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If he prints "I don't give a stuff about the Royal Wedding" I'll order 3 straight away. :D:D:D
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I've no axe to grind against the Royal Family or the Conservatives. I can take or leave the former and I despise Labour every bit as much as I do the Tories. I just think in this time of stringent costcutting measures, it's sheer madness to squander public money on Royal Wedding celebrations. However, far more importantly, what's all this about not being overly fond of football? I thought you said you were coming up the Stanley on Saturday? I was really looking forward to meeting you! |
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I'm stating that far from being 'priceless', with residential care homes for disabled children threatened with closure, as well as hundereds of local jobs being at risk, it is an irresponsible waste of money. No factual evidence can be given as to any finacial returns. That would be guess work. Which is never a good thing to do, when faced with dire straits. Even with other peoples' money. As for megalomanical, you might want to check your vocabulary, as well as your facts. If you mean not afraid of speaking out, when something is obviously wrong. Yes that's me. Bring it on. I've always been comfortable in my own skin ever to feel the need to chase power, or wealth. Nor do I suffer from mental illness. Though I do occasionally fear for the sanity of some poor deluded souls. |
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I'm 'more money than sense', please to meet you. Although having met you, the label I'd stick on you, if forced to, would either be 'straight as a die', or 'honest as the day is long'. Takes all sorts. Some'll happily fork out for a full orchestra, to belt out 'Land of Hope and Glory', without a hope in Hell of actually paying them for doing so. (No smiley, so as not to cause anyone grave offence.) |
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All united, from right-wing Tory, to left-wing red, and the many moderates, of no particular political persuasion, in thinking this is an utter waste of their money. It is about costs. |
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How else would you take that virtual comment, Wynonie ? Implied that I was questioning your right not to comment on your vote and, as explained, I did not question that in the first place. Wouldn't exactly call you a liar . that's a bit strong ... just that you were being sarcastic with me, without just cause. Well, am coming off this thread now as, as predicated, has just resorted to a slanging match due to the fact that I dared to vote a 'yes' on the poll and tried to be reasonable about the costs and dared to look at the bigger picture. 'Course I have not got around to the loyalty for our past and how the world is envious about our Monarchy. The ceremony with our soldiers and dignitaries in their smart uniforms, the golden coach, the absolute professional organisation we have for such events. The past memories of the bringing together families like our Queen's marriage, when ration coupons were still being distributed, but still helped to hold the country together. And, of course, the millions it will bring into the country. However, mustn't digress into the National contribution as Garinda said, but seems able to spread his own tentacles into other areas. Bet all you 'no's' will have a quick peek anyway and derive some sort of pleasure and pride from it... :p And bet there are loads of members on here who would vote yes but daren't due to preempting attacks such as these. |
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Also, if you think that there are hordes of subdued would-be "yes" voters, cowed into silence, then you have a very low opinion of your fellow Accywebbers. From my experience of this forum, the vast majority of members will come right out and say what they think, regardless of Gary's, Cashy's, mine or anybody else's opinion! (Look - no emoticons!). |
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i dont know ... thats why i havent voted .... cant make my mind up either way ....
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The vast majority of people object on principle, to there being any costs involved at all, to be funded from the public purse, and therefore paid for by themselves. We'll just have to agree to disagree. You and Neil are happy paying for the royal wedding celebrations. The rest of Hyndburn disagree, and are not so very keen. To say the least. :) P.S. As a holiday idea, why not join the millions of fellow tourists and visit France's historic palaces and monuments? Toy Town soldiers, in ever such cute uniforms. A thousand rooms at Versailles to mooch around. Rather than a miserly ten at Buck House. All this, and the only royal personage you're likely to see will probably be a ghost. Bon voyage. :) |
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Nevertheless, Wynonie, it did degenerate into a bullying attack on my opinion and would never have attacked anyone on their opinion except constructively I would hope.
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Don't let cash cuts ruin my son's life | Accrington Observer - menmedia.co.uk Afraid. Afraid the respite care home her severely disabled child attends, is likely to be closed, to save money, means the mattter for me was very cut and dried, about where taxes are most needed. Yes, LCC funds the homes, but they are funded by our council taxes, and this is about principle. Well used, and much needed and appreciated public toilets are being closed down, in order 'to save money', whilst thousands are going to be blown on an event most people seem apathetic about. You have the right not to vote, and to voice your opinion that you haven't. To me it couldn't be more clear cut. It's right versus wrong. |
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I have voted No because in these hard times think the money could be better used elsewhere. We could maybe get the toilets in Peel Street re-opened:rolleyes:
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'Some' didn't seem particularly bulied or victimised, when giving their strongly worded opinions about how people spent their OWN money. Was it 'constructive' to say my hardworking mother had 'more money than sense', for spending £8.00 per head for lunch? I just found that rude and offensive. Certainly not constructive, when discussing good local cafes. Objecting to how all our money is being spent, in the form of council tax, is bullying? No it isn't. It's about speaking out, when something is blatantly wrong. At least in the eyes of the vast majority. When we face such frightening cuts, spending any public money on this is event wrong. If people want to organise, and pay for their own celebrations, fine. Not a problem for me. Good luck to 'em. |
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Maybe the six should club together for a mini bus and watch the celebrations in another town, sure it would be cheaper, for hyndburns tax payers anyway.
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Should local taxes be spent celebrating this?
That was the Question and the choices were YES or NO. I didn't know I had to justify my reasons for voting No or indeed explain them,But if I must, I am with the majority that think public money could be better spent. I'm not against parties but I always managed to fund my own.:theband::cheers::cake::alc::drink::bleedht::p ain30: |
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I have voted No, money could be better spent.
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I was merely pointing out that others have also given strongly worded opinions, including non-constructive criticism, that were irrelevant. Another reason to cross-reference two threads, was both discussed costs. Though one was about self-financed costs, and the other requiring public funds from the tax payer. I have similarly mentioned subjects discussed in other threads, because they help illustrate the likely costs involved in hosting civic leisure events. Happily I've got quite a good memory, and won't apologise for bringing up something someone may have said in an earlier thread, if it happens to add any relevance. I shall continue doing that, until it is no possible for me to do so. I've just reread this thread, Gawd help me, and see no evidence of anyone being bullied. If others do think this is bullying, I can only pity their innocence, and assume they've never actually seen any real bullying. From ardent royalist to arch republican, the majority of people don't want public money spent on celebrating Prince William's wedding in Hyndburn. As others have posted, even William has said they want a low key celebration themselves, mindful of the economic crisis. The majority think it wrong to spend local money on it, and so do I. I'll keep on saying this passionately 'til I'm blue in the face, if need be. If that makes me a bully in some eyes, I'll live with that quite happily. Knowing what I do of their opinions, about other things, and people. I still say what I've said, in the way that I've said it, if I was in a one percent minority. It's what I wholeheartedly believe. |
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And I won't be one of those taking a quick peek.
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Apparently not much in it for the vast majority of people. Besides having to pay the bill. |
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i reckon the latest recruit number 7 is a real wind up merchant, aint ya G.G.;):D
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If they spend money on the wedding there might be nothing left for barmpot schemes like flashdances and waterless swimming.;)
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Questions were put to the Leader of the Council, summarised below, to which he
responded - To ask the Leader of the Council how much he intended to spend on the proposed royal wedding celebrations in April, bearing in mind guidance from Buckingham Palace that this was to be an “austerity wedding” and bearing in mind the likelihood of compulsory redundancies within the Council (Councillor Parkinson) COUNCIL Sadly the response isn't given here. Any councillor present care to enlighten us? |
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Mmmmmmm also interesting to read about the Market Hall trading days aswell......... |
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I will enjoy the event , mostly through TV , and I might raise a glass or two to toast the happy couple , but it will be at my expense . I admire the Queen and I think William is making a good start on his way to becoming King . :) I won't comment on Charles . :eek: |
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This is about unnecessary costs. For instance if there's a budget already set aside for bedding plants, I'm sure only the churlish would disagree with the plan to have a red, white, and blue colour scheme. Not collecting fees for road closures, because of street parties, again no real finacial cost to the tax payer. No problem. As it stands, we have ardent royalists voting no, they don't want their taxes spent on local civic celebrations. Sentiments which seem to echo the thoughts of the couple themselves. That the wedding should be relatively low key, and excess and extravagance should be kept to a minimum, because of the dire state of the UK economy, and the savage cuts we are beginning to see. Yet Hyndburn plans to mark the occasion with majestic pomp and pageanty, topped off by exploding fireworks. Which the majority of those who'll pay for it seem disinterested or apathetic about, to say the least. Whilst others are very angry. |
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But, the majority are represented by Their Councillors, they, (the Councillors), (despite the couple themselves, insisting that this wedding should be low key), insist on spending our money in celebration. Rindy, Surely now is a time to back down? Surely THEY know better than you? They have after all, been voted in because they KNOW. Surely you must realise the importance of putting self before populace? Award yourself a medal. Creep like mad to Royalty. Get a knighthood. Continue creeping to the right powers, and become... Lord Yellow badge of Hyndburn, a bigger title, gosh, won't that do us, his subjects a power of good? |
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I gave my opinion, and started this poll to see if I was alone in thinking council taxes shouldn't be spent on official celebrations. It seems I'm not alone. |
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Ooooh, I'm into MagsR territory, Nothing to back it up, please, treat this as a denial! :) |
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There are only two thrones, and Peter and Marlene will be enthroned on those. So it'll be standing room only...for Katex, Neil, and yourself. So you might want to keep a little stool under your costume. ;) http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1120/...e74317eeeb.jpg |
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As a resident of London, I was unaware that you paid council tax to Hyndburn Borough Council. The body who are actually spending money on this local jamboree. I didn't know money from Tower Hamlet's found it's way into HBC's coffers. :rolleyes: |
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Don't do a thread wander - it's bad form. Answer the question instead.
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A thread wander? This thread has over 10 pages, whom, with what wander and evasive post do you mean? |
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That honour will fall on local residents, who'll provide the money via their council taxes. Of course you are entitled to vote, and are very welcome to say we should have these planned events, and fork out money to pay for them. The fact is the vast majority of residents happen to disagree. ;) |
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Why don't you google the finances for HBC? I can't be bothered now, but if you do, you'll find that they received about £15m from the local council taxpayers. In addition, they received about another £7m which was sent up from London. That is money collected from every taxpayer in the land - including me. You may also have seen today's news about Barclays Bank and their profits of £6bn. About a third of that is going to end up in the UK treasury; some of that in turn will end up in the coffers of HBC. Barclays Bank HQ location - Churchill Place, Tower Hamlets. Almost next door to HSBC, who will probably be paying even more into the UK Treasury and neither of whom received money in the taxpayer bailout. |
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(Perhaps I should start a poll, to further prove the point.) :rolleyes: |
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I'm sure we'd all love to know, if you'd care to share the information. :rolleyes: |
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So members could gauge if they were nearing their recommended daily/monthy/annual post allowance. ;) Back on to the subject's thread. I'll ask again. Was any councillor, or anyone else present, when the question was offically asked of the Leader, exactly how much the budget for the events will be? |
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What about you? Presumably locked indoors watching back episodes of Corrie or Big Brother, supping tea and eating a cheese butty. |
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What great things have they planned? How much budget has been set aside to fund it? We need to know, so we don't look like the poor country cousin. If your council is planning very lavish public events, HBC might want to up their spending, so we don't look mean. Please feel free to share with us your London council's full programme of events in Tower Hamlets. |
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Try as I might, all I'm coming up with is hard-line Muslim politicans, who haven't yet publicised your own programme in Tower Hamlets. I did find your local anarchist group's plans, re: the royal wedding, but they seemed more violent, than celebratory in concept. |
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Fireworks, street parties, etc. Roads closed off. Don't have the full details yet. Happy now? |
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A near quarter of a million budget. Let's hope that figure shames our own council. All we require now is evidence of that figure, from some offical source, and then yes, we'll be happy. We'll wait for you to provide that... |
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If people want to sit in the wind and rain, whilst eating their jelly and ice creams, with the wet bunting flapping above, good for them. Though judging by the apathetic reaction on here, with even the ardent royalists apparently prefering to watch the wedding in the comfort of their own homes, it'll be interessting to see just how many street parties there'll be in Hyndburn. The vast majority of people are objecting to money being spent on a programme of civic celebrations, that we are told will centre around the Market Hall. Big difference. ;) |
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Because otherwise it becomes meaningless, and some could say that it perhaps wasn't true. That's why. ;) |
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So what's HBC's budget then?
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Everyone who knows me on here knows that my word is my bond. Do you want me to type this out in my own blood? |
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Ask Ken when he comes on later, his lot will have to pay for it when the bill arrives in May... |
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If you'd read the thread (post 142) you'd see the question was asked and recorded in the minutes of a meeting in council chambers, but sadly not the Leader's response. Any how, as it stands, to the question should HBC spend tax payers' money on a programme of wedding celebrations... 3 Hyndburn residents have voted yes. 46 Hyndburn residents have voted no. As a small, yet diverse sample of residents in the borough, the people of Hyndburn have spoken, and said... NO! ;) |
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All we ask is evidence the council's budget is £240,000.00, as you stated it was. Once we know our own budget, we'll be able to make interesting comparissons as to the worth of each. As posted, there's no hurry. We'll wait for you to provide the evidence. |
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That blame can be claimed by those officals who seemed to want to hide the full costs. |
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That is still less than the 80%of the total Poll for, some of those against aren't paying, some of them are from afar, it is an opinion, in future if you do a Poll keep it anonymous or I won't vote, none of this segregation was mentioned in the rules. :mad: |
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So you can start with finding out exactly what the HBC budget is. Until then, stop bothering with what's happening down in the smoke. This is the Accy website, not THBC. And while you're at it - stop bullying Katex. I was disgusted by the way the poor lady was subject to the most savage assaults, unparalleled in its naked brutality in the annals of Accy Web. As a sound patriot and proud subject of Her Majesty and her heirs and descendants and with a true grasp of history, she should have been treated with far more courtesy than this. |
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so who died and made you that person then(keeper of the moral flame)?? |
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As you say a small sample of residents have said NO . You can't go from there and say the people of Hyndburn have said NO . |
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Maybe the people of Hyndburn didn't get asked.......so who knows what would be the outcome if they were?
I think there must be many folk who think that frivolous spending should be reined in, while there are such serious financial difficulties.......that these difficulties exist, cannot be argued with. On a personal level I would rather keep the toilets open and the streets cleaned, than have fireworks to celebrate a Royal Wedding.......but that is just my view. Pay the rent first...buy the cakes later. |
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The poll is open to anyone, true. It provides a number of statistics and information which can be gleamed from those facts. We can look at the over all figures, which show a vast majority voted no. Similarly we can see how the people who'll directly fund the planned civic events have voted. Which again was against the propsals, in an equally decisive majority of no voters. It is an open poll. Though I, and others, questioned the motives of some, who recently received a virtual thrashing for example. When they'd posted that Accrington's streets are more violent than anywhere else in the country, and on the evidence of a dog being stabbed, were glad they'd fled north of the border. Call it intuition, but I fear some might be just trying to swing the vote because of spite. There are some petty souls. Statistics are there to be used. As evidenced by the phrase popularised by Mark Twain about 'Lies, damned lies, and statistics. I've already pointed out that the no voters cover the political spectrum, as well making note of geographical location. From ardent royalist, staunch republicans, self-proclaimed anarchists, and the many moderates in between, they've said no. All of which proof was provided by evidence in this open poll. If I feel the need to use this proof to illustrate that this small cross-section of Hyndburn residents don't want local taxes spent on royal wedding celebrations in the borough, I will continue to do so. Until it's pointed out that it's against forum rules. I might now work out if hair colour, and height have any sway on how people have voted. |
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I said the people of Hyndburn who'd voted had said no. Either way, from the evidence, and apparent lack of support, if this small cross-section is anything to go by, if I was about to launch the celebrations, I hope I'd have sense to take notice of the apparent mood. |
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It's an option to be used. 'If' I think a poll might be of interest, it will be open, unless that option is removed. |
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We're also still hopeful you'll provide the evidence of your own council's £240,000.00 wedding celebration budget. :rolleyes: |
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I think it's amusing. For quite some time you only seem to have problems with women. :dummy2: |
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If you then take out the resident loonatics, oddballs, marxist-leninists, drunkards and wife-beaters, you're left with about seven people who are capable of making a rational decision on expenditure on the Royal Wedding spending. Funny, innit, how all those have voted for. |
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