes and don't forget.......no wires.

Barrie Yates

31-10-2010 17:07

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Sent via one of the carrier companies - probably all the employees in the Yemen office are Yemenis - In Riyadh & Dhahran (Saudi Arabia), all the employees were Saudi, Filipino, Pakistani or Indonesia - not a Westerner in sight.

kestrelx

01-11-2010 07:34

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 857163)

The plot thickens;)
Saba Net - Yemen news agency

It looks more like a false flag op every day:D

Very interesting article that is, I have always not believed what I hear on TV and in the papers. Most people take such information as gospel - when in fact the papers often make up whatever they want, in order to sell papers.

jaysay

01-11-2010 08:20

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 857410)

:s_cry::s_cry::s_cry:So you mean everything they print in the Daily Mail ain't true:D

kestrelx

01-11-2010 09:21

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 857423)

:s_cry::s_cry::s_cry:So you mean everything they print in the Daily Mail ain't true:D

Has it only just occured to you? :eek: :smileysx: Everything on the front page ain't true! :rolleyes:

jaysay

01-11-2010 09:59

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 857443)

Has it only just occured to you? :eek: :smileysx: Everything on the front page ain't true! :rolleyes:

So its on a par with the Independent and the Guardian then:D

MargaretR

01-11-2010 10:18

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 857467)

So its on a par with the Independent and the Guardian then:D

yes............and Hans Christian Anderson

kestrelx

01-11-2010 18:26

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 857467)

So its on a par with the Independent and the Guardian then:D

The Sun :hothothot

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