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900 jobs to go at East Lancashire hospitals


900 jobs to go at East Lancashire hospitals (From Lancashire Telegraph)

We all knew they were coming, but along with seeing other local facilities and services affected, it looks like we'll be experiencing the effects of the cuts in the N.H.S. in this part of the world imminently.

If you're planning to be unwell, I'd advise you do it pronto.

Still, we shouldn't really moan.

After all we've got the royal wedding celebrations in Hyndburn to look forward to.

Let's just hope no one slips on any spilt jelly in the Market Hall, on April 29th.

:rolleyes:

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Maybe the person that insists on sending me 2 reminders for every appointment could be one of them.

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When you look at the figures that for every 1000 clinicians there are 998 support staff, which other organisation would flourish with that much baggage:mad:

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I doubt many, besides the people themselves, would argue with you on that one.

However, it is highly likely we are now going to lose doctors, nurses, and frontline medical staff locally.

Which isn't so good.

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I suppose it depends on how you designate/categorise support staff.
Clinicians would imply Consultants/doctors/radiographers and such like.......support staff could be Nurses/HCA's/ward clerks/Domestic staff/Catering staff........and it is those support staff that you will come into contact with, and who will either make or break your experience of the NHS.

This is just a way to dismantle the NHS and put into private hands........private comapnies do not deliver services on a philanthropic basis, they do it to make a profit, so how the politicians can believe that private enterprise will drive up quality is a mystery to me.

OK contract out some of the cold case surgery...hip replacements, cataract surgery.....but to think that emergency stuff will be done by private enterprise is, quite frankly, scary.
I just hope I don't get sick.

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You know as well as I do that Margaret the there is a dearth of paper shufflers in the NHS some on 5 times the wages of the nurse on the ward, the NHS can be a bottomless pit to shovel money into, if only every penny spent was used to gain maximum effect, but it isn't

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Haven't you already said that?

No one's willing to argue with you on that one.

I'll repeat myself as well then.

Frontline medical staff are going to lose their jobs in this area.

Doctors, nurses, midwives.

Try asking anyone who works in maternity how they think that will impact on their already overstretched wards.

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I think you might want to rephrase that John.........a dearth is a scarcity...they were never scarce when I was working for the NHS(and I don't think they are scarce today), their salaries were/are exorbitant.
Get rid of them......the paper shufflers, the higher managers, the executives(paid ones, that is)........slim the organisation costs, spend the money on front line troops......the ones who take you to the bathroom, help you have a wash, keep the place clean, feed you if you can't manage to do it yourself...make the beds etc, etc.
These are the people who are worth their pay...and more. They are the ones that you, as a patient, will remember.

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The Lancashire Telegraph says that this could very well lead to longer waiting lists, fewer available treatments, and a reduction in the number of staff nursing sick patients, and will result in more ward closures.

It's also reported that the local N.H.S.'s Trust predict almost 50 fewer doctors and dentists, 226 fewer nurses, midwives and health visitors, and therapists and diagnostic health workers will be reduced by 126.

900 jobs to go at East Lancashire hospitals (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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its going to be like thatcher all over again with people dying on trollys in the hospital corridoors waiting for a bed while entire wings are shut down.

cameron has sent billions in aid to other countries since coming into power such as india,pakistan, ireland and god knows who else instead of maintaining vital services for this country

not to worry though folks theres a paid day off work and a royal wedding to look forward too:rolleyes:

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I worked in the NHS in the 80's and don't recall it being as bad as it is now.

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the nhs today is a lot better than in the 80's .Yes theres still a problem with overpaid management but i bet my last penny if labour hadnt got in when they did we wouldnt have a new hospital in blackburn and two new health centers in accrington.

mind you i have a bit of a gripe with torys look on the nhs.My friend raised money to buy a new child incubator for queens park hospital as a thankyou for saving his premature sons life and a tory mp took it to her local hospital down south leaving only the plaque saying who it was donated by on the front desk and its screws.Cant have us northerners having a brand new peice of kit can we :rolleyes:

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Some naming and shaming needed there surely. Sounds despicable.

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i cant recall the name of her or i woulda definatly put it but she was a high ranking tory MP and i havnt spoken to my friend in a long time as we lost touch 10 years ago when he moved.

i do recall he protested but there was nothing he could do as he had given it to the hospital so it was the nhs's to do as they pleased with it and within a week it was gone.

im not 100% on this but there may have been a small bit about in in one of our local papers but it was before the days of the internet

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I suppose it depends what you mean by better......if you mean paying through the nose for a hospital that might never be owned by the Trust...remember it was built on the PFI...that's like the never never, only dearer.
I don't know about the health centres...whether they were built on the same funding....I had left the NHS by then so took much less notice of what was going on.
In the 80's we didn't spend time chasing government targets....we nursed patients.
OK so the old QPH buildings were not that pretty but they felt homely......but I guess that counts for not very much.

There were better staffing levels. Patients got looked after

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your probably right margaret that the quality of nursing was better back then.These days its temps or agency workers mostly at the helm but as far as funding goes and getting people treated i would say labour did a better job.I seriously believe that if the torys were in power when i needed urgent treatment i would not be here today because i would have died waiting .The nhs may be like a production line getting people in and out as fast as possible and quality of nursing may suffer but when your led in bed with a tumor getting bigger each day you just want it out as soon as possible.

Under labour surgeries were carried out at weekends getting the waiting lists down and you could even get treated at private hospitals to save waiting for the nhs option which also kept waiting times down.Im not saying labours approach was perfect i havnt worked within the nhs and those who have done will have a better informed opinion but as an average joe looking at it my overall opinion is that labour did a lot more good for ill people than the conservatives ever did.

saying that the shutting down of burnley hospital was a disgrace and a very dangerous move

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It has always been the case(or that is the way it seems from my experience and recollection) that if you have what is suspected to be a cancerous growth then you were admitted and treated pronto.....I know of many women who came to a clinic and were admitted directly from there......not sent home to even get nightwear.
I worked for excellent consultants who had their patients interests at heart...they were not just ticking boxes set by the government.
Those cases that were done at the weekend were what were called waiting list iniatives....they were cold case surgical procedures...things that had no urgency(from the medical standpoint anyway) attached to them and a lot of what was done was for political window dressing and point scoring.......and that is never in the interest of the patient.

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Nursing in the 80's was(as far as I am concerned) the most rewarding and satisfying job ever.
I was a newly appointed Junior Sister....had high hopes to develop myself and the nurses I worked with......improve the ward and the practices, teach students.....the horizons seemed boundless.
I enjoyed it immensely....it wasn't easy, we all worked hard.....but we were respected and valued...and the patients showed their satisfaction with the service we gave.

Would that we could return to those halcyon days...alas, not possible.

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I'll bet there were the odd one or two patients that showed no gratitude and no matter what you did for them, still insisted on dying!
Everyone has awkward customers.
:D

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Could also do without the one who sends an appointment one day and then 3 days later sends a letter explaining an appointment will be made - and the reason why - but this one sent to a previous address:confused::confused::confused:

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Not their fault, GIGO!

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The ungrateful ones(it seemed) were few and far between...although the time/distance thing does lend a little distortion.....I do not remember being Effed and Jeffed at like I was towards the end of the nineties.
People seemed to know all of their rights but none of the responsibilities.

Death, well yes, it did happen....but far less on the gynae ward than on medical or surgical wards........far more humbling was the death of hope, when women lost babies time after time. Heart breaking.

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I doubt this link will in any way convince the tory supporters on here (or those that cliam to be "neutral");) that this government are hellbent on cutting the NHS..but here it is from the daily mail
NHS spending cuts: More than 50,000 frontline jobs axed | Mail Online

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ahh mancie but like any tory worth its salt will tell you theres always private health care

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Another think that should be looked into is buying for the NHS its already been said that by one central purchasing authority would save billions, but there are lots of other things where huge saving could be, no should be made, example, everybody on here usually has a printer for use with their PC I can pick up a ream of paper for around £2-50p without much problem, I heard the other day on good authority (some one was trying break into supplying stationary to the NHS) that they pay as much as £12 a ream, looks like somebodies having a nice drink out of that one. Last week I was looking for a small cabinet to place my nebuliser on next to my bed (its been on a chair for yonks) also wanted a few drawers in this cabinet to keep current meds in plus oxygen and neb spares (masks tubing cannula etc) so I went on line, try it, you will be absolutely amazed at just how much hospital furniture and equipment cost. Example one bog standard bed side cabinet one straight through drawer cupboard with one shelf with two doors , about 4ft high, 2ft wide 2ft deep, £800, somebodies having a laugh, I know I've been out of the trade for a while but £800, I trawled these sites for about an hour, its a joke