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Bee 28-07-2011 11:20

Poll: New bus station for Accrington
 
Lets have a vote, Should it be built?.

lancsdave 30-07-2011 13:05

Re: Poll: New bus station for Accrington
 
I doubt if anyone would vote against a new bus station. The argument is where to put it not if there should be one.

mobertol 01-08-2011 15:21

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In most places the bus station is near the train station...

Margaret Pilkington 01-08-2011 16:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 922767)
In most places the bus station is near the train station...

Yes....that maybe the case, but in Accrington the train station is quite a way from the centre of the town, the shops, the market....and there's the rub.

Tesco would love the bus station to be near the railway station.........would enhance their sales no end...but as it is up the hill, and a good step out of town(especially for the elderly and mums with toddlers and prams) it would be hard to justify.....and town centre shops/market hall/market would suffer.

This poll is just a waste of time. The crux of the matter isn't do we want a new Bus Station .......but where is the right place for the bus station?

Obviously the answer has to be, near all the shops and the market.
Anything else makes no sense and will leave to town on the skids.

steeljack 01-08-2011 17:26

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maybe time is playing tricks with my memory , but seems to me Blackburn Railway station is just as far if not more from the shopping mall (King William st) than Accrington station is from Broadway.;) :confused:

garinda 01-08-2011 17:52

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 922794)
maybe time is playing tricks with my memory , but seems to me Blackburn Railway station is just as far if not more from the shopping mall (King William st) than Accrington station is from Broadway.;) :confused:

Oh Blackburn's all changed.

I caught the bus home from school every day, and even I'm lost there now.

You can get to a massive supermarket diresctly off the Boulevard/Railway Road.

There are still some bus stops there, but also many are on Ainsworth Street...under the shopping mall.

There are bus stops near the station in Accrington, for the few that might be using both modes of transport.

I suspect the majority of bus users who come into Accrington, do so to shop...in the dwindling places we have left, and which will be even fewer, if the bus station is moved further away from the town centre.

Margaret Pilkington 01-08-2011 18:20

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The difference between Blackburn bus and train station is that it isn't as far away from the shops as one at Accrington Train station would be...also it is all on the level......no hill to go up.

And yes Blackburn centre has changed quite a lot...with bus stops being close to the shops....in fact Ainsworth St...and Penny street used to be like a mini bus station either side of the old market....a bonus for shoppers...get your fruit and veg and hop on a bus just outside the market.
OK...so it has changed now the market on that site is closed down, but buses still stop close to the commercial centre of Blackburn.

Mick 02-08-2011 05:15

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Preston Rail Station is at one end of town and Bus station is at the other end:D

jaysay 02-08-2011 08:22

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 922876)
Preston Rail Station is at one end of town and Bus station is at the other end:D

The motto there then mick is don't miss your train or you've got a long walk:D

Bee 05-08-2011 10:52

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It would be nice having a new bus station.

Nelson have a new bus station, opened on 8 December 2008.

lancsdave 05-08-2011 12:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bee (Post 923597)
Nelson have a new bus station, opened on 8 December 2008.


Does it make Nelson a better place, NO

Do they already need to spend money repairing it YES

Bee 05-08-2011 22:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 923625)
Does it make Nelson a better place, NO

Do they already need to spend money repairing it YES

Who is the MP of Pendle?.

lancsdave 06-08-2011 07:05

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Originally Posted by Bee (Post 923766)
Who is the MP of Pendle?.

What's the relevance of that in this thread ?

WillowTheWhisp 06-08-2011 11:31

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We do need a decent bus station, not a bus street where the buses are jostling for spaces or blocking each other from getting out, not to mention the ones relegated to the side streets because there isn't even room for all the bus stops.

MargaretR 06-08-2011 11:54

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If there isn't room for them all, could it be there are too many?
How often do you see buses barely half full?
Maybe the timetables need fine tuning so as to concentrate supply to times/days/routes when people use them most.

WillowTheWhisp 06-08-2011 12:59

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So your solution is to have fewer buses and the people who have to rely on public transport have to arrange to travel all at the same time so they can fill a bus? Tough if someone living in Clayton has a dental appointment for her toddler in Ossy then like a friend of mine last week.

MargaretR 06-08-2011 13:24

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I am not suggesting that buses should only run full but prune the timetables at the times they run almost empty.
When arranging an appointment it is logical for it to be made to fit the timetable.

cashman 06-08-2011 13:29

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the existing bus station may be a bit less crowded if 2/3 buses didn't come along at the same time.:rolleyes:

MargaretR 06-08-2011 13:44

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 923875)
the existing bus station may be a bit less crowded if 2/3 buses didn't come along at the same time.:rolleyes:

Exactly! - before privatisation the timetables were controlled by the council transport dept, so you didn't get several companies all turning up for the same passengers.

Neil 07-08-2011 08:38

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 923868)
So your solution is to have fewer buses and the people who have to rely on public transport have to arrange to travel all at the same time so they can fill a bus? Tough if someone living in Clayton has a dental appointment for her toddler in Ossy then like a friend of mine last week.

If there were less buses on the same routes so the buses had more passengers on them would the fares not come down?

Running a bus that only has a few people on must be very expensive for the bus company which has to reflect in the bus fare.

Maybe passengers would not mind if the bus was every hour in stead of every 1/2 hour if the fare was cheaper.

I was talking with a bus driver last night and even he commented on how expensive the fares were.

katex 07-08-2011 08:54

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Thought this was interesting ... drop of 19% of young people taking their driving test since 2005 due to the cost of lessons, buying a car, etc. Do you think this could have a knock on effect and public transport will become more widely used ?

BBC News - Young drivers unable to afford cost of car insurance

My 21 year old granddaughter agreed with this in conversation yesterday. Even though she has in the past been offered driving lessons for birthdays, Christmas, etc., she never saw the point as couldn't afford to run a car when she obtained a driving licence.

Mind you, she is still a student and has the benefit of concessions on public transport.

jaysay 07-08-2011 09:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 924069)
Thought this was interesting ... drop of 19% of young people taking their driving test since 2005 due to the cost of lessons, buying a car, etc. Do you think this could have a knock on effect and public transport will become more widely used ?

BBC News - Young drivers unable to afford cost of car insurance

My 21 year old granddaughter agreed with this in conversation yesterday. Even though she has in the past been offered driving lessons for birthdays, Christmas, etc., she never saw the point as couldn't afford to run a car when she obtained a driving licence.

Mind you, she is still a student and has the benefit of concessions on public transport.

Kate young people get a taxi now where we would have caught the bus down town on a Saturday night and one on the return trip where we would have walked it home after the con two steps forward three back:D

katex 07-08-2011 09:41

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 924080)
Kate young people get a taxi now where we would have caught the bus down town on a Saturday night and one on the return trip where we would have walked it home after the con two steps forward three back:D

Maybe some of them on a Saturday night, Jaysay. I am talking about their day journeys ... don't know of any that can afford taxis for these. :confused:

garinda 07-08-2011 09:44

Re: Poll: New bus station for Accrington
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 924069)
Thought this was interesting ... drop of 19% of young people taking their driving test since 2005 due to the cost of lessons, buying a car, etc. Do you think this could have a knock on effect and public transport will become more widely used ?

BBC News - Young drivers unable to afford cost of car insurance

My 21 year old granddaughter agreed with this in conversation yesterday. Even though she has in the past been offered driving lessons for birthdays, Christmas, etc., she never saw the point as couldn't afford to run a car when she obtained a driving licence.

Mind you, she is still a student and has the benefit of concessions on public transport.

...and not forgetting the biggest cost for young drivers, insurance.

Which can be astronomic.

jaysay 07-08-2011 09:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 924092)
...and not forgetting the biggest cost for young drivers, insurance.

Which can be astronomic.

Ya I recon if a 17 or 18 year old (the age I passed my test) tries to get insurance in their own name they'll be lucky even to get it, even then £2000 will be around the figure they are charged if not more

Neil 07-08-2011 10:35

Re: Poll: New bus station for Accrington
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 924089)
Maybe some of them on a Saturday night, Jaysay. I am talking about their day journeys ... don't know of any that can afford taxis for these. :confused:

Lots of people at work use taxi's to get here.
If you can pick up a few friends on the way it can sometimes work out cheaper that the bus. Especially if all 4 are full fare paying adults.

WillowTheWhisp 07-08-2011 19:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 923873)
When arranging an appointment it is logical for it to be made to fit the timetable.



:D I am sorry but I had to laugh at that suggestion. If other dentists and doctors are as difficult to book in with as mine then the idea of telling them you have to have an appointment to co-incide with the less frequent bus times would probably result in them telling you to find a different doctor/dentist - and that ain't easy.

I do think it's a problem on some routes where several companies cover the same journey but on longer journeys there are some differences between some routes, ie there are those which go round one estate and those which go round a different one. Between Accrington and Blackburn some are direct and some go through Ossy. Some less popular routes end up being scrapped altogether and leaving the few people who rely on buses then totally dependant on friends to give them a lift (not always available) or a more expensive taxi.

My daughter and I went to visit a friend in hospital in Liverpool last Thursday and for an hour and a half visit it took us all day travelling on public transport. It needs to be easier and more conventient, not more hassle and less available.

garinda 07-08-2011 21:40

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Build it on top of the Coppice.

Apply for art funding, to cover the costs.


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