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Beware giving rushed instructions to someone when placing an advert for a job in the paper. Otherwise this could happen!

BBC News - Royal Liverpool Hospital inquiry into 'usual rubbish' advert

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The only thing is it was probably right;)

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no probably about it.......... it was right.;)

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I can just imagine a senior HR employee saying to the junior.....

"place this ad for and anaesthetist will you, and just add the usual rubbish about equal opportunities etc."

It has probably come verbatim from the person who ordered the ad to be placed hehehehe.........:D

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Let's just hope they give the job to someone on the basis of their experience and qualifications to act as an anaesthetist.

Not because it evens up the hospital's quota of one-legged lesbian post-operative transsexuals, seeking political asylum whilst awaiting the removal of their name from the child sex register in accordance with the European Union's Human Rights legislation.....

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Reckon yeh nailed it bang on lettie.:D;) what was really pathetic was some silly Liberal Cow on the news saying how can yeh trust the hospital fer ops etc, like this has owt to do wi that side of things.

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One has to ask can that silly cow be trusted to get anything right;)

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No doubt someone will let me know, but I so far haven't really seen equal opportunities.

We have laws in place to make sure that adverts are equal in their opportunity.

But are we equal?

There seem to be talents that females master better than the male and also the opposite.

However, this paper chasing world of ours that claims we shouldn't allow a woman to be a woman, a man to be a man, seems to interfere with the two sexes actually getting on with each other.

As soon as I open a door for a woman, I'm being patronising, as soon as she shows her independance because she doesn't need a door opening for her, she's being a threat to masculinity.

In actual fact there are differences and as old fashioned as it may seem, I would rather open a door for a 'Lady', than leave it to slap in her face, but sometimes we are left with the man wondering will she be insulted? and the woman wondering, will he be insulted?
Well let's put these thoughts and differences to one side and realise,
It's so much nicer if a man can treat a woman as a lady than to have her insist on 'complete' independance.
;)

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"Usual rubbish" seem pretty tame ... could have been "usual bs". Personally, I don't see to much wrong with affirmative action; it's what happens to it when it gets in the hands of the wrong kind of folks ... the ultra-pc crowd. Ironically, this leads to "tokenism", which is the silly side of positive affirmative action.

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I quote from the BBC story referenced:

"A trust spokeswoman said: "The wording on this advert in no way reflects the Royal Liverpool and Broadgreen University Hospitals NHS Trust's position in relation to equal opportunities, to which it is fully committed.

"The trust is conscious of its duty to promote equality and is a Stonewall Diversity Champion employer. "

Of immeadiate concern is the fact that it is a 'spokeswoman', and not a spokesperson who has made the response - hypocracy in itself; but far more importantly is this reference to Stonewall. As far as I understand, this is an organisation for the botty-bashing brigade. Exactly what role they are playing in the management of this acute hospital I do not know, but it would appear to me that patient care should have priority over accommodating this mob.

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Equal opportunities should be available to all.

Monkeys break into top Indian hospital via automatic doors - Odd News - Digital Spy

It's outrageous that some are barred from doing various medical jobs, just because they're from a different species.

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Are those the same monkeys that will be taking over the jobs from Accy Expedia?

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Still up in the air.

Their unions still in talks with them.

There's a problem, as Expedia don't offer the same benefits package to same sex monkey couples.

It could mean bananas.

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I think that "spokeswoman" and "spokesman" are fine ... this way you know whether some stupid bitch is speaking, or some dumb asshole ... (I realize that "asshole" is somewhat gender neutral; but I couldn't use "dumb p....":rolleyes:;))

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Talking ... well sort of .... about pc'ism, check this one out:

McDonald's to show calories on UK menus - Health - CBC News

Now how damn stupid do you have to be not to realize that the crap Rotten Ronnie serves up will pile on the pounds.:rolleyes:

I know it's a wander, but it's not worth a thread of its own. Reminds me of my favorite cigarette warning ... you know, the one that informs you that fags are addictive.:eek:

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Yes, the Nanny didn't leave, when that Mrs. Thatcher got ousted.

We have an even stricter Nanny now. Who assumes we are mentally deficient, and treats us accordingly.

As well as telling us too many beef burgers makes you into a big fat piggy, she's full of other useful advice too.

She also pops her head through bedroom windows, and screams
'What you dirty pair are doing now makes babies!'

Dear Nanny State.

She's so wise, and certainly knows what's best for us all.

:rolleyes:

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And some idiot over here wants to put a warning on beer labels ... No, not one that says that too many of them will make you a little tipsy:rolleyes: ... but a "gluten" warning.:D Ok all of us (except for Bee who is underage) realize that beer contains barley, even American beer (well, maybe not Coors Lite).

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What a great post Less, I don't think anybody in their right mind can fault what you've said (but there will) I never changed my attitude towards women, even when some decided to join Ms Greer and burnt their bras. There never has been anything wrong in opening a door for a lady or giving up your seat on a bus, walking on the outside on the footpath, and genuinely making a woman feel special, that's the way I was brought up and never saw any reason to change

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Equal opportunitys does exactly the opposite. By asking peoples coluor, sexuality etc on application forms this ensures that these issues are taken into account, therefore discriminating against people that dont fit the criteria....for example employers must employ so many ethnics, disabled etc so joe bloggs might not get the job simply because the employer must employ someone of different colour etc.....equal mi ass

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When I wired my new electric shower up I held the bathroom door open for my wife and insisted she be the first to try It.:hehetable

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Hyndburn Borough Council are big on equality according to this story in the LT Hyndburn Council in new equality drive (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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I'm pleased to see there is at least one gentleman left in the world...:)

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And that makes two!:):)

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So despite all the financial pressures and the cutbacks on essential spending, HBC can still commit resources to producing this nonsense.

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As to the "usual rubbish about equal opportunities" I'd say that's a fairly accurate way of putting it -in most cases it's not what you know but who you know that counts...

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Close, but no cigar: It's not who you know, but who you (rhymes with "know"):eek::D

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You colonials are so crude. I'll bet you drive a Cadillac.

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Of course I do ... Except for the winter months when I drive an old, beat up Chev Suburban ... a big V8, 4 wheel drive with a winch on the front ... great for busting down snow banks:alright: I'm just a crude V8 kinda guy .... I never got into those 'green' pork and bean can things. Of course, we don't pay as much for gas as the poor sods in the UK do.:D

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I envy you. I'd love to have one of those monsters from the 50's and 60's but I couldn't afford to drive it to a petrol station,never mind fill it up!

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“We need to ensure that we are not unwittingly discriminating by doing something that disadvantages to benefit one group of people over another.”

What a big buch of hollyhocks!

Since we already have laws on our statute books, to prevent discrimination on every conceivable ground, do we really need all this guff in local government?

If Hyndburn Borough Council carry out their business to the letter of the law, they'll be discriminating against no one.

I wonder how much time, and money's being put in to this, in order for H.B.C. to achievie 'excellence in providing an equal service' status?

I'm begining to have flashbacks, that I'm still living in loony Lambeth, or Liverpool again.

Let's hope we get a nice framed award.

Showing just how pathetically liberal we are.

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Where on earth will this end?

Sorry Miss, you have just the qualifications and experience we're looking for, but I can't offer you the job, as we've already filled our 'pretty quota' this year.

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The theory of "Equal opportunities" in itself is a load of codswallop, we will never ever be equal, whether it's about men or woman, race & colour, physical ability or intelligence sexual preferences. We are all different regardless how much the bleaters & whiners try to ram it down our throats, in fact the more it's forced through the more it's resented.

Automatically by requiring certain qualities or skills you're already discriminating in theory, why can't the whiners & those insisting just let things lie ? Just accept some folk are better than others at certain things & that is just the way life is & will always be unless we start "engineering people", so we're all equal. Sanctimonious crap !

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I also think it's very stupid for our top universities to have certain quotas to fill, making sure they have a given intake of students from the state system.

Undergraduates should be given their place because they are the best on offer.

If there are failings in state education, address those issues, and therefore ensure those pupils have an equal chance of winning a place at a good university.

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What ever happen to giving the job to the best qualified person irrespective of sex, creed or colour, keep to those guide lines and you could never be far wrong

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Which brings us back to the original post about the appointment of an anaesthetist.

If I'm going to be put under, I want the person doing it to know what they are doing. If they are there to satisfy some quota or other, how do I know they can tell the difference between Nitrous Oxide and Carbon Dioxide?

A bit like that film Green For Danger with Megs Jenkins as the baddie.....

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This argument of yours is drifting away from "equal opportunities". PCism really bugs my ass ... but, you seem to be going way off base when you assume that someone hired through an "equal opportunities" ad will be incompetent. I can't see any logical path (live long and prosper, by the way;)) by which you can reach this conclusion:confused: What you are suggesting is that affirmative action programs will lead to the hiring of incompetents, that your plane will be piloted by a blind lesbian merely because there were so few blind lesbians piloting planes, and that balance had to be acheived. Is it your argument that incompetents are being hired because of "equal opportunities"? That soon, planes will be falling out of the sky because the pilot is a blind lesbian, and the co-pilot is an octogenarian with alzheimers (we can't have ageism)? When I think of affirmative action, I don't think of the pc garbage mouthed by granola "visionaries"; I think of it as being used to address imbalances that would not be resolved without some kind of government action. A good example of systemic imbalance is that women are still being paid less than men for doing the same bloody job.:confused:

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That is not always the case Eric, which a resent report verified:rolleyes:

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maybe when you've been discriminated against then you can turn round and have a go ... but until you have been you dont know what its like to be told that you were the best person for the job ... even over qualified ... and he'd hire you like a shot ... BUT because you have epilepsy then he wasnt .... oh and being told that to your face by the interviewer ... its not nice ...

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That's not my point. We are not talking about what some recent unnamed report has "verified" .... the thread is based on the report linked in the opening post. Nowhere in it is there any suggestion that incompetents are to be hired merely because they fit a particular profile. Look at what happened ... some guy used the term "usual rubbish", possibly because, like many of us, he considers that, like the warnings on cigarette packs, having to publish regulations every time an ad goes out is pc "rubbish" ... and this got published. As if none of us is aware that all jobs are open to qualified applicants regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation etc. And that's it. And because of the pc climate, this necessitates some unctuous bitch from Google Page Ranking, getting up on her hind legs and issuing ass-covering statements. To attack the whole affirmative action system, much of which is positive, based on such flimsy "evidence" is ... well, dumb ... and it serves no purpose other than to allow folks to sound off with their biases.

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Oh, I forgot, I also ride a Harley Davidson ... pics are available in the Old Motors thread:p;):D

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I was talking about women still being paid less than men, these days its not always the case

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I could get to hate you!
I lost my nerve the day I thought I'd killed my girlfriend and never rode again, but a Harley!! Yes please.

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I realize it is not always the case. Things have changed a helluva lot since I was in clogs. But, whatever spin you put on it, equal pay for workd of equal value still ain't here yet. It's getting close ... but close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades;):D