Education, education, education
 

BBC News - UK schools fall in global ranking
Wonderful, seem to remember this was a slogan in Labours 1997 general election campaign, looks like another one went wrong:(

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aye blame em fer the snow n ice as well.:rolleyes:

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lmfao at a tory having the audacity to even dare bitch about education considering how they are just about to destroy the hope of further education for the majority of people lol

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That explains why Stephen Hendry was knocked out of the snooker yesterday. :D:D:D:hidewall::hidewall:

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There does seem to be a difference in standards through the generations. As to who's responsible ? Any number of factors, in these later years the dynamics of the classroom & more liberal attitudes. In my age group I'd say personal choices define our educational levels & the Generation prior to mine (my Parents generation) a completely different way of life, where kids were expected to be away & working by 15/16.

I interact with lads & lasses today who range in the ages 20-30 & am sometimes quite surprised to see the difficulty they sometimes have with basic maths & language skills(also highlighted recently by some UK business leaders). All the more surprising because education & Government departments keep saying that education & pass rates are improving, doesn't seem to be the case from where I'm standing.

So whatever the causes or problems may be, they need resolving ! Sooner rather than later for everyone's sake.

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Don't talk so bloody silly, three quarters won't pay a bean ya don't get £21 grand staking shelves at ASDA;)Before going to Univesity its better to learn to read and write first

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I fail to see how such global tests can have any real value .

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thats obvious, its so jaysay can slag labour, which is of great value to tory boy.:D

I think you are being very harsh towards Jaysays limited views Cashy, keep it up.
P.S. Before you blame the above on 13 years of labour rule Jay, you are wrong, It is all my own work.

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Helping my cousins lad in his fourth year with his maths, I find that he is doing things that we did in the first and second year at grammar school.

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Once Jay puts his Tory coloured glasses one nothing is safe from being blamed on labour. :D:D:D:D

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A "Blue Mancie" but without the rants & expletives ??? ;) :lol:

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And so Jaysay are you expecting UK schools to go up in the "global ranking" in the next five years?..with the £32billion of tory cuts in education I reckon we might struggle :rolleyes:

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:p:p:p:pNice to see you back and up to speed Less:p:p:p:D

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What you mean Alan I never take m off:D:D

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Well lets face it can't get any worse considering Education was one of Blairios flag ship policies 13 years ago:(

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Your quite wrong there Dave, i have no political alliegiances as i think that they are all a bunch of scheming lying self-serving crooks. :D:D:D

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Take it politicians aren't your cup of tea Alan:rolleyes::D

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I could produce a test that "proved" the people of Ossy were brainier than the people of Huncoat .

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that wouldn't be difficult huncoats full of paddys.:D

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I agree with you totally Al, was referring to our Jay in the comment, your comment was highlighted for the "Blue Gegs" observation. ;) :D

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To be sure, to be sure, to be sure:D:D

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So some employers question qualifications being presented ! Is it really any wonder when things like those in the article are so prevalent ?

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I have just had to buy (yes, buy) a copy of John Steinbeck's "Of Mice and Men" as my daughter is studying it for GCSE and the school can't afford to provide the pupils with a copy each, there are not even enough copies to share! Progress? I think not, even when I did my O-levels (as they were then) we got the chosen books, shabby though they may have been. As it is I've forked out nearly a tenner for a copy and the teaching notes. Not impressed.:mad:

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Same here too not even discounted price either :(

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Are the schools soley to blame?

Or is is Microsoft, Sony, Face Book ect thats corrupting young minds.:D

"M @ Skewl init on Fcebk cilin wi m M8's cnt b rsed 2 lrn mr import 2 updat mi status":D

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The last government have a lot to answer for, after all schools are still working on budgets set last april;)

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How can you have the cheek to question the Education system when you can't even spell properly yourself? It's University, with an R in !!!

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I reckon the fall in standards started with the introduction of 'Comprehensive' education. Before a certain Observer correspondent from Ossy dons his famous blue spectacles he should take a read at this.


Indeed, Mrs Thatcher (as she then was) is understood to have signed away more grammar schools between 1970 and 1974 than any other education secretary before or since.

And let's go further back still. Who brought in comprehensive schools in the first place? It is often - but mistakenly - believed that comprehensive schools were introduced by Harold Wilson's Labour government in the mid-1960s.

In fact, the first comprehensive schools were opened during the 1950s and early 1960s, under Conservative governments.

Full article: BBC NEWS | UK | Education | Grammar schools - why all the fuss?

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Looking at the attached tables (from last weeks Accrington Observer )

GCSE - Accrington Observer

seems only one Hyndburn secondary school (St. Christophers) was in the top half of the Lancashire national average listing , four other Hyndburn schools are way down near the bottom of the table, Rhyddings being 3rd from the bottom , Norden not much higher.

Can anyone offer an explanation for these poor local showings ,maybe a local County Councillor , failing that a Hyndburn Councillor ... Know that a few Accy web parents have a children attending these schools, care to make a comment, are you happy with the education your child is getting.

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Have you had permission to come back on Accy Web again :p

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'A flagship secondary school championed by Labour is to close just two years after it opened – but the taxpayer will be paying for it for another 23 years.'

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Pedantically speaking, education, and also university, shouldn't begin with a capital letter.

Must try harder.

(At least if you're going to criticise others for poor English.)

;)

Being overcritical yourself aren't you?
Even a first year pupil at secondary school knows the correct English is:-

University, with an R

INNIT?

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My daughter's school ( Hassy High) scored higher than any of the Hyndburn schools, although quite how they managed that with no books astounds me:confused:
I'll be asking some questions when Parent's Evening comes around, in fact I might just email the headmistress and ask if this "bring your own books" situation is new....

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Where do you think the fault lies lindsay:confused:

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Glad you linked that up G. hate to think what Mancie would have called me if I'd have done it myself. this is like a lot of Labours so call building projects, they used PFI, The Royal Blackburn Hospital being a priime example;)

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It disappoints me that one set of results shows that exams are too easy in schools and another shows that the country is breeding a bunch of underacheivers.

My school education was set by the teachers and I did exceptionally well, why not go back to that system instead?

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To pour further boiling oil on the raging waters around education ! EMA, I was never paid to go to school & I'm pretty sure a lot of people on here weren't so why is EMA supposedly seen as so important ?It was introduced around 2003/4 although a pilot had been running since 1999. Was the true reason a cynical ploy by powers that be to manipulate unemployment figures & further the dependency culture ? While at the same time sowing the seeds for future party militants & "Their rights!" ?

Now the threat of it being cut has raised the heads of these mini militants in the form of protest action ! Er, aren't they supposed to be at school/college getting their education today ? Or is it because a few have come to see it as a handout/pocket money from the state & their right to do as they please with ? Some of the students questioned have admitted as much !

Generally curious as to peoples views ! Especially any in receipt of such largess & what it means to them. (Honestly)

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Yes because he goes to St Christophers.

Did you notice anything obvious about the majority of the schools at the top of the list?

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Yup, I bet they don't have to bring their own soddin' books at Clitheroe Grammar !
In reply to Jaysay, I don't know where the fault lies, like I said in my day everyone got a copy ofthe same edition of the book and you signed your name at the front of it on a little stuck on form. Seems a bit ridiculous if the teacher wants to refer to a specific page in her copy and 32 kids all have different editions....

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I never thought about the page thing like that and I can't remember if we had to buy our own books at Clitheroe Grammar, I left in 88 and my memory is failing me :D

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Lindsay I totally agree with you, I honestly think that no government has come out well with education over the last thirty years, but I sure as hell don't know the answer:(

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Kels' copy has arrived today, it will be getting her name written in it!! Apparently her class are sharing the supply of books with another class and "are not allowed to take them home" . I have written a letter into school asking if this fiasco is common practice and can we have next year's reading list in preparation ! :rolleyes:

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Thirteen years of Labour misrule .... :eek:;):D

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This don't make much sense to me if it is supposed to save money... at present people between the ages of 17/18 in higher education can claim EMA at around £20/£30 per week.. if living at home with parents this is thier only income...when the EMA is abolished it seems to me the only other option for these young people.. judging by the massive upturn in 16 to 18yr old unemployment rates over the last six months... is to expect thier parents to keep them and/or sign on the dole!.. what a lame excuse this is to reduce the deficit...the future this government are offering is one that gives no opportunity or help when our youngsters leave school at 16.. it is a disgrace.

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Maybe people need to start thinking that kids leave education at 18 and not 16 and that if you decide to have children they will be in school until they are 18 and you will have to provide for them at least until then.

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Looks like you've got the message Eric:mosher::mosher:

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re. my earlier above post .... a new report in the Observer shows that Norden High School (Rishton/Hyndburn) is to be congratulated as one of the top 100 improved schools nationwide , yet it is still listed as being one of the lowest performing schools in Lancashire .(see link above)
Question ... who takes responsibility for the place providing such a crap education to todays youngsters and those from previous years .......any Local or County Councillor want to hold up their hand
Accrington latest Blog Archive Rishton school in country’s top 100

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The education system as far as I can see it has become a bureaucratic mess since I left school. I cannot fault a single part of my primary and secondary education and was taught a huge range of things which would probably result in immediate suspension for any teacher trying it these days.

Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds, encouraging me to bring in my story tapes so that we could all sit and listen, handing over editing of the school videos to me because I had no interest in woodwork, teaching me how to play the keyboard because sports day was a complete bore for both myself and the music teacher....

Unfortunately, we're now sitting in a country where no one is allowed to be individual except on television programmes such as American Idol or Big Brother so everyone is judged by exactly the same standards.

I gave up on all these league tables years ago. Kids are shown to be both underacheiving and overacheiving from week to week depending on whose report it is. Exams are too easy and too hard, teachers are pushing them too far and being too lax, physical education is generating favouritism whilst ensuring that all kids are equal but most of all we're breeding a nation of potential schizophrenics.

The headmaster at Norden is a fine man and understands how children work and the team of teachers there does the best they can within the confines they find themselves in. What these marvellous league tables fail to recognise is the simple principle of demographics:

PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT

None of this existed for my mum and dad yet strangely they've done OK in life.