Private Mental Health Hospital in Oswaldtwistle
 

Its been a while since i've been on here but I felt I needed to post about this.

I have today received a letter from my sons school from a company called Aaban Ltd, stating that they have bought the land across from St Andrews School (James St WMC) and are applying for permission to build a specialist mental health hospital. It will be a 22 bedded unit for people aged 45 and over, although they will accept younger patients. They will be patients who suffer from dementia, other mental health and behavioural difficulties.

Just wondered what others thought of this idea? I don't have a problem with mental health, I know what stigma is attached to it as i'm training to be a nurse, but what worries me is that it is directly across from my sons school.

I can't really type the whole letter as its 2 pages long, but if anyone has any questions and the answer is in the letter I will post it.

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I'd heard about it, but didn't know it had gone further than a planning application.

Better the site be used, than left to fester.

Can only see it being a positive thing, and it will bring jobs to the area.

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As in homes for the elderly that accept people with dementia, these are secure units, so don't think this increases the risk to people near by.

There are plenty of dangerous nutters wandering our streets who've never been near a mental health unit.

:D

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I've been in touch with them and put Atarah's name down. Now I'll get back on and put Katex's.They already knew about MargaretR. She's a fast one.

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I agree with Gary on this one, no one moaned when they built the ESMI unit near Accy Vic, as far as i know there have never been any problems so why should this new places cause any problems? No one moans when people go into nursing homes with mental health problems, so whats the big issue?

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I've already booked one of the beds in your name.
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The term 'Mental Health' covers a gamut of issues, including personality disorders. You should check what type of person the unit is intended to house and the intended security level.

Bear in mind that Kemple View just outside Whalley is deemed 'low security' and has murderers, necrophiliacs and worse amongst the inhabitants, kept at bay by a 10 foot wall from the nearby houses less than 10 yards away.

By the way, the wall was only recently raised to 10 foot from 8 foot after a walkabout by some of the inhabitants. The company that runs Kemple View are reputable..never heard of Aaben, probably just the property developers

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There are plenty of those quoted, freely walking the streets, never having been in a mental health unit.

;)

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Second thoughts.

We should oppose this proposal.

We can deport them, to where they'll feel at home.

They should be escorted to the ferry at Holyhead.

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Don't see a lot wrong if security is adequate, though it would be better sited up "New Lane":D

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hehe :)

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Hi Lolly, good to see you on here again. Pleased that you are doing well at Uni, etc., with your nursing career.

This was the Planning Application. Can't get into them at the moment, seems to be a bit of a glitch on the HBC site. May show more now since they improved the information available.

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There are very few care homes in Ossy that accept people with dementia.

The only one I can think of is the one on Thwaites Road, White Ash Brook.

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What was the name of that one on Panorama that was closed down?
Watching that program was the first thing that came to mind when I read this thread and seeing it makes me wonder about these so called hospitals.

I would not be worried about it being near a school as the school should have its own procedures and policies in place to keep the children safe. I suppose it depends who will be living in there but the description from the planning application sounds ok.

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The one Anne works at Hollin Bank care home also have dementia patients
in fact its seams to be going more and more to this side of care.
The home will hold 14 and 11 of them have some degree of dementia.

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With an ever growing elderly population, there's going to be an even greater need for more places that accept people with dementia.

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Very true and we do need more places.

I can understand people concern though at this stage as they dont know that people you would not want on your doorstep would be living in there

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I can only speak after visiting White Ash Brook, but primarily for the patients' safety, there is a very high level of security.

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To me, it doesn't seem the best of places to build this type of care home. In a built up area with no grounds to give any pleasant outlooks for residents. Sure, even patients with dementia, get pleasure out of open grassed areas ?

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So long as the necessary security precautions are in place I can see a problem, plus it will be better than a piece of waste ground that is there now

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I quite agree Kate, but how often are these places really set up with the residents benefits at heart? They are usually more geared towards making as much money for the owners as possible. This is why more & more care homes are developing dementia units because they can charge far more per resident than for others with seemingly less complex needs.

Best Regards - Taggy

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There must be some outside spaces on the plans. Courtyards perhaps?

Otherwise it wouldn't have much chance of being passed.

People have lived in this area for years. Having a home in a residential part of town seems the right place to me. Also it is easily accessible if visitors are using public transport.

Could be built in more pleasant surroundings, though perhaps not near Whalley.

They recently, and successfully managed to prevent the erection of affordable homes there.

A decision they might live to regret in thirty years, when their children and grandchildren can't afford to live where they grew up.

:rolleyes:

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When I read the opening post on this thread, I was a little concerned - thought it might prompt one of those 'they have to live somewhere but not on our doorstep' kind of rants, thank goodness the people who have posted have more sense than that.
I work in a home for people who have severe learning difficulties & can display very challenging behaviours, we are also located near a school in a residential area and have never in the 9 years we have been open had any problems or issues with them or any other neighbours.
We have excellent staff who take care of our residents & accompany them on every activity. when we first opened our manager went across to the school & spoke to the head teacher telling them who we are & what we do, he invited her to speak to the pupils & she answered any questions they had regarding our residents. I think this probably helped as I have never witnessed any of the pupils staring or making derogatory comments about them, they just accept them - even on occasion shoutring to ask how one of them is if they haven't seen them out & about for a while.
If anyone has concerns about this place opening, I'd say ask questions about any worries you may have, I'm sure if they are a reputable company the owners would be happy to alleviate any fears

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True, but at the moment there aren't enough places for people with dementia.

I know someone locally who's currently being cared 19 miles away from their home, and loved ones.

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A good friend of ours mum, who had dementia, used to live in a lovely home near Sawley Abbey, which is a long way away. I sure she would have loved it if she was in town so she could visit in the evening or whenever she wanted to. Due to the distance she could only get over at weekend.

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Another way of looking at it, I suppose.

Can't get into HBC at all now. Perhaps the plans are on the letter sent out to local residents ?

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as i walk past this place daily,can endorse what accymad says, never even seen a hint of trouble. dunno who the manager is, but in my view its a well run ship.:)

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Have you booked your bed yet? :p:D

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just checked out Aaban Ltd at companies house and found that the company was disolved in March this year !!!!
Name & Registered Office:

AABAN LIMITED
59 BALLIOL ROAD
DAVENTRY
ENGLAND
NN11 4RE
Company No. 06966074





Status: Dissolved 01/03/2011
Date of Incorporation: 17/07/2009

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Whats surprised me is that the font of all knowledge hasn't had a say on this thread, come on Bee your crowns slipping;)

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No but Paris as put is name down on the QT:D:D

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Well at least if they did that we'd be safe from the rest of the Hyndburn nutters:tongueout:tongueout:tongueout

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HBC up and running again... seems Lolly spelt it wrong .. is ABAAN LTD.
Not showing in companies house as yet though .. could it be a fairly new company formed by original applicant ? Except Abaan Medical Services Ltd., which was dissolved. Strange.

Does appear to have spaces for landscaping and planting.

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Apparently, word fresh the street, is that the gypsies are objecting to this planning application.

Bit odd.

I wouldn't have thought they knew there was such a thing as a Planning Office.

There are residents of Oswaldtwistle, with dementia, being cared for at the other side of Preston.

There is urgent need for this sort of care, locally.

If these people have regular visitors, in surroundings they know, it might help them fight this unfortunate condition, rather than be stuck in green and pleasant lands near Timbuktu.

Such places have security, mainly for the benefit of it's residents.

The one at Thwaites Road is in a residential area.

I've yet to hear of any trouble threre, in the many years it's been open.

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I have been thinking long and hard about it and read all your posts and my worries are a little less. It was only the school thing that was bothering me, I actually live around the corner and have no problems with that.

With regards to the company it is definately spelt Aaban Ltd, but it does say c/o M&M Associates.

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Nothing wrong with worrying, or a bit of caution.

You just asked what others thought.

Certainly didn't think your post was anti this place.

Hope your studies are going well. x

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Don't honestly think yeh got much to worry on lolly.;)

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When your lovely grandmother looked after me, at my primary school, just a little further away from this proposed site, we had rats as big as cats running out of the old barrel yard, chasing us around the playground, which were a much more frightening worry, than a few local residents with dementia/mental health issues.


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when we are talking about a private health care hospital does this mean a totally independnant self funded hospital or is it funded by the NHS?

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Don't know.

Presume it's a private company.

As is usual, if it is, you pay, unless you qualify for assisted care.

Same as ordinary residential care homes for the elderly.

Why, you planning on moving back up here?

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Was just wondering..so what happens in the future when this government imposes the cap on care homes?..if the care home an elderly person lives in goes beyond the cap what happens to that person?

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southern cross;)

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I presume from that, that you believe this coalition government has a future?

Is that because your own M.P. is that ever so nice Simon Hughes, Deputy Leader of the Liberal Democrats?

:rolleyes:

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Thanks for that input, northern cross we bear.

;)

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:D Of course this Government have a future..they are installed for the next five years and that should be a worry for anyone...as for Simon Hughes I personally could not give a toss.

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Actually, if the coalition holds, the next General Election has to be held before 11th June, 2015.

Though the government have announced it will actually be held on 7th May, 2015.

Which makes it approximately three years, and a little less than ten months.

Time flies, when you lot with Liberal Democrat M.P.'s are having fun.

;)

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There used to be that massive hospital up near Whalley was it Brockhall? Just done a search and it was closed in 1992 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brockhall,_Lancashire Anyway we once went on a school trip bit odd place for a school trip, I can't even recall what class it was we went with but it was for educational purposes. It was a massive place - should have kept places like that open as it was out in the country side. Don't think it's right to have a place like this in confined space - should be in the open with more grounds round it.

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Totally different.

People were incarcerated for life in Brockhall, and similar Victorian asylums such as Calderstones, for such things as having a child out of wedlock, and we're talking post World War II, not when these places were built.

Happily we've moved on somewhat since then.

I genuinely hope that if you were unfortunate enough ever to suffer from dementia, or other mental health issues, such as clinical depression,, you're cared for somewhere that's easily accessible to your friends and family, and the rest of society in general.

Rather than hidden away in the middle of nowhere, behind the walls of some dreadful asylum.

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I did some maintenance work at Calderstones and we had to be accompanied at all times by members of staff, it was quite scary at time I can tell you

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I know, I went there too.

You had people there institutionalised for life for being 'a bit flighty', locked up with those poor souls who did need secured full time hospitalisation..

Happily those places are no more, and this proposed care facility is nothing like those antiquated places.

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Jaysay I think Calderstones was more for serious mentally ill people but I never when there I went to Brockhall with my school, so I know what it was like and it was quite open in places.

Did you ever go there? It wasn't like an asylum at all - as I remember parts of it were more like a council estate and some of the patients lived in small houses and were free to move about within a small area. Some of these we met had downes syndrome there were other places I think that were more high security.

There was also one patient who had a pet buzzard and he was allowed to fly that - patients were also gardners and some grew vegetables. so I would think this kind of environment would be better for people with these kind of health problems than some small hospital type structure next to a school.

The issue is not hiding people away but rather that they are not in some cramped hutch in the middle of a town. But as i don't know the exact location of this site mentioned in this thread - I don't know how small it will be.

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Oh your certainly right there kestralx Calderstones and Brockhall and indeed Langho Colony were very different places, there were some very disturbed people in Calderstones

When I was serving my time as a joiner I worked in Whalley just down the road from Calderstones, some of the staff actually worked on the site part time on their days of, and some of the tales we used to hear were terrible. There was one patient who had a mania for breaking those cast iron grate covers and eating them, he was rushed into hospital on a few occasions due to this, the only way they stopped him was they made one out of wood and when he couldn't break it, it put him off

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I once went to the Regent's Park Zoo in London back in 1979 and there were about 4 blokes with those padded protection helmets similar to what boxers wear - but these people were obviously out on a day trip from some kind of mental hospital, the padding to stop them hitting the floor with their heads should they fall or have a fit or something. I'm not joking but it's unfortunate that some people are born unable to stop themselves from hurting themselves.

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It's hard to believe in this enlightened age that someone could make so many 'obviously' incorrect assumptions.

Those 'padded helmets' are sometimes worn by some people who suffer from severe tonic clonic epileptic seizures. And although epilepsy is fairly prevalent in people with learning disabilities, that does not mean that either a person with learning disabilities or epilepsy have mental health issues, which is a totally different diagnosis.

And epilepsy, although a debilitating disease does not necessitate a stay in 'some kind of mental hospital'

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Thanks for the info - but these guys looked like they had more than epilepsy that is one thing that stuck in my mind.

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But there is no mention in LET or Observer about this "private mental health hospital", so will it get built?.

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Bee , I;m sure you as a local will qualify for a bed , I'm thinking locals will have first choice ... maybe you will get a bed with a window which you can lick/salivate on, overlooking 'ossymills' and the shopping metroplex on Union Rd. just sorry I won't me the "Nurse Ratchett" on your ward doubling/tripling up your daily prescriebd daily dose of Xanex ;) :D :D