Man caught warning motorists of speed camera is fined
 

BBC News - Grimsby driver defends warning others of speed gun



So a man who has succeeded in getting motorists to slow down is persecuted in an attempt to get motorists to slow down?
do you warn other motorists? I do..

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Yes, I would(and did when I was driving).......it serves the purpose.
Too often, the motorist is seen as a cash cow....speed cameras are rarely placed where they will do the most good(accident blackspots)......but they are placed where they will catch most motorists.

There is no evidence that speed cameras make the roads safer....in fact they may make them more dangerous. It is a well documented fact that motorists will slow down on the approach to a speed camera, then speed up again once they have passed the point where they can be 'flashed'.

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Lorry Drivers Warn other Lorry Drivers of Speed cameras Daily . I do it myself . I will carry on doinging it . Brakes on vehicles has become alot better in recent years , Both cars and lorrys . If i go round a corner like a roundabout too fast , my trailer brakes will come on and there is nothing i can do to stop it till the lorry is round the roundabout .

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Be wary of these vans , they can and do catch you speeding both ways .

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I don't drive anymore....and himself has a perfectly legal device which warns if you are exceeding the speed on the stretch of road you are travelling on.......a nagging woman tells him to slow down until within the legal range(no it isn't me......it's a machine)....and the best of it is she doesn't stop telling him until he complies.......she is the only woman that he listens to! :D

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seems we have a conservative police force now, anything to squeeze money out of people, stupid planks (i've given up swearing for the new year)

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Bet that resolution doesn't last long.:D

Retlaw

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charming

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I just checked my text messages :p


I went through a speed trap coming home from Scotland just north of the border, think they were after English motorists :D
I was doing about 90mph in terrible weather and must have been lucky, maybe too much spray for the camera to pick out my reg plate. It was that bad I had my eyes closed and was driving using the force. The night before going up was even worse. It always rains or snows when I go up there, even in summer.

That was a friday, on the Monday I went through a 30mph speed trap in Croxteth, Liverpool (don't ask I like to live dangerously) I was above the limit again as I thought it was 40, good sized 2 lanes each side dual carraigeway. This one was probably in a sensible place but the motorway one was just a money making exercise.

This was in November so I must have got away with both. I hope that front number plate passing the MOT again, I would hate to have to change it for one you can read :rolleyes::D

Yes I do warn people, always have and I will carry on doing. I always thought it was illegal to park on a motorway bridge so how come they can park a van illegally on one to point a laser at you?

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Now I've heard everything!

If I know that motorists coming towards me are going to encounter a hazard which will make them brake sharply, I see it as my duty to warn them about it. It could be a fallen telegraph pole, a cow in the road or a jobsworth with a speed camera. I don't see an iota of difference between them.

I have always done it, and will continue to do so. The CPS should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, and should concentrate their increasingly scarce resources on prosecuting criminals.

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By flashing oncoming cars you could cause them to brake sharply as well though

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Why is sticking to the speed limit deemed to be a bind? Surely as sensible drivers you would all agree that using a mobile phone is against the law, so why do you find it necessary to flout the speed restrictions? As a non driver I'm sure my opinions will count for very little on here but can assure you that as a pedestrian speeding was a major issue for me at my former address. Luckily now I live in a cul-de-sac where speeding isn't an issue but am sure that many of you would be up in arms if your childrens/grandchildrens lives were put in danger by speeding drivers. Why not follow the law with regards to speeding as in any other area of your daily lives???

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Many laws are created by idiots reacting to current events like the gun and knife laws.

Mobile phones and cars. I use mine all the time with a full bluetooth car kit. I think it is safer to talk on a bluetooth kit than it is to a passenger. You are never tempted to look at the person you are talking to when on the phone.

I agree about speed limits in most areas but some are just silly.

40mph on a big A road then turn off onto a country lane and its 60mph.

70mph on an empty motorway is also wrong in my opinion.

Illegally parked camera vans on footpaths, in bus stops and grass verges is also wrong but they still do it.

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I flash me lights and will carry on, they may have done this guy to make and "example" to other people but to be honest many people who flash will keep on flashing......................................thie r lights I mean!! ahem!! ;)

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no sympathy what so ever,these measures are here to enforce the legal speed limits in this country,which should be addeared to,even if the motorway is empty and its 3 a.m in the morning its still 70mph,so i will just go as bit faster,oh dear i have just been done by a police car on a bridge,tough if you cant stick to the legal limit,weather it be 30 mph or 70 mph you are a menace on the roads,these laws are there to be observed and to make the roads safer,and yes he was guilty of obstructing a police officer in the execution of his duty, ARCHBOLDS CRIMINAL LAW MANUAL, ROAD TRAFFIC ACT 1967 SUB SECTION 47 PARAGRAPH vii

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Way back i seam to remember the AA used to warn its member motorists of things like this if i am right
like there was a copper about etc

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They cant use hand held camera's in the dark.........so I am informed ;)

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yes mick you are right,in the late 50,s and early 60,s the motorcycle AA men used to indicate a speed trap by putting up their right hand like a red indian how sign,as they had big white leather gloves on this was always seen by the oncoming motorist,the practise was stopped in 1965 when the police warned them that they would take serious action if they did not stop this practise,hope this helps

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the device used is not a hand held camera but an infra red radar that sends a light source to your vehicle and this bounces back to the machine off your car and the speed is calculated by the time it takes for the beam to return to the machine, easy if you know how and then the police car further up the motor way stops you, SIMPLES

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yep thanks:D
it was just a thought was not sure:D

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So next time I see an old lady about to be mugged, I won't step in and stop the attack because I'll be obstructing the police in the course of their duty to apprehend the mugger.

At the point of me flashing a warning, the other motorist may not yet have committed the offence, as speed cameras are often sited at a point just after the speed limit changes down. If I can prevent them from committing the offence, I am performing a civic duty.

I repeat. The CPS should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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When I was driving I used to flash other motorists all the time not so much for speed cameras, but police in lay bys. Its not the first time some one has been done for this, its happened before and it will happen again

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So now we know who that phantom flasher was it was Jaysay:indeplus::indeplus::indeplus:

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....but the judge threw the case out, saying it was too much fuss over a little thing like that.

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You wouldn't want it as a wart on your nose:D:D

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Na not me mick never owned a raincoat mate:p:p:p

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as i seem to recall from the original post,it was,nt a speed camera he was warning motorists about it was a mobile speed gun,there is a big diference,as a speed camera is not classed as or has never been a policeman,the point is he warned other motorists about an officer of the law using a speed gun,thus interfering or obstructing a police officer whilst said police officer was doing his duty,please read the original post,as it clearly says speed camera

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So next time I see an old lady about to be mugged, I won't step in and stop the attack because I'll be obstructing the police in the course of their duty to apprehend the mugger.

At the point of me flashing a warning, the other motorist may not yet have committed the offence, as speed cameras are often sited at a point just after the speed limit changes down. If I can prevent them from committing the offence, I am performing a civic duty.

I repeat. The CPS should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

So glynn if a child or relative of yours was knocked down by a speeding car,or a car going over the prescribed speed limit would it be your civic duty to pick that dead person up or go and tell their parents that he or she was dead.

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What a load of rubbish.

So are the police there to just make money?

So what if someone was warning the cars to slow down, at least they did what its all supposed to be about didnt they? Slowing the motorists down?

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Where the speeding "limits" not set in the 60's sometime... when ABS, ESP, TCS and other brake distribution controls where a mere pipe dream...

Cars stop in almost half the time of the highway code these days...

Its all part of the "nanny" state we live in...

And yes in a 30 zone where its built up then by all means stick to or near the limit but I bet you a pound to a penny, not ONE person on here who drives has never broke the limit... not ONE....

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I have broke it!!!!!!!!! :D:o;)

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:mosher: rock on !!! :D

I've never, ever broke it.... ever...

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Do you not drive Bob?? :DOnly answer really...............;)

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Wow how very rock & roll of you :D

Half the camera vans you see are parking in silly places obstructing the road or footpath.

Speed is not always a factor when someone is hit by a car. Basically you can't hit them if they are not on the road and its not always the drivers fault.
I have hit 2 people, both not my fault, both in Burnley strangely but I don't think that was relevant.

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Yes of course I drive and yes of course I break the speed limit pal, like I said if anyone says they dont then thats lies I tell thee... ;)

I dont go round blasting myself back to the future at every opportunity but yes if i'm on my way home from work i will do 80mph maybe 90mph sometimes, i'm always careful if theres things around but as for open roads and motorways then why not...

And again before the road captains get their hats on i'm not saying blast your way through at twice the limit but is 35-40 in a 30mph really that bad... if you gps your speed at an indicated 30mph you will only being doing 26ish mph anyhoo !!! 34mph on my dash is 30mph gps speed... so if on my dahs i'm doing 37-8mph then i'm only doing around 33-34mph, should I really be hung drawn and quartered just for that...

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Theres the issue matey !!! lol

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Also, excuse my ignorance but how do YOU hit 2 people if its not YOUR fault !!! lol !!!

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Dont you start mister or I will come and get you in me super speedy car
:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

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I dont go round blasting myself back to the future at every opportunity but yes if i'm on my way home from work i will do 80mph maybe 90mph sometimes, i'm always careful if theres things around but as for open roads and motorways then why not...

I am exactly the same as you, I dont go bombing around but I do find it very hard to stick to a certain limit ;)

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I find its much harder to drive slowly !!! sometimes on "eco" mode when its the end of the month and i'm making the diesel last I take it reaaaaaaal easy on the mway and its hard ! you have to be well on your toes !!! lol !!!

Be careful when your parking that ferrari though YES !!! lol !!!

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hahahaha i wish!!! my lil VW polo does me well, very nippy dont you know!!! :D

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My work van has just been limited to 62mph.And its dire sometimes you do need to have a bit in reserve even if it means driving above the speed limit on the motorway.I do try to stick to the limit around built up areas because the kids these days just dont look at junctions when on their bikes or on foot and i dont want that on my conscience if i hit anybody for the sake of a few miles an hour.
But the story at the start of the thread i think is a waste of the courts and police time i have flashed to warn other motorists of speed traps and will continue to do so,it seems its just about the cash not the safety on the roads.;):(

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I imagine it is lovely and in "girl" mode its probably even quicker YES....

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How can he be done for obstructing an officer ? If as they say the Cameras & other tools Plod uses are to prevent accidents & make people slow down (as opposed to the strongly held public belief that they're actually about making money)then surely Mr.Thompson was assisting & not obstructing ?

Similar cases have cropped up elsewhere & have been thrown out. It appears the Police don't like to be pulled up when they do wrong so will apply some general purpose law to get their way as has also been proven on various occasions in regard to various other "offences".

Here an example :-


DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC PROSECUTIONS v GLENDINNING (2005)

DC (Scott Baker LJ, Owen J) 13/10/2005

CRIMINAL LAW - POLICE - ROAD TRAFFIC

OBSTRUCTION OF POLICE : SPEEDING : WARNING MOTORISTS OF SPEED TRAPS : WARNING DRIVERS : ACTUS REUS OF OFFENCE

Where an individual gave a warning to motorists of the presence of a police speed trap, it was necessary for the prosecution to prove that those warned were either exceeding the legal speed limit or were likely to do so at the location of the speed trap for the individual to commit an offence of obstructing a police constable in the execution of his duty.

The appellant appealed by way of case stated against a decision of the Crown court that the respondent (G) had no case to answer to a charge of obstructing a police constable in the execution of his duty. Police constables had established a speed trap on a lay-by of a dual carriageway. The constables observed G making a slow-down signal with his hand to drivers behind him. G was subsequently convicted in the magistrates' court of obstructing a police constable in the execution of his duty. G successfully appealed his conviction to the Crown court, which held that the video evidence showed that none of the drivers were travelling in excess of the speed limit and that they had not reacted to G's signals by slowing down. Accordingly the Crown court held that G had no case to answer. The issue was whether, for there to be an obstruction of a police constable in the execution of his duty by warning others of the presence of a speed trap, it was necessary for the prosecution to prove that those warned were either exceeding the legal speed limit or were likely to do so at the location of the speed trap.

HELD: The actus reus of the offence could only be established where the prosecuting authority proved that those warned were either exceeding the legal speed limit or were likely to do so at the location of the speed trap. On the facts of the instant case it was clear that there was no actual obstruction by G, Bastable v Little (1907) 1 KB 59, Betts v Stevens (1910) 1 KB 1, Green v Moore (1982) 126 SJ 79 considered.

Here in Germany the local radio broadcasts with Police encouragement where speed traps are to be sited, people ring in & report them to the DJ's who then relay it to all & sundry. I can even pick up a"Blitzscheine" (piece of paper with mobile Camera locations) listed for the following week in & around my area ! That is all prevention as far as I'm concerned & if I get caught out after all that well it's my own fault. Incidentally I also warn others by flashing my headlights.

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:eek::eek::eek: "girl" mode???!!! What you trying to say???!!! :eek::eek::eek:

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:ninja8:

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Are you hiding behind that Ninja??!! Girl mode......tututut!!! ;)

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I suspect Alan 7554 might just be a traffic Police man... the way he qoutes the highway code and other things seem to suggest an easy knowledge of the subject and the law.

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I were thinking the same Marg, maybe he is going undercover to see people's reactions to this subject. He will deff get that on here!!! ;)

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There was an expert on the radio saying that he made the mistake of defending himself. If he'd used a lawyer they would have raised the case mentioned above and the prosecution would have been thrown out. Isn't he appealing? If he does and uses a lawyer he will probably win, but how much is it going to cost him?

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Maybe, but if this IS the case then he should also know that driving "swift" is safe in some scenarios...

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See his post#16 in this thread
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...tml#post751912
He has been here before under another name?

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So Mr.Thompson wasbreaking laws because Plod didn't sanction his goodly intentions, but oh if they had ...... well that would've been OK then ?

Police to recruit army of villagers to crackdown on speeding cars (From The Northern Echo)

Why do I get the impression that Plod seems to be making a mockery of the laws of the land when they apply them as they see fit ?

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Do the Police really think that they are going to stop drivers speeding or should i say " Driving to the roads and drivers safe ability" If not then it is just a money making scheme .

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mmmmmmm interestin read that, thanks MargR. Makes you think if need to be carefull ;)

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Was he not Stan the Monkey?

He mentions on post 16 that he only got One Conviction.

Anyone can Google Information.;)
Highway Code

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I think your right it reads as though he was stan the monkey:eek:

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He might be a very conscientious Driver Margaret:rolleyes::rolleyes:;):D

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Yes, you could well be right.
It was the 'ploddish' way he wrote that made me think 'policeman'.
I stand corrected...again!...this is getting to be a habit:D

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How can it be my fault if I am slowing down 20 yards from traffic lights and an old chap walks out from behind a park truck in front of me.

the other was a 3 year old girl playing on the street while mummy was in the house. Even the Police man said she was an idiot for letting her play out. She was really lucky. I saw her walking towards the footpath edge and was braking before she stepping into the road. I only just touched her (still not sure if I did ) and she fell in front of the car in the road.

The old man was on the bonnet, walking sticks and hearing aids all over the place :eek:

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Hang on while I put my scared face on :rofl38::rofl38:

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Speed cameras and fixed penalty notices are just a quick way for the govt to make money,Its a case of less paperwork for officers in the case of fixed penalties, and a case of cameras being placed where they know folk will be caught-- irrespective of whether it is a known blackspot for speeding.

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Looks like you got wind actually............:p

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Well having had a driving license for over 23 years, I have only ever received one speeding ticket.

I am most certainly not a saint, that said I do stick to 30/40 in built up areas if the weather and conditions permit. Yes on the Motorway I do about 80mph maybe more sometimes, like most people. It is not right and I got caught driving at a average of 90mph on the M60 at 3am in the morning, it was a fair cop.

But my car is a German high performance Coupe, it has always been looked after by decent mechanics from day one and always had genuine manufacturer parts fitted. It does not need shocks, brake pads etc. The tyres fitted are good quality, in fact dammed expensive ones, always replaced at around the 3mm tread mark and the car can and does stop in much shorter distances than the highway code suggests. I have taken my advanced driving test several years ago and have undertaken several high performance track days, even driving on the Nurburgring. The techniques used helps you understand the concept of car control and how to implement it.

There is no excuse for speeding, but also there is no excuse for bad driving and the problem these days is that the police are targeting speeders with speed guns, vascar, laser and speed cameras. This is a political decision taken by the government at the time, I am not getting this in to politics.

There is nothing more dangerous than a driver tailgating at 30 mph in snow covered and icy roads, as seen first hand in recent weeks.

But back to the original point.... I too warn others of Police traps when I see them, the prosecution of Mr Thompson is, in my opinion, not in the public interest and therefore a waste of taxpayers money.

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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...52_308x206.jpg
Slow down perhaps he's flashing to warn of a speed trap ahead:D:D

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lol, remind me to keep an eye out for you sir !!! lol !

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Thats no good, our Neils like wispering death:D:D

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Ahhhhhh John you beat me to it!!!! :D:rolleyes::D

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I had a driving licence for 25 years....and never got prosecuted for speeding.
I was once stopped by an officer on the M65 motorway......I was driving a clapped out beat up(but mechanically sound...and serviced) Ford Fiesta 1000cc......he stopped me for exceeding the speed limit by 3 miles per hour(I was coming downhill).......I was in Uniform and he gave me a warning, saying he would be watching out for me in future.......as he went back to his vehicle I muttered under my breath.....'and I sure as hell will be watching out for you'.
I think this guy dropped down on a sky hook.

I am no angel, and admit that at times, on a clear dry road I probably did exceed the speed limit(NO, I know I Did)....but as Boeing Guy observes there are other offences happening that are far more dangerous.........Tailgating, undertaking, and driving at the speed limit when conditions make this unsafe(snow, driving rain, fog) I have seen all these things on a regular basis....these are the dangerous behaviours that should be the target.

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Why is undertaking dangerous? Many countries allow it. You should never change lane without making sure the one you are moving into is clear. The problem is motorists driving in the wrong lane. Last week I had to move from lane 1 to lane 4 and back to overtake a car sat in lane 3

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I hate that!!!!!! :mad::D:rolleyes:
I always flash at them aswell!!! :eek:

Perhaps if you were in the correct lane, no-one would have to undertake you?
Concentrate on moving to the left hand lane wherever possible rather than showing your indignation by flashing, please.

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I know, it is allowed in Australia, but it always looks so damned dangerous to me....and many folk don't appear to look when they change lanes.

I always drove in the Left hand lane(I am talking motorway driving) unless I was overtaking......and that was what I was taught was correct.

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I was once caught speeding, and was given the choice of a fine and three points on my licence, or attend a course on road safety. I chose the latter, and it was a very useful day. A lecture from a traffic policeman on the dangers of speeding followed by a drive with an advanced driving instructor pointing out any deficiencies in my driving technique. I found it very useful.

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:thumbsup: Errrrrrm right then Less will do in future cocker!!!!



:bootyshak
***Walks away not biting the bait***
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I remember some years ago I was setting of on a work trip at 7am Sunday morning, we were travelling down the M6, which was deserted, when we came across this elderly couple idling down the middle lane at about 35mph, my mate started flashing for the driver to move to the slow lane, no chance, his wife was looking out through the back window looking daggers at us, eventually after a few miles he actually moved over, as we drew level this chap shouts there's another lane out there why not uses it, to which I informed him in words of one syllable that HGVs were not allowed in the fast lane:dflam::dflam:

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What he probably doesn't realise is that if everyone did that, then average speeds would go up. The basis for that theory is that drivers would feel comfortable driving faster as they would get advance warnings of traps. So his civic duty theory is flawed in my opinion.

I'm surprised the police got away with a conviction, though. Misuse of lamps is worthy of a verbal warning at most. How can the police complain about him obstructing their duties when there are plenty of websites, satnavs and AA road maps that also warn drivers of speed camera locations. Nottingham CC (and others, I'm sure) have a website warning of their own temporary speed camera locations on a week by week basis.

The police should have pulled him over, I agree with them for that. He should just have been given a ticking off for using his main beam lamps inappropriately. According to the highway code, they should only be flashed to warn other road users of your presence. Car signals are indiscriminate - they are one-way broadcasts to road users and pedestrians that can see or hear them. Because they apply to everyone, their meaning should be unambiguous - however these days a horn can mean:

• You're an idiot
• Your taxi is here
• Hey - I know you - wave at me
• I'm approaching a blind corner if you can hear this, be careful

and flashed headlights can mean

• Thank you
• You're welcome
• You can go before me
• You pedestrians can cross
• Mind that rozzer
• You have a petrol hose still attached to your car
• I'm approaching a blind corner if you can see this, be careful

I'm sure you can think of your own additions - but from each list above, only one "meaning" applies to everyone that can see/hear the signal. All the rest are intended to be directed at someone even though the signal itself can be sensed by anyone.

So if someone I can see already flashes his lights I ignore it. It's probably directed at someone else, but if it's intended for me I'll find out what's happening eventually anyway. It's many years since I heard a horn or saw flashed headlamps being used as the highway code stipulates.