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cmonstanley 06-04-2011 11:27

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nick clegg says nhs wont be privatised be worried very worried

Boeing Guy 06-04-2011 12:26

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What no more worries than the PFI debacle?

We can't fool ourselves ? PFI is a liability | Peter Dixon | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

cmonstanley 06-04-2011 12:49

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i think life is supposed to come before money sums it up really.

Boeing Guy 06-04-2011 12:53

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Quite true, it is a shame that successive government's have failed to adhere to that.

Neil 06-04-2011 13:07

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 896527)
i think life is supposed to come before money sums it up really.

True but that does not mean we should just keep throwing money into a bottomless pit just because it saves lives. Lives can be saved more efficiently.

cashman 06-04-2011 14:09

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 896529)
True but that does not mean we should just keep throwing money into a bottomless pit just because it saves lives. Lives can be saved more efficiently.

whilst i agree wi that, this lot seem to be making the ordinary people suffer wi there methods, "Re" knee replacements n the like, still nowt new yon.:rolleyes:

Lancashire Lassie 06-04-2011 14:11

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 896529)
True but that does not mean we should just keep throwing money into a bottomless pit just because it saves lives. Lives can be saved more efficiently.


good shout neil!

Lancashire Lassie 06-04-2011 14:13

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 896540)
whilst i agree wi that, this lot seem to be making the ordinary people suffer wi there methods, "Re" knee replacements n the like, still nowt new yon.:rolleyes:


i'd go without a knee replacement tbh. my uncle went in for a routine knee op - the idiots got cement in his blood stream and killed him instantly.

my friends granma also just passed after a 'routine' op on her hip, the changed her from being fine to disabled and she died shortly after.

you couldnt pay me to go into a hospital nowadays.

cashman 06-04-2011 14:39

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Originally Posted by Lancashire Lassie (Post 896544)
i'd go without a knee replacement tbh. my uncle went in for a routine knee op - the idiots got cement in his blood stream and killed him instantly.

my friends granma also just passed after a 'routine' op on her hip, the changed her from being fine to disabled and she died shortly after.

you couldnt pay me to go into a hospital nowadays.

sorry about yer uncle, but entirely your choice, i won't loose any sleep oer it.

Retlaw 06-04-2011 15:30

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Originally Posted by Lancashire Lassie (Post 896544)
i'd go without a knee replacement tbh. my uncle went in for a routine knee op - the idiots got cement in his blood stream and killed him instantly.

my friends granma also just passed after a 'routine' op on her hip, the changed her from being fine to disabled and she died shortly after.

you couldnt pay me to go into a hospital nowadays.

I agree with you on that, hospitals either killed you or cure you, and these days they will also give you another illness as well.
Retlaw

Less 06-04-2011 16:51

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 896559)
I agree with you on that, hospitals either killed you or cure you, and these days they will also give you another illness as well.
Retlaw

Yes, how true, tragic even, what's the chances of it improving with the 'we're in it together alliance', somehow I feel some of us are altogether up to our necks and others seem able to walk on the surface of this crap, but then I and other pleb's like me probably deserve it.

wadey 06-04-2011 19:57

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Why (and this is the case with all the parties) do they keep changing things ? Nobody understands the latest proposals and it just creates uncertainty and always costs billions, 12 billion on a computer system that doesn't work !

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2011 20:18

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 896521)
nick clegg says nhs wont be privatised be worried very worried

Keep on worrying........it's like rocking in a rocking chair...it doesn't matter how much you do it, it doesn't move you anywhere....but it does give you something to do:)

cmonstanley 06-04-2011 20:33

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:D nick clegg tells the truth:D

Margaret Pilkington 06-04-2011 20:59

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 896681)
:D nick clegg tells the truth:D

Have you any evidence to support that statement????
He is a politician......truth? Politician?.......isn't that an oxymoron?

jaysay 07-04-2011 09:23

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 896687)
Have you any evidence to support that statement????
He is a politician......truth? Politician?.......isn't that an oxymoron?

The only changes to the NHS that is urgently needed is to cut out the waste, its long been known that only about 70p in every pound is used for the better of the services, there's a lot of red tape and bureaucracy needs sorting out, the first step forward would be to put people in charge with a medical background not people who have previously made a living selling baked beans to supermarkets

MargaretR 07-04-2011 10:41

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The way that the NHS operates gives some credence to the conspiracy theory that
......there is a population cull well under way;)

Margaret Pilkington 07-04-2011 10:58

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John, there are too many managers on big salaries......these should be whittled down to the minimum. That alone would save vast sums of money.
The NHS should stop dancing to the tunes played by the politicians...get rid of the league tables, they mean nothing in real terms and patients whose clinical condition does not require urgent treatment get it, so that some manager can satisfy government targets.
Make sure that suppliers are giving value for money and if they aren't then the contract for services should be removed.
Put more staff on the front line...where patient contact is the prime concern.
Rocket science?...it isn't.

Lancashire Lassie 07-04-2011 11:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wadey (Post 896667)
Why (and this is the case with all the parties) do they keep changing things ? Nobody understands the latest proposals and it just creates uncertainty and always costs billions, 12 billion on a computer system that doesn't work !


so true if they left things as they were 10 years ago there were a lot less problems than there are now!!

jaysay 07-04-2011 18:07

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 896796)
John, there are too many managers on big salaries......these should be whittled down to the minimum. That alone would save vast sums of money.
The NHS should stop dancing to the tunes played by the politicians...get rid of the league tables, they mean nothing in real terms and patients whose clinical condition does not require urgent treatment get it, so that some manager can satisfy government targets.
Make sure that suppliers are giving value for money and if they aren't then the contract for services should be removed.
Put more staff on the front line...where patient contact is the prime concern.
Rocket science?...it isn't.

Absolutely spot on Margaret, and you've seen things first hand, there's a raft of management that could be dispensed with, without any problem, but there are to many people with their fingers in the pie.

walkinman221 07-04-2011 18:49

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 896894)
Absolutely spot on Margaret, and you've seen things first hand, there's a raft of management that could be dispensed with, without any problem, but there are to many people with their fingers in the pie.

I heard last week on the wireless, that there are over 42,000 yes thats 42,000 managers throughout the nhs who are being paid over £50,000 yes thats £50,000 pounds beggars belief doesnt it.:confused::eek:

jaysay 07-04-2011 18:59

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Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 896919)
I heard last week on the wireless, that there are over 42,000 yes that's 42,000 managers throughout the nhs who are being paid over £50,000 yes that's £50,000 pounds beggars belief doesnt it.:confused::eek:

Ya and those on just £50,000 are the poor relations:(


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