Accrington Web

Accrington Web (https://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/index.php)
-   General Chat (https://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f69/)
-   -   what do you think should happen to cannon street church? (https://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f69/what-do-you-think-should-happen-to-cannon-street-church-5591.html)

becki* 15-09-2004 13:51

what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
what do you think should be done with cannon street baptist church. please vote

LENNY15 15-09-2004 13:55

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
it should it shouldnt get nocked down they will only build a mosk there:mad:

becki* 15-09-2004 13:58

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
it should it shouldnt. i think ur going batty lenny! meet me after school at my house. 5.30 (sorry for going off thread)

LENNY15 15-09-2004 14:00

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
its reght i will be at yours at 5.30 that is if my mumwill let me out straight oh yeah iv to clean my mums room

becki* 15-09-2004 14:01

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
keep on thread! sorry everyone!!

WillowTheWhisp 15-09-2004 19:32

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
I suppose option 2 would depend on whether or not the church could afford it.

How about none of the above? Could the building itself be preserved and used as something else if the church cannot afford to stay there?

Busman747 16-09-2004 16:30

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
I think that any available options have already been taken my the Baptist church and unlike the HBC will not be swayed by public opinion.:(

Sparkologist 16-09-2004 18:36

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
It would be a waste to knock down the church and lose a fine building.

I would like to see the building bought by Wetherspoons, and turned into one of their drinks emporiums. (Sorry, Mr T, Sir).

WillowTheWhisp 16-09-2004 18:42

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
That would be a rather ironic fate.

Acrylic-bob 17-09-2004 06:42

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
>>I think that any available options have already been taken my the Baptist church and unlike the HBC will not be swayed by public opinion.<<


Oh, so it's going to be luxury flats for out-of-towners is it? Another fine building that will be closed to public access - Disgraceful! Why aren't we shouting our heads off about this?

WillowTheWhisp 17-09-2004 07:00

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Has it actually been sold or does the Baptist Church still own it? if they are selling/have sold I presume it is simply a case of who wants to buy or will pay the most.

becki* 17-09-2004 09:00

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
i think the baptist church still owns it. i will ask the church leader

pendy 17-09-2004 12:45

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparkologist
It would be a waste to knock down the church and lose a fine building.

I would like to see the building bought by Wetherspoons, and turned into one of their drinks emporiums. (Sorry, Mr T, Sir).

Great idea - what wrong with Wetherspoons, then, Mr T? Pubs that ban loud music have to be okay. Or else a Yates's Wine Lodge - they might be interested.

pendy 17-09-2004 12:53

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Hang on, have just seen that Cannon Street Baptist Church is a listed building (see earlier thread "Listed Buildings", so they can't pull it down without a fight. This one might well be worth following up. There is probably a notice in the darkest part of HBC's basement, giving public(!) notice that they want to do this. They can then say that they displayed a notice and no-one objected!

Worth keeping an eye, and checking on what the Powers of Darkness intend to do, especially in view of what they have already done.

WillowTheWhisp 17-09-2004 12:55

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
What grade listed building is it? I

pendy 17-09-2004 13:01

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
No idea, Atarah provided the list, I think, and would probably know. If not, let me know and I will try to find out.

Acrylic-bob 25-09-2004 08:06

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Cannon Street Baptist Church is Grade II Listed and is in a Conservation Area, so demolition should be difficult. Grade II listing means that the inside can be hacked about as the owner pleases but the outside may not be altered without permission.

I would think that it is incumbent on HBC to ensure that the building retains some form of public usage. It would make an ideal location for a borough museum and could easily be connected to the Library in St. James's Street. There is, apparently a large body of artefacts from the history of the borough, that are seldom, if ever, seen by the public. Such a museum would present a great educational resource to the borough.

WillowTheWhisp 25-09-2004 08:21

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Great idea about a museum of local artefacts A-b.

Also - the inside would surely be high enough to allow the location of the Accy (ex-Arndale) clock! Sorted!

Acrylic-bob 25-09-2004 08:55

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Excellent Idea! And also the remains of the Ashton-Frost Steam Engine. Now all we need to do is find someone on HBC with a bit of Vision and Foresight. I don't hold out too much hope.

yerself 25-09-2004 11:30

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
It's funny how there seems to be a public outcry when any building of this nature is threatened with conversion into something seen as undesirable, or even worse, demolition. I would like to bet that the majority of people mourning the fate of this and other similar buildings (e.g. Sacred Heart) have never stepped a foot inside them. Perhaps if these same people had used the buildings for their intended purposes they would not now be under the threat of impending demolition or whatever. Just a thought.

WillowTheWhisp 26-09-2004 22:41

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Well I've stepped inside both of them more than once but I'm not actually of the persuasion of either and go to my own church every Sunday. It doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see the building retained and used for a purpose which would benefit the town, which I think a museum would. It could also incorporate the history of the church itself.

lindsay ormerod 24-03-2005 14:56

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
It would indeed make a fine museum;was looking at some old Accy photos last night and it's quite staggering how many of the Churches have disappeared.The one that used to be on the site of the Swan carpark was a fantastic building!

chav1 24-03-2005 16:27

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
isnt it gods house therefore bleongs to everybody

since when has god been into realestate

if anything it shouldnt be sold it should be given and since its supposedly gods house let the christians decide what to use it for and make sure muslims dont get it

maybe a new nursery or dare i say it a dentists as we need them more than ever now especialy NHS ones

as an athiest i dont care much for any religeous use but let it be used for somthing us white folk can use as well for a change instead of pandering the so called minoritys

WillowTheWhisp 24-03-2005 16:28

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
No point having a dental surgery without an actual dentist to put in it.

Cafu01 24-03-2005 16:30

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
should be kncoked down and something else put there

chav1 24-03-2005 16:38

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
No point having a dental surgery without an actual dentist to put in it.

for the money dentists earn i will gladly nip to homebase and kit myself out and give it a go :D

Acrylic-bob 25-03-2005 05:36

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Chav's earlier comment about the ownership of the building got me thinking. Presumably the building and the land it stands on were financed, in one way or another, by public subscription. Surley then, natural justice would seem to dictate that the descendants of those subscribers should have some moral right in determining the fate of the building.

WillowTheWhisp 25-03-2005 11:33

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
As it's a Baptist church doesn't the building and land belong to the baptists? If it was built by "public subscription" presumably it was baptist public rather than general Accy inhabitants? I know there were bank accounts with money in which had been donated by members or bequeathed in wills etc which were for specific purposes only and couldn't be used for anything else. I don't know if the decendants of those benefactors would have any say in the matter but if Cannon Street Baptists ceases/has ceased to exist I wonder what happens to the money in those funds?

chav1 26-03-2005 20:43

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
accrington victoria hospital was built by and paid for by the people of accrington yet we get sod all say in it been turned into a minor injuries place

janet 26-03-2005 20:46

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
It already is accident and emergency as well as community hospital.

sorry misread your post.

Ianto.W. 24-03-2007 22:06

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
What about the building across the road to it, the grand Conservative Club. This buillding was I believe sold at auction or is for sale, the last occasion planning permission was refused,was, as the grand ballroom had to stay as it is, since then windows have been removed from the grand ballroom, thus rendering it to the mercy of the elements to take its toll, if any member of the civic society are online take note. This is a ploy to bring this class 2 listed building into disrepair, to enable the present greedy absent owners an easier passage to sell this, the grandest building in our Borough a saleable commodity. The annoying thing about it is Hyndburn Council are privy to this, as I and my next door neighbour have informed them of the situation many many times.

mani 25-03-2007 07:00

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
OH MAN

HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE BE SO NAIVE?!

IT WOULD MAKE A BRILLIANT POUND SHOP!!!!


on a serious note - i miss that toy shop where baileys is now :(

Neil 25-03-2007 10:43

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Another old thread dug up.

shotgun* 25-03-2007 11:00

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
knowing the council in accy they will probably turn it into a mosque and stick a big green onion on the top of it

panther 25-03-2007 12:02

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
wasnt the grammer school on blackburn rd listed??
what happened to that?knocked it down, and built crap houses on it!!!

mani 25-03-2007 16:00

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
yeah it was a shame abot the grammer school

so much could've been done with it...

it was a fantastic building from the outside... extensive work on hte inside and it wud've made a great youth centre place - much bigger and better than new era

K.S.H 25-03-2007 17:27

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
This thread was started in September 2004, what happened to this building? is it still there? whats it now used for?
It's a part of town I never wander into

mani 25-03-2007 17:43

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
i've never seen it open to be honest - i think it does open once a year for ppl to walk around it

but thats it i think havent seen a wedding there in ages aswell

panther 25-03-2007 18:20

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K.S.H (Post 403188)
This thread was started in September 2004,

who brought this subject back up:cool: ?:rolleyes:

mani 26-03-2007 00:27

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
ianto bought it back

Ianto.W. 26-03-2007 09:02

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mani (Post 403315)
ianto bought it back

Now now mani, I do not mind being accountable for other transgressions, but if you look back this thread was started by becki* not yours truly.:p :D

K.S.H 26-03-2007 10:13

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Think there trying to tell you that you brought it up from the archives, anyway - what happened to it?

Ianto.W. 26-03-2007 10:21

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K.S.H (Post 403378)
Think there trying to tell you that you brought it up from the archives, anyway - what happened to it?

Why would they draw that conclusion K.S.H.:confused: This thread was started by becki* and had nothing to do with me save mentioning the building opposte, even more.:confused:

K.S.H 26-03-2007 10:26

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 403384)
Why would they draw that conclusion K.S.H.:confused: This thread was started by becki* and had nothing to do with me save mentioning the building opposte, even more.:confused:

Janet was the last to post on here before you, she did it on the 26-03-2005, you brought the thread back up on the 24-03-2007

Ianto.W. 26-03-2007 11:12

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K.S.H (Post 403388)
Janet was the last to post on here before you, she did it on the 26-03-2005, you brought the thread back up on the 24-03-2007

How that happened I have no idea I must admit it looks rather a foolish thing to do, sometimes old threads are dragged up but I did not do it by design, the mistake I made was not looking at the date which I seldom do, but it must have been on page one, maybe the mods can enlighten us. Thank you for pointing this out as I had no wish to offend either you or mani, I hope this redresses the situation. Regards Ian.:o

K.S.H 26-03-2007 11:18

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
You haven't offended anyone, sometimes its good to have them brought back, this is an example as we never did hear what has happened to the building if anything

Ianto.W. 26-03-2007 11:37

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K.S.H (Post 403409)
You haven't offended anyone, sometimes its good to have them brought back, this is an example as we never did hear what has happened to the building if anything

Thank's K.S.H., regarding the building there has been some activity IE; members of the cogregation have been clearing it out and a number of 'suits' have been in and out, there is some interest in turning it into flats and offices, this will be difficult to obtain planning permission for, not just the class 2 status as you are probably aware of, but access and car parking can be a stumbling block. This is one of the busiest Streets in the borough along with Eagle Street.

WillowTheWhisp 08-04-2007 19:31

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Is there enough space down the side to park a car or three?

Ianto.W. 08-04-2007 23:28

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 408412)
Is there enough space down the side to park a car or three?

Yes I think there is, but it's gettining in and out of the place that will prove difficult, as it is a limited parking time street, and they would get blocked in, when funerals/weddings took place they had to 'stand guard' and put unoficial bollards down, the council stopped them doing it as it is on a very busy street, not only traffic wise but for business also.

spinner 31-05-2007 18:59

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
i was walking past the other day and the someone had broken the windows. the council havent bothered to repair them even though they are around the corner. broken windows will allow pidgons to wreak havoc giving that useless council an exuse to knock it down and erect a ghastly purpose built building for them to spend our taxes in the most useless fashion. has anyone else seen the broken windows

mallard 31-05-2007 23:42

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
It should stop as a church thats what i think any way

katex 26-06-2007 19:52

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
[QUOTE=Acrylic-bob;83893


Oh, so it's going to be luxury flats for out-of-towners is it? Another fine building that will be closed to public access - Disgraceful! Why aren't we shouting our heads off about this?[/QUOTE]

Well, the application in now for 16 residential apartments.

WillowTheWhisp 26-06-2007 19:54

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
And where are these 16 residents going to park? http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/i...milies/eek.gif

Gayle 26-06-2007 19:58

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Well I had to vote for building something new there - after what I said on the other thread - :)

katex 26-06-2007 20:02

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 440469)
And where are these 16 residents going to park? http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/i...milies/eek.gif

Pass Willow ? Best to go and look at the plans I suppose.

Appliction no. 11/07/0388 and 0390 .. mmm confused by two, must be different lay-outs ? submitted by Y & Y Developments (Y&Y .. :D)

katex 26-06-2007 20:03

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 440475)
Well I had to vote for building something new there - after what I said on the other thread - :)

LOL .. ya' better believe it gal.

Ianto.W. 26-06-2007 20:04

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 440469)
And where are these 16 residents going to park? :eek:

Certanly not next to my 'hacyenda' willow, my next door neighbour is very particular who lives near him.;)

WillowTheWhisp 26-06-2007 20:16

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
It could get a bit busy round your corner Ianto with 16 new residences.

Ianto.W. 26-06-2007 20:23

Re: what do you think should happen to cannon street church?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 440497)
It could get a bit busy round your corner Ianto with 16 new residences.

No chance of a cup of sugar from yours truly willow, I cannot stand snobs, these flats will be for overpaid advisers to PB and CO not for local residents. The planning application reads 'luxury flats' without car parking, it could only happen in Accrington:confused:


All times are GMT. The time now is 23:08.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.1
© 2003-2013 AccringtonWeb.com