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After winning control of the Scottish Parliament Alex Salmon is pushing for a referendum on scottish independence from Britain, well I say good let um have one and if its yes give um independence, but then they will have to find the money for all those free things that the Jocks get, which are subsidised at the moment, and it would resolve the West Lothian problem once and for all, If Scotland were independent we would no longer have scottish MPs at Westminster voting on issues which don't affect the people who elect them.

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Would agree, Jay, but I very much doubt there'll be a "yes" majority in a referendum. The jocks love to wrap themselves in the flag and gripe about being oppressed by Westminister. However, they're canny folk and they won't want to put their hands in their pockets for all those goodies like no tuition fees and free presciptions. ;)

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Let em have independance, reckon Salmons just making the right noises fer effect, cannot think hes stupid enough to really want it.:rolleyes:

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Cashy, I used to think that Alex Salmond deserved respect for his patriotic stance and standing up for what he believed in.

Then I heard him speak.

Scottish independence on his terms is the equivalent of having your cake and eating it, being a country separate from the UK but having all the financial benefits. The majority of Scots realise that it is in their own interests to be part of Great Britain and will almost certainly vote against independence.

If they do actually vote in favour of it then I give it two months before they realise their mistake.

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What about having a referendum in England about Scottish Independence? I'm sure there would be a landslide in favour if it meant that not one penny of the taxes raised in England went to prop them up.

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What a bloody great Idea, think we should write to our MP and put the idea to him:D

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Gordon Bennett i just love that idea.;)

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that's another one I'd drink too........at this rate I'm going to be legless before teatime:)
(no, it doesn't take much to get me legless)

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Begining to think you've got a drink problem Margaret;);):D

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It's possible they might not do as badly as some people seem to think. Roughly 75% of the cost of a bottle of Whiskey is duty & taxes paid HM Government, then there's North Sea Oil & gas.

Have read at this from the BBC.
A report last year from consultants, Oxford Economics, suggests that Scotland pays roughly as much in tax as it receives in public spending. Mr Swinney says Scotland is making an enormous contribution through the UK through oil revenues for which they get nothing in return.

"What Scottish oil has delivered over the last 30 years is a very, very helpful resource to prop up the ailing finances of the UK. And that's benefited prime ministers from Margaret Thatcher to Gordon Brown."

Does Scotland get its fair share?

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Scotland owns no oil until it becomes independent. It's not Scottish, just as it's not English or Welsh. It's United Kingdom oil. The argument should also be true when reversed - i.e Scotland doesn't get more government cash per person, rather an area of the UK does. Unfortunately the governments refusal to allow people to cross the border to receive this greater benefit makes this an arrangement of inequality. This is the major problem when you effectively have two governments for one state - an idiotic state of affairs tbh.

Even if they did move for independence, it's unlikely they'd be given 100% rights to it - a territorial border would have to be agreed, and obviously assets would be prime motivation for England and Wales to try and keep as much as possible. It's very unlikely that pure geography would dictate this.

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Maybe the Scottish nationalists should eye-ball the recent Canadian election results. The Bloc Quebecois, a separatist party, was anihilated at the polls. The NDP (Labour) gained 59 seats, mostly at their expense. One of the newly elected MPs has never even set foot in the riding she won:eek: Her only work experience was tending bar at a University pub in Ottawa. Another new MP is a 19 year-old university student who was too busy writing exams to do any campaigning whatsoever.:alright: Whatever: I think that the clear message goes something like, "If you are getting more than your fair share of general tax revenue; don't rock the boat.":dancedog: So, the voters in la belle province (they are a tad to the left of centre), voted overwhelmingly for the NPD whoever they choose to run as a candidate. Probably, when the referendum is held, many voters may view the question as one of a prosperous union vs. a less affluent nation. Could be a no brainer:confused:

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This issue goes back a long way.. the Act of Union between Scotland and England was signed by both Parliments in 1707.. the English Parliment "donated" around £700,00 to the then bankrupt Scots (billions in the present day)... the Scots are not a stupid nation.. the day that lot sign away the Union is a very long way off.:)

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dont forget you,s had a scottish royal family:D

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The term "Scottish Independence" is a complete misnomer. Independence from what?

What is being discussed is a repeal of the Act of Union, which will affect the people of England, Wales and Northern Ireland as equally as the people of Scotland. Their views are just as valid, so must be included in any referendum.

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Well its half way there already, at present we have Scots MPs vote on issues at Westminster that don't affect the people who voted for them, to me I can't see how that is anyway near being democratic, neither is people in England paying for elderly care, tuition fees, prescriptions and hospital parking, whilst the Scots get it free subsidised by the English tax payers, this situation could only happen in Britain, no beggar else would stand for it:mad:

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I agree - I want the border to be in Birmingham

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doubt if they'll go for it ....

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They know which side their bread's buttered:rolleyes:

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Interesting to note that the campaign to keep Scotland in the Union is being led by a Labour politician, Alistair Darling.

Presumably putting a Conservative figure anywhere near the campaign would be seen as a gift to the SNP?

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There was a high-profile launch of Better Together yesterday.

With the Scottish Conservative's Annabel Goldie pictured, together with Darling, hanging from the rafters, behind the cross-party's campaign banner, at Edinburgh station.

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It must be one of the few issues on which Labour Conservatives and LibDems agree.

The SNP argument seems to be founded on cherry picking the bits that suit them (eg North Sea Oil) but not the bits that don't (eg retaining the pound and the monarchy)

It is a completely fabricated case which adds up to total nonsense, and its only credibility seems to come from Alex Salmonds political nous.

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Yes, they're in for a shock.

When the price of deep-fried Mars bars soars, because of import tax.

:D

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...and when they have to find homes for (and pay benefits to) the many millions of their countrymen who moved south looking for a better life, and will be forcibly repatriated as undesirable aliens.

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The no to independence campaign is supported by the three main parties in jockland, Tory Lib/dem and Labour

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And don't forget deep fried Choc Ices either:D

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Yes, pack your wee tartan bag Lulu.

You're going home hen.


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i keep asking snp supporters one question,and that is currency:confused::D
they havent got a clue:D

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Scotland hasn't been independent for over 300 years. I can't think of any other country which has become separate after such a long time. Most of the European nations who have become independent in recent times where part of 'artifical' nations created in the war-torn 20th century. Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia etc.

Scotland wanting independence is a bit like Texas wanting independence from the USA. Or Mercia, Wessex, East Anglia and Northumbria wanting to split away from a unified England.

It isn't going to happen.

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I'm with Jay on this ne, the Welsh have the same benefits.
Give them indepenance, but of course, seeing territorial waters is only 13 miles off the coast we will keep the rigs:D

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That must be like the blind leading the blind then:D

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As it has a bearing on England as well as Scotland, let us have the vote as well. Pretty certain they would get independence then:D
As Scots would then be foreigners we wouldn't have the likes of Blair, Brown, Darling etc. eligible for English parliamentary seats - England for the English:rolleyes:

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Best idea ive heard about this.!!!:D

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Does that mean we can send Fergie, Moyes and Kean home too:jimbo::D:D

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when was the last time an english man was manager of premiership winning club ?

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Of course you're right, Blair was born in Edinburgh.

Though I just found this out, which I didn't know.

'His father Leo, born in Yorkshire, was the illegitimate son of two travelling English actors, Charles Parsons and Celia Ridgway. '

the select surnames website

So, both his grandparents were professional actors.

That figures.

It's in the blood.

:rolleyes:

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Its obviously in the Genes.:D

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Ya but he's only ever been an extra:D

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No English manager has ever won the Premiership.

The last English Manager to win the First Division (prior to the Premiership) was Howard Wilkinson of Leeds United in 1991/92.

Sir Alex Ferguson will indeed be repatriated as part of the Scottish Independence agreement, but he will be allowed to appeal and will be given six more minutes than anyone else to state his case.

:(

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:D:D:D alex salmond = walrus, the snp magic mystery policy tour lol I am the Walrus - The Beatles - YouTube

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Think yourself luck Cmon, you've already been repatriated, just hope you picked up your porridge spoon up from that field near the Iron Bridge:D:D

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They should hold the referendum on Scottish Independence tomorrow.

The question on the ballot paper should be "Do you want to be part of Team GB for the Rio Olympics?" Yes or No.

The sight of Sir Chris Hoy wrapping himself in the Union Flag can be the emblem of the anti Independence lobby.

And Alex Salmond can explain why nobody was remotely interested in whether the athlete was from England, Scotland, Ireland or Wales as we cheered them to their medals.

Grab the Moment!