Mass murder in Norway
 

Rather sad day yesterday in Norway.
Seems that the murderer is a far right extremist.
Wonder if that would happen here?
To be honest, I am lost for words on this senseless massacre.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14260195

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Looks like the bloke was a lone gun in all this, really difficult to legislate for that kind of nutter. ( I did say to my daughter last night when the news was coming thru that it didn't sound like Al Qaeeda and more likely to be some neo-nazi ). he's obviously planned it well and the disguise was a winner. My sympathies to the Norwegian people , it's sick.:eek:

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There's not really much one can say; there's a limit to what mere words can express ... however many times this is commented on, debated, condemned, analysed, it will still hover around the edges of "incomprehensible." The killer looks like, well, ... normal, even ordinary: "the banality of evil."

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Words fail me. What a terrible tradegy.

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The BBC's coverage has been crap, I watched breakfast news yesterday morning and they had a 20 second clip of film which was being played on a loop, they were still using it this morning, its a bit like when any terrorist activity is mentioned they bring out the Tavistock Square photos of that bus, better to stick to dialog and just report the facts rather than keep repeating dated backdrop material

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Hey, if you think that the British Broadcorping Castration was "crap", catch this one. Our local rag, "The Kingston Whig-Standard" printed an editorial by one of its "toriest" (mmm, I have to think about that one:confused:) editors. They printed an editorial premised on a belief that it had been an attack by Islamic fundamentalists:eek::eek::eek: It must have been shortly after the paper hit the streets that it was announced that the perp was a home-grown NAZI.

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Some think he was a misguided home-grown Patriot ;)

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Some think that Attila the Hun was a cavalryman:D

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I don't think people like him will ever be able to be stopped. They can waste there time banning guns but next time it would be an illegal weapon. If there were no such things as guns he could have used a crow bar.
If some nutter wants to randomly kill people you cant ever stop it.

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They wont be able to stop these nutters, just look at that guy in Cumbria not so long back.

Feel sorry for all the people in Norway.

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Or as once stated a clumsy tourist:rolleyes:

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Have you seen Norways highest security prison? Its like a hotel. Can't help thinking they would have been better off saying he resisted arrest and killed him. I guess they wanted to find out if anyone else was involved.

I was also amazed how many people gathered together in one place to pay respects. No way I would have been there. Perfect target for a second killer to land a plane.

Who knows if he is a loner or if there is more to come yet.

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You are using the same old excuse Neil of no need to ban guns.. I mean as if this bloke could have done the same with a "crowbar"..60 odd people?.. not really!

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Yeah i have seen the pictures of people gathering and it were surreal the amount that turned out.

Looked beautiful with them all holding Roses though.

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I have no access to guns so when I flip my lid I plan driving through the Trafford Centre in a 4x4 seeing how many I can get.

You don't need guns to kill people.

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Of course you don't..but they do come in handy ;)

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Norway still has National Service, and access to firearms is still more liberal than in the UK. He would no doubt have been trained in the use of large calibre automatic weapons he may even have had further military training beyond the minimum period.

One thing puzzles me though. Breivik obtained money to purchase a large farm in Norway -from whom did he get the money? That farm was supposidly an organic farm, but he then proceeded to order 6 tons of nitrate fertiliser to make his Oslo bomb. Surely someone, somewhere, would have realised that any farm proclaiming to be organic would not use artificial nitrates.

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Do you really need an answer to that Tealeaf?..he got the stuff because he is a farmer and they get special benifits.. lets get things clear.. this man is a tory..I'd say that most Western nations are quite rightly looking towards muslim groups that are intent on murder.. As our prime minister has said any extremist group can and will do damage and this bloke has stated he does have contacts in the UK.. so where does this end?

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You don't believe all that organic nonsense do you? Its just a sales gimmic like Chinese companies stamping made in germany on goods

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Tory Farmers = Massacre of Young Socialists & Bombing of City Centres.

What you on tonight, Mancie? Same stuff as Amy

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Do Tories farm, thought it would be too much like hard work?

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I must admit, it's puzzled me. I certainly can't get my head around 'organic lamb'. But I do know there is such a thing as the Soil Association and I do know there is a policing mechanism for those farms and companies which wish to use the organic label in the UK. Maybe I've assumed that Norway, being a trendy scandavian country, is somewhat ahead of us in this matter.

One thing is for sure - the Scandavian crime writing industry is going to make something out of this. You only have to follow the adventures of Wallender or the writings of Steig Larsson to know there is a dark side to the nordic psyche. This thing could do to their crime writing what Abba did for their music.

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Whatever I'm on is no match for the right wing nutters in Norway or in this country ..it's all vey sad.

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But surely, if this guy was concerned about Islam, he would simply have blown up a few mosques or hit a few ghettoes? Why not the obvious targets according to his philosophy?

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Tories do claim to farm but the Poles and such do all the work for a pittance.. the farmers vote tory and the Poles don't even vote..that is the reality of Britain. I could go on but it gets boring,;)

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Wow being a Tory sounds good, do I get a free farm if I sign up?

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Well now I think that is close to the edge..and I reckon you know it..the bloke murdered all those people because..in his opinion ..were labour!

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That is the obvious thing to do but this bloke was obviously some sort of nutter. What right minded person could walk around shooting people led on the floor to make sure they were dead?

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Can't see why not..afterall that's how the tory party started :D

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Seems like the farmers have sence:D

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R.i.p.

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Did anyone else notice that one of the main photos allegedly showing this guy holding a gun with sights on it and wearing combat gear - the face angle of head indicates it was photoshopped in place - that the head does not fit with the body - why would they do this?

Also on the Monday Tuesday after the shootings the British press were saying the death toll was 96 - 3 days latter that was reduced by 20 to 76!

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I found an internet forum where many of the photographs and videos were show to be 'doctored'.
There was even some evidence that victims photos were photoshopped too - eg. the same photo appeared under different names - one with a hat and one without.

No doubt an incident happened, but whether it was on the large scale publicised is debateable.

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Must be a conspiracy;)

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Very perceptive of you:rolleyes:

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Just returned from Oslo yesterday, why don't you two pop over, I am sure the Norwegians will love to hear your idea's and views.

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Quick on me Margaret;):)

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If the event effects have been escalated, what makes you think that the population of Norway will have more detailed knowledge.

Unless you were actually part of the event you can't possibly know how much of the media info is true

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Seems to me the tragedy/story is being used/twisted/spun by the "left" , instead of being the actions of some lone nutter its being used as a tool to clamp down on folks who may have legitimate grievances on the percieved Islamification of Europe ;)

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Crossed my mind too ... It might not be a popular position in the wake of the massacre, but there are probably folks who share many of the beliefs of the killer, albeit to a lesser and saner degree; these are people who would never go to the extremes he did, or even contemplate doing so. From a distance, it appears to me that the greatest threats to the nations of Europe are: the EU, the more extreme forms of Islam, and unchecked immigration. Over this side of the pond, are two great nations (need I say which:D) that are built by immigrants, and, in the case of Canada, thrive and grow on the contributions of selected immigrants. (Although the First Nations folks have a different, and quite valid opinion). Canada is now searching for, arresting, and deporting all those who have no right to be in OUR country. :alright:

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According to some reports in the press, he's already Photo Shopped himself, by having plastic surgery to appear more Aryan.

Norway shooting: Anders Behring Breivik had plastic surgery to look more Aryan | Mail Online

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That is a valid point as the guy looks seriously stern with his blue eyes and fixed stare - there is something strange about him but that photo does look odd - like the heads been stuck on - or perhaps it could be his head! :confused: