Mark Duggan
 

The death of Mark Duggan sparked the disturbances in Tottenham that led to the rioting across London and other cities. They are being discussed at length in other posts, but it is worth having a separate thread to talk about the specifics of his death, which raise a whole raft of other issues.

The IPCC has published its initial findings. It seems that he was sitting in the back of a taxi when he was shot, and a firearm was found next to him. The firearm had been converted from one that fires blank rounds to one that fires live bullets. A bulleted cartridge was found in the gun. It was not a replica, but was rather an illegal firearm.

There was no evidence that the gun had been discharged, and the two bullets fired at the scene came from police weapons. Duggan died from a single shot wound.

The IPCC reports that the police firearms officers claim they discharged their weapons in the belief that there was a threat to human life. The guidelines allow them to open fire in such circumstances.

The family of Mark Duggan have expressed their concern at the findings. They feel that someone should be held responsible for his death.

I agree with them. There is only one person responsible for Mark Duggan's death. The low life nonentity that climbed into the back of a taxi with a loaded illegal gun, and acted in such a way that armed police were called and felt it necessary to shoot him because he was a threat to human life.

ie their beloved Mark.

Re: Mark Duggan
 

I think it was The Reverend Green, with the lead pipe, in the Billiard Room, what done it.

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The IPCC looked at that theory, but it was scuppered by the fact that the Rev Green is still in Parkhurst after the incident with Professor Plum and the rope in the Conservatory. :(

Re: Mark Duggan
 

To be perfectly honest,unless the findings say otherwise, i hardly reckon he merits a thread.

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Will you be saying that when his family receive thousands of pounds compensation from the taxpayer for a so called illegal shooting?

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well if they do who's faults that? Mark Duggan,n anyone who thinks shooting n armed man is illegal,then thats a sad indictment of what societys become.:(

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Good question. The Coalition Government? 14 years of Labour rule, maybe? The European Human Rights legislation?

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I honestly couldn't careless who's fault it is/was, the object should be to correct this stupidity, but won't happen in my lifetime.:rolleyes:

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Well put, but of course their Mark was such a good lad never put a foot wrong "the gun must have been planted next to him your honour", because he was such a kind, gentle, upstanding member of the community. :dflam:

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This is not a political argument, at least you cannot say any one government is to blame.
The deceased had a choice, he choose to carry a hand gun, they are illegal in this country.
He paid the price for it.
Why would you feel the need to carry a loaded weapon that only has one use, to kill or maim.

There has been a rise in the number of gun carrying youths in recent years, maybe the gangsta rappers have something to do with it

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He Duggan his own grave.

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Well he shouldn't have had an hand gun in the first place everybody knows its illegal;)

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And it really is as simple as that. If you go out with a gun and you get shot by the police its your own fault. Even if the policeman does not warn you because he believes he does not have the time for a warning before he thinks you are going to shoot, its your own fault.

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this idiot was the topic of discussion on talk sport the other night and people from his area were ringing in and emailing that amongst his hobbies he allegedly liked to give cocaine etc to young teenagers to get them hooked so they would become future customers.

If true that alone justifies a bullet through his head

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Totally agree..if you have possesion of an illegal loaded gun then you are likley to be dealt with by whatever means and that is right..no messing about.
I'll add that I see no viable reason for anyone apart from the police to be allowed to own a loaded gun in this country.

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Yeh but did he raise the gun? If he had the gun in a bag then the cops shouldn't have shot him - only if he intended to fire on them should he have been shot! :cool:

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oh poor gangsta, in a bag or not guns in bad hands are likely to kill or maim at some point, but not today so dont shoot. PATHETIC.:(

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If you go out with a gun, you've no one to blame but yourself if you get shot. End of. :rolleyes:

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It does not matter if the gun was brandished or concealed, taking a loaded gun onto the streets is a threat to society. And if the police thought he was a threat, they are well within their powers to open fire.

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South Africa's new top cop, Bheki Cele, wants the law to be changed to allow police to "shoot to kill" criminals without worrying about "what happens after that".

Speaking exclusively to Weekend Argus on Friday, Commissioner Cele said the police needed to match the firepower of criminals and use "deadly force".

http://allafrica.com/stories/200908010001.html

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Police in South Africa were ordered yesterday to deal with criminals by "killing the bastards".

Susan Shabangu, the country's security minister, told officers not to worry about regulations, negotiations or warning shots.

Instead, police should use the guns given to them and go for the kill.

South Africa has become the murder capital of the world with more than 22,000 deaths a year.

Rape, pistol-whipping and torture are commonplace.

England and Wales, with a population little larger than that of South Africa, have around 700 murders a year.

Mrs Shabangu's comments came at a public meeting to discuss her government's response to soaring crime rates.

Aiming her words at police chiefs, she said of criminals: "You must kill the bastards if they threaten you or the community. You must not worry about the regulations - that is my responsibility. Your responsibility is to serve and protect.

"I want no warning shots. You have one shot and it must be a kill shot.

"Criminals are hell-bent on undermining the law and they must now be dealt with. End of story. There are to be no negotiations with criminals."

Read more: Shoot the bastards... and shoot to kill: South African minister tells police to show criminals no mercy | Mail Online

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they used to have that power but the western commie pinkos, (Labour in the UK and Democrats in the US deemed it racist) , seems the wheel has turned full circle , now its ok :confused: :confused:

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BBC News - Met Chief Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe praises Mark Duggan family 'dignity'
I understand why the police chief is saying this, but to me it is symptomatic of a sub culture that believes itself to be unfettered by legal and social conventions, shunning any responsibility for its own actions, then bleating when it gets burned by the consequences of actions perpetrated by its members. Having just watched "Tough Teachers" on BBC3, I am surprised that our inner cities are not strewn with the corpses of Duggan-alikes.

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Live by the sword die by the sword.

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Eggzackly

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but he was by a gun and died by a gun :D

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It's all bull and bluster, trying to live up to the 'gangsta' image. Egotistical, narcissistic crap. Well, I'm afraid, the consequences were harsh but I suppose that goes with the territory. People are now living in fear in our inner cities because of gang culture / warfare and innocent people are often caught in the crossfire. The line has to be drawn somewhere otherwise society will descend in to total chaos. Noone wants their kids growing up in a country where you fear for them every time they go out the door. You play with fire, you get burned, simple.

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Sure there's a lot of punks out there into the gangsta "culture" ... maybe it's the violent movies, video games, etc. .... Maybe it's just a sign of the times.:rolleyes: But then there's the other side ... the heat ... trigger happy cops who get their jollies playing with themselves while they watch "Cops". Even in boring, low-crime, peaceful Canada a kid armed with a pocket knife takes six rounds ... a confused Polish tourist, armed only with a stapler, gets tasered to death by the horsemen at Vancouver International. The violence infects both sides.

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