Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 920820)

amy winehouse died today r.i.p.:(

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 920831)

Addiction is a demon no matter what it is you're addicted to, who are we to judge

R.I.P Amy

Originally Posted by heth (Post 920842)

We do not know the full truth only what we read in the papers in the past and cannot judge based on "stories".

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 920831)

Addiction is a demon no matter what it is you're addicted to, who are we to judge

R.I.P Amy

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 920831)

Addiction is a demon no matter what it is you're addicted to, who are we to judge

R.I.P Amy

Originally Posted by wallop79 (Post 920894)

What a joke, people posting rip to a waste of space junkie, no-one made her take drugs, everyone knows the dangers of them, there's people out there who really deserve the use of the word sympathy starting with the innocent people slaughtered in Norway

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 921033)

How the hell dare you make a posting like this? Yes we all feel for the families of those slaugthered in Norway but do you not make any connection? "Drugs" just might be the common factor but until you have walked a mile in a drug users and/ or their families shoes how can you judge? God help you all if you or a member of your family falls prey to the lure of drugs!!! Yes it can be beaten but with some of you as judge and jury it is little wonder with the comments sounded on here that drugs might win the day.

How dare you judge others? Maybe if you were to be in a position to judge ie a former drug addict or a member of their family you could comment. But as for talking about people as "waste of space junkies", I say "there but for the grace of god go I"

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 921033)

How the hell dare you make a posting like this? Yes we all feel for the families of those slaugthered in Norway but do you not make any connection? "Drugs" just might be the common factor but until you have walked a mile in a drug users and/ or their families shoes how can you judge? God help you all if you or a member of your family falls prey to the lure of drugs!!! Yes it can be beaten but with some of you as judge and jury it is little wonder with the comments sounded on here that drugs might win the day.

How dare you judge others? Maybe if you were to be in a position to judge ie a former drug addict or a member of their family you could comment. But as for talking about people as "waste of space junkies", I say "there but for the grace of god go I"

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 921040)

Well one things for sure , someone will be giving a wash , from the looks of her think last time she had one it was given her by the midwife :eek: :eek:

Originally Posted by wallop79 (Post 921041)

Firstly I have been brought up well, and myself, siblings & the rest of my family are not stupid enough to get involved with drugs, I have found it very easy in the past to say NO when offered. Secondly in the job I do I do have the right to judge others, who the hell are you to tell me I cant? Oh sorry you have never judged anyone have you ??????? This jumped up floozy went into rehab more time than I have had hot dinners, firstly she shouldn't have got mixed up in drugs, secondly if she really wanted to kick the habit she wouldn't have walked out of rehab after just a few days, this was always going to happen, she's no-one else to blame but herself. Good riddance to bad rubbish, anyway yesterdays chip paper now

Originally Posted by wallop79 (Post 921041)

Firstly I have been brought up well, and myself, siblings & the rest of my family are not stupid enough to get involved with drugs,

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 921033)

How dare you judge others?

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 487788)

I know it's a bit of a thread wander (sorry) but did anybody see Amy Whinhouse (or whatever she is called) getting that award from MTV? She was as high as the proverbial kite. Don't think these people are setting a very good example to the young people who listen to their music!!!

Originally Posted by heth (Post 921043)

So glad that you have been brought up "right" as you say.
Well done for that.

I have also been brought up as I believe in the right way but that doesnt make me this great person that can judge others without knowing them or thier life styles.

I have made choices that I have regretted but luckly I am not in the spot light or else you would prob judge me unfairly.

Remember not everthing is as black and white as it seems so get off your high horse.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 921044)

well bully fer you, you think that is the case, i hope fer your sake it is, n yeh say in job yeh do yeh have the right to judge, well whoopy do again, never thought i was in the company of god.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 921044)

well bully fer you, you think that is the case, i hope fer your sake it is, n yeh say in job yeh do yeh have the right to judge, well whoopy do again, never thought i was in the company of god.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 921044)

well bully fer you, you think that is the case, i hope fer your sake it is, n ye say in job yeh do ye have the right to judge, well whoopy do again, never thought i was in the company of god.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by alan7554 (Post 921095)

waste of a life,but a total waste of space,just like her ex pete doherty,if the drugs dont kill you the alcohol will, to far up her own bum to see it coming,she had many chances with rehab but abused the system,gone and soon forgotten

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 921104)

Is it me or does anyone else think wallop reminds them of a certain accywebber who had several names?.......silvermain, tadah, mr aleks???

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 921121)

If you read wallops previous posts you will have half an idea who it is. Not the member you mentioned though. I am fairly sure Mick knows who it is as well.

If anyone thinks a member is another member using a second name please report it so the mods can look into it.

Originally Posted by heth (Post 921046)

So come on Wallop what job do you do that gives you the right to judge others as you put it???

Originally Posted by heth (Post 921167)

Wallop you seem to have answered every other question bar this one? :rolleyes:
You avoiding it?

Originally Posted by wallop79 (Post 921175)

Seeing as I want to carry on working, sorry I aint gonna answer this question

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 921176)

Heth, I think we all make judgements in our daily lives.....it is because we are human.

We see someone with a shaved head and think he might be a thug, when in actual fact he is having Chemotherapy for leukaemia.

We see young folks larking about and swearing and think that perhaps all young folk are like this.....when it isn't so.

We can't help it.
I didn't like Amy Winehouse's music, or her reported lifestyle(remember we swallow what the media feeds us).........and I know celebs don't particularly want to be role models for the youngsters growing up, but the fact is, they are, whether they want to be or not.......she was not a good role model.

I am sad for her family. It is they who bear the burden of pain now....and the 'if only's'.........her torment is over, theirs is just beginning.
I wish the media would leave them in peace to do their grieving privately.

Originally Posted by ossylass (Post 921165)

I know you very well, Miss Wallop, and your Dad:)

Originally Posted by wallop79 (Post 921159)

Rest assured I only have this one name on here, Neil you know my sister who recently joined Accy Web, and Jaysay you know my dad (p.s Jaysay Im of the female species)

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 921176)

Heth, I think we all make judgements in our daily lives.....it is because we are human.

We see someone with a shaved head and think he might be a thug, when in actual fact he is having Chemotherapy for leukaemia.

We see young folks larking about and swearing and think that perhaps all young folk are like this.....when it isn't so.
We can't help it.

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 921192)

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 921189)

I do know who you are which is why I posted what I did.

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 921192)

All those who die of drugs, after being cleared of them in the past, deserve their fate. It's one way of tidying up the gene pool.
Retlaw.

Originally Posted by heth (Post 921184)

You cannot come on here and post that people with a drugs related problems are all bad people and could have quite easily have said "No" to drugs, it aint as easy as that.

Originally Posted by heth (Post 921050)

Also I am not trying to change your mind at all, you have an opinion I have mine.

Originally Posted by heth (Post 921209)

Like I said I am not judging anyone on here.

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 921212)

You wrote this.
" you cannot come on here".
If your not judging any one, then what are you rabbiting on about then.
Typical female logic.
Retlaw

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 921216)

There is but one thread on this subject and that has received exactly ten posts. Now, it may well be that I have old fashioned values, but nevertheless I would have thought people are more prepared to extend sympathy to 80 innocent young people working towards bettering their country and society than some drug addicted rich bitch with pretensions to sing about how bad life is. I think that now is the time that those people who have stuck posts such as ‘R.I.P.Amy’ should hang their heads in shame; they are an absolute disgrace.

Originally Posted by heth (Post 921218)

So Tealeaf you say that you have old fashioned values?

Is that why you have taken time to put such a long post on this thread telling people that have posted on here that they are a disgrace when you havent even posted on the thread about Norway?

:confused:

Originally Posted by heth (Post 921218)

So Tealeaf you say that you have old fashioned values?

Is that why you have taken time to put such a long post on this thread telling people that have posted on here that they are a disgrace when you havent even posted on the thread about Norway?

:confused:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 921221)

;

Look at my avatar; I put that on on friday evening, as the news came through. As you are probably to stupid to know, I can tell you it is the Norwegian flag. I was, as they say, gobsmacked for words on friday evening and since then I have had only cursory time to look at this site.

The flag is a symbol which signifies, but is stronger than words, to the effect that 'We are all Norwegians Now'.

Why don't you now just go back to llistening to your Amy Whitearse records? No doubt you can take a sniff of some white powder while you're at it.

Originally Posted by heth (Post 921222)

No need to make your post personal, dont worry I have reported it.

Yeah i know what flag it is and I thought that you would come back with something like this.
Seems you have time to keep coming back to this thread doesnt it? Shame you cant take a look at the Norway thread.

Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 921225)

There are quite a few nasty, personal comments being posted on this thread.

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 921228)

C'mon, then - name and shame 'em.

Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 921231)

Why suggest someone should sniff some white powder?

Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 921231)

Why suggest someone should sniff some white powder?

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 921232)

Ain't that what their heroine (excuse the pun) has been doing for the last five years or so?

Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 921236)

So are you suggesting that anyone who listens to her takes drugs? I don't care for her music, but I would not make the suggestion about her fans that you did. I like the Doors but have no intention of emulating the late Jim Morrison's drug habits. I like the Stones but would not emulate Keith Richards' previous drug habits.

Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 921225)

There are quite a few nasty, personal comments being posted on this thread.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 921249)

I agree there are.

People have their own opinion on this subject which is good for debate but please can we not get nasty towards each other.

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 921254)

I fully concur. I have simply stated a few home truths and yet have been subjected to the most vicious and sustained personnel attack since I can recall from at least last week.

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 921240)

If she wanted to take drugs, thats no problem with me - she could easily afford them. I doubt that many of her followers, could, though and they no doubt are busy shooting up and sniffing up. They are the same characters who follow this lifestyle except unlike your beloved Ms Whinehouse, they don't have the dosh to pay for it - they have to resort to other means.

So next time you're on hols and return to find a visit from your drugged up neighbourhood burglar, please remember in between wondering where your Sony home cinema system has gone and clearing up the turds on your axminster carpet, thats it's all down to people like that wonderful woman, Amy.

Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 921257)

Going back to my original question, why did you suggest someone on here should sniff white powder? My point was some of the comments on this thread have been nasty and personal. Is your idea of having a discussion or debate with someone is to win it by insulting them rather than by reasoned debate?

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 921259)

....Therefore I suggest that you depart upstairs now and first thing tomorrow you get out a dictionary and look up rhetoric, logic, deduction, evidence, pathos, humour and a few other concepts that make a good discussion and then maybe come back on here tomorrow evening sometime. With a bit of luck, I may even be around to assist you.

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 921216)

Thank you, Retlaw for putting this thread into perspective.

I note that tonight the street in which this woman lived is still mainly sealed off with police ‘Do Not Cross’ tape. It is not, as far as I am aware, a scene of crime. I therefore can only assume that it is due to restraining the grieving hordes of ‘hero’ worshippers who no doubt, are wailing tears and lighting candles or indulging in whatever is the latest fad to mourn the dead in this country’s celebrity obsessed culture.

That warped hysteria is reflected on this very website; there are two threads on the death of this druggie, and with a couple of exceptions, they all post some sort of sympathy note. Never mind that few (if any) ever met the stupid woman (I did, by the way, and my only impression was of an arrogant, ignorant brat), whatever the logic is behind this is beyond me. I would, however have thought that if there was to be significant postings about events outside Accy over this last weekend it would have been concerning Norway.

There is but one thread on this subject and that has received exactly ten posts. Now, it may well be that I have old fashioned values, but nevertheless I would have thought people are more prepared to extend sympathy to 80 innocent young people working towards bettering their country and society than some drug addicted rich bitch with pretensions to sing about how bad life is. I think that now is the time that those people who have stuck posts such as ‘R.I.P.Amy’ should hang their heads in shame; they are an absolute disgrace.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 921260)

I have no idea what those words mean but he could look up sarcasm, I understand that one :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 921259)

Could I respectfully suggest that you try and avoid getting emotional? I know it's late at night and probably way past your bedtime and far too late for you to get into a debate about what makes a good debate.

Therefore I suggest that you depart upstairs now and first thing tomorrow you get out a dictionary and look up rhetoric, logic, deduction, evidence, pathos, humour and a few other concepts that make a good discussion and then maybe come back on here tomorrow evening sometime. With a bit of luck, I may even be around to assist you.

Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 921265)

Which is precisely why Tealeaf loses yet another discussion.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 921268)

"Lose a discussion":confused: I somehow get the idea that you are not on the same page as most of the rest of us. How many discussions has Tealeaf lost? Is he in danger of being relegated:confused::eek:

Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 921549)

Good of you to hold your hand up for that.:D To be honest i am not bothered about her. Its her family i feel sorry for as with the people in Norway they are left to deal with the aftermath they are the ones who deserve our sympathy.