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accyman 12-09-2011 13:13

body found at whinny hill tip
 
heard on the radio a body has been uncovered at whinny hill tip :eek:

not many details been released yet but when i passed earlier they were evacuating people from there so i guess its going to be shut for a while

Jim Procter 12-09-2011 13:14

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Sounds exciting

shillelagh 12-09-2011 13:21

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BBC News - Body found at Accrington landfill site

here you go ...

MargaretR 12-09-2011 13:25

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Could this also mean that grey bin emptying will be suspended too?
The LET news report said that Burnley and Colne facilities were closed too, but didn't say why.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk...landfill_site/

cashman 12-09-2011 13:29

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 932941)
Could this also mean that grey bin emptying will be suspended too?
The LET news report said that Burnley and Colne facilities were closed too, but didn't say why.

Man's body found at Accrington landfill site (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Dunno,don't really matter, police etc have to do their work simple as.

Barrie Yates 12-09-2011 18:05

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I was turned away from there late this morning but was told that the Harwood site was open, which it was.

harwood red 12-09-2011 18:55

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the same harwood site that is due to close too!!!

My grey bin still got emptied today....phew seeing as I missed them two weeks ago so it was crammed full of a months worth of rubbish

Mancie 12-09-2011 19:23

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Good to see the caring "big society" is alive in Accy (unlike the poor sod on the tip)... main concern is will the bins be emptied. :alright: :rofl38::rofl38:

cashman 12-09-2011 19:24

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 933032)
Good to see the caring "big society" is alive in Accy (unlike the poor sod on the tip)... main concern is will the bins be emptied. :alright: :rofl38::rofl38:

those were my sentiments.

shillelagh 12-09-2011 21:48

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the police have named him .. hes from burnley

Lancashire Constabulary

garinda 12-09-2011 22:53

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Perhaps someone read this thread.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...nge-59104.html

Mancie 12-09-2011 23:05

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 933088)

Times are hard :D..did they dump bodies on the tip back in the glory days of the 1930's ?

cashman 12-09-2011 23:12

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Summat seems very odd,about this to me. poor sod.:confused:

accyman 12-09-2011 23:16

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in all seriousness though if foul play is afoot i hope the swine or swines are caught because just dumping someone in a skip or wheelie bin is pretty cold.

Thats assuming he was dumped in a wheelie bin but from what i can make out it looks like he was dumped in burnley with rubbish into a skip and then the skip taken to landfill in accy.

if he was murdered it was a pretty big risk to take a body to the tip as they help you and at most tips inspect your rubbish to make sure its going into the correct skip.

There is a possibility he was a skip router after it closed and had an accident which would explain teh absence of signs of an attack :confused:

garinda 12-09-2011 23:17

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It is sad.

No age to die.

Mancie 12-09-2011 23:23

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 933101)
It is sad.

No age to die.

Ok that's enough of all this .. will the bins be collected? :confused:

AccyMad 13-09-2011 07:07

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Whatever happened I hope the poor bloke can rest in peace & that his family get to know the truth, just because there are no obvious signs of an attack doesn't always mean there wasn't one - something the police don't always realise or want to be told

flashy 13-09-2011 07:18

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'no obvious signs of attack' are you having a laugh? Someone has obviously either dumped the body there or put him in a bin, i highly doubt the poor bloke walked up there just to die


R.I.P fella

Neil 13-09-2011 07:39

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Its strange that the initial examination of the body showed up nothing.
If someone is murdered I would expect they would have found the cause of death fairly easily.

AccyMad 13-09-2011 07:39

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I can assure you I wasn't being funny! Just repeating what an earlier poster had put about there maybe being an explanation for an absence of signs of an attack, & if you read it properly I said that even if there weren't any obvious signs it doesn't mean he wasn't attacked & that his family get to know the truth - something that doesn't always happen

accyman 13-09-2011 08:42

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Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 933139)
I can assure you I wasn't being funny! Just repeating what an earlier poster had put about there maybe being an explanation for an absence of signs of an attack, & if you read it properly I said that even if there weren't any obvious signs it doesn't mean he wasn't attacked & that his family get to know the truth - something that doesn't always happen

well i did say there was a possibility he was a tip router and had an accident.If you go to the tip near closing time you can see people hiding in the trees waiting for it to close so they can go in and route through the skips.Im not saying he was a skip router but the possibility is there that he could have been in a skip routing in burnley and had an accident in the skip and got burried alive in it then the skip transported to whinney hill where he was discoverd when it was emptied.Whinney hill tip has cameras so he would be recorded if he had been routing there but some of the smaller sites dont have cameras.

All we can do is speculate until more in-depth tests are carried out

MargaretR 13-09-2011 08:45

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I didn't understand 'skip router' but the penny has now dropped - you mean a person who 'roots' in skips.

accyman 13-09-2011 08:51

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 933160)
I didn't understand 'skip router' but the penny has now dropped - you mean a person who 'roots' in skips.

Yes.

I know someone who works at a tip and routers are as problem as they dig deep into the skips looking for anything they can sell.Every morning there is a mess to clean up where routers have thrown things out while digging in the skips.

Again im not saying this happened im just offering up an explanation how signs of an attack could not be there.With the bad weather and conditions in a skip ie: maggots,rotten food etc could make visual evidence hard to find.

Thats my contribution to C.S.I Accyweb :D

Less 13-09-2011 08:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 933139)
I can assure you I wasn't being funny! Just repeating what an earlier poster had put about there maybe being an explanation for an absence of signs of an attack, & if you read it properly I said that even if there weren't any obvious signs it doesn't mean he wasn't attacked & that his family get to know the truth - something that doesn't always happen

Yes you did, I understood that, what I didn't understand was,

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Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 933125)
something the police don't always realise or want to be told

Why wouldn't the Police want to be told?

I would have thought that if there are any known facts to do with this unfortunate incident the Police would be very happy if someone could come forward and tell them what happened.

Mancie 13-09-2011 09:06

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 933166)
I would have thought that if there are any known facts to do with this unfortunate incident the Police would be very happy if someone could come forward and tell them what happened.

Accyman has told us what happened..it was a "skip router" from Burnley.

Less 13-09-2011 09:21

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 933169)
Accyman has told us what happened..it was a "skip router" from Burnley.

Accyman has speculated that this could be a possibility.

He has stated in each post that it is a theory, it is a very plausible theory, but it IS only that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 933163)

Again im not saying this happened im just offering up an explanation how signs of an attack could not be there.

Thats my contribution to C.S.I Accyweb :D

So please in future pay attention and stop trying turn an unfortunate thread into something even less caring.

I agree with you that there is something a little sad in a thread about a body found at a tip being turned into a, 'Will my bin be collected today?' thread.

However I also find it sad that you could be so inaccurate as to post:-

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 933169)
Accyman has told us what happened..it was a "skip router" from Burnley.


Mancie 13-09-2011 09:25

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Well if Accyman reckons it's a bloke from Burnley routing about in skips it's good enough for me..what more evidence do you need?

AccyMad 13-09-2011 09:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 933166)
Yes you did, I understood that, what I didn't understand was,



Why wouldn't the Police want to be told?

I would have thought that if there are any known facts to do with this unfortunate incident the Police would be very happy if someone could come forward and tell them what happened.

I wasn't referring to this particular case Less, but from a personal experience where the police drew their own conclusions & had a case cut & dried without exploring all possibilities despite being given information that I know they did not act on. I don't want to go into the details of that case on here as it is still too raw but I just hope that in the case of this poor man, the police do their job thoroughly & sensitively

Less 13-09-2011 10:05

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Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 933197)
I wasn't referring to this particular case Less, but from a personal experience where the police drew their own conclusions & had a case cut & dried without exploring all possibilities despite being given information that I know they did not act on. I don't want to go into the details of that case on here as it is still too raw but I just hope that in the case of this poor man, the police do their job thoroughly & sensitively

You gave us no idea that you were talking about something completely different to the poor bloke mentioned in this thread.
Perhaps, you are now generalising because of personal reasons rather than common sense?
Just because you believe that in your experience,
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something the police don't always realise or want to be told
Doesn't make it correct.

AccyMad 13-09-2011 15:01

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 933202)
You gave us no idea that you were talking about something completely different to the poor bloke mentioned in this thread.
Perhaps, you are now generalising because of personal reasons rather than common sense?
Just because you believe that in your experience,
Doesn't make it correct.

In my original post, I did not say I was talking about the man who was found yesterday, just expressed my hope that his family would get to know the truth of whatever has happened to him as in my personal experience that is not always the case.
Ok, I did not use the words 'in my personal experience' so I suppose that was generalising the situation and maybe I should apologise for that, but when something like this happens it brings it all back.
All I know is that, before the experience I had, I would not have believed how many cock ups the police can, in some cases, make & after what I & others have gone through because of their mistakes, I would not wish that on anyone.

mobertol 13-09-2011 16:39

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 933163)
Yes.

I know someone who works at a tip and routers are as problem as they dig deep into the skips looking for anything they can sell.Every morning there is a mess to clean up where routers have thrown things out while digging in the skips.

Over 20 yrs ago i worked for a summer on a tip in Liverpool -part of an experiment for the Environmental Advisory Unit of Liverpool Uni. on the reclamation of land and the re-use of landfill sites for growing agricultural crops and vegetables. There were illegal "workers" at the tip every day routing about and in general looking for metals to reclaim, they would set up fires to burn away the plastic from wires etc -they were known as "Totters". They were tollerated generally and the workers at the tip knew most of them, so i don't know if it's the same up at Whiney Hill but i imagine they have a pretty good idea of who the regular visitors are. This may not be the case of course if it's a night-time activity -but surely they must have some security cameras to control access..

flashy 13-09-2011 17:44

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Body found at Whinney Hill land fill site named as Jason Marren, 32



(taken from Accy Observers website)

Less 13-09-2011 19:19

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Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 933273)
In my original post, I did not say I was talking about the man who was found yesterday, just expressed my hope that his family would get to know the truth of whatever has happened to him as in my personal experience that is not always the case.
Ok, I did not use the words 'in my personal experience' so I suppose that was generalising the situation and maybe I should apologise for that, but when something like this happens it brings it all back.
All I know is that, before the experience I had, I would not have believed how many cock ups the police can, in some cases, make & after what I & others have gone through because of their mistakes, I would not wish that on anyone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 933125)
something the police don't always realise or want to be told

Firstly, I am sure the Police want to know everything to do with this case and any other, if however you have a case you think has been mishandled or ignored then contact these folk:-

Independent Police Complaints Commission

They may help you.

garinda 14-09-2011 00:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 933316)
Over 20 yrs ago i worked for a summer on a tip in Liverpool -part of an experiment for the Environmental Advisory Unit of Liverpool Uni. on the reclamation of land and the re-use of landfill sites for growing agricultural crops and vegetables. There were illegal "workers" at the tip every day routing about and in general looking for metals to reclaim, they would set up fires to burn away the plastic from wires etc -they were known as "Totters". They were tollerated generally and the workers at the tip knew most of them, so i don't know if it's the same up at Whiney Hill but i imagine they have a pretty good idea of who the regular visitors are. This may not be the case of course if it's a night-time activity -but surely they must have some security cameras to control access..

I used to love going to the tip with my Dad when I was a child. Rooting for things.

I was so exited when I brought home my brand new wheel chair.

How my friends loved to push me up and down Stanhill Lane.

It was shortly after this I was told I would be allowed a bike after all.

:D

There were always people rooting about on the tip then.

After odd bits and pieces they needed to fettle something.

All for nowt.

flashy 14-09-2011 09:39

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why are peeps not allowed to take things from the tip anymore? surely it would be recycling and less stuff to put into a landfill, you'd think they would be thankful for people taking things away, ok maybe not electricals, but other things

mobertol 14-09-2011 11:19

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Originally Posted by flashy (Post 933506)
why are peeps not allowed to take things from the tip anymore? surely it would be recycling and less stuff to put into a landfill, you'd think they would be thankful for people taking things away, ok maybe not electricals, but other things

It's a very dangerous place to go - lots of really heavy machinery, the possibility of subsidence as it's very unstable is also a reason why they don't want unauthorised people out there.

mobertol 14-09-2011 11:29

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 933455)
I used to love going to the tip with my Dad when I was a child. Rooting for things.

I was so exited when I brought home my brand new wheel chair.

How my friends loved to push me up and down Stanhill Lane.

It was shortly after this I was told I would be allowed a bike after all.

You are so irreverent at times G, I really did work at the tip! I was like Mary, Mary quite contrary -i had vegetable gardens planted on three different sites in Liverpool, I had to monitor growth and harvest the various crops planted and test them for the presence of heavy metals. To keep the Totters from nicking the veg we had to put up skull and cross-bone notices (painted very un-artistically by me!) as many couldn't read and in the end most of the stuff really was poisonous.

I see that the victim up at Whinney Hill has been named and was so young-presumably they'll soon be able to say how he died...if he was there "Totting" it wil be a warning to others to stay clear.

garinda 14-09-2011 12:15

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Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 933523)
You are so irreverent at times G, I really did work at the tip! I was like Mary, Mary quite contrary -i had vegetable gardens planted on three different sites in Liverpool, I had to monitor growth and harvest the various crops planted and test them for the presence of heavy metals. To keep the Totters from nicking the veg we had to put up skull and cross-bone notices (painted very un-artistically by me!) as many couldn't read and in the end most of the stuff really was poisonous.

I see that the victim up at Whinney Hill has been named and was so young-presumably they'll soon be able to say how he died...if he was there "Totting" it wil be a warning to others to stay clear.

...and I really found a wheel chair at the tip, because I was told I was too young for a bike.

I painted it beige, with black dots.

I loved going rooting for treasure, at Church or Stanhill tip.

It's in my blood.

We have a vase by great grandmother found on the tip over the White Ash.

Late C19th, by Booth's, rare pattern, and quite valuable now.

I'll carry on rooting.

Although skips are better places, now the tips are out of bounds.

When I did get a bike my wheel chair ended up as part of the proto-type windmill we had, which powered our lights in the power cuts in the seventies.

Recycling at it's best.

:D

mobertol 14-09-2011 12:23

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 933535)
...and I really found a wheel chair at the tip, because I was told I was too young for a bike.

I painted it beige, with black dots.

I loved going rooting for treasure, at Church or Stanhill tip.

It's in my blood.

We have a vase by great grandmother found on the tip over the White Ash.

Late C19th, by Booth's, rare pattern, and quite valuable now.

I'll carry on rooting.

Although skips are better places, now the tips are out of bounds.

When I did get a bike my wheel chair ended up as part of the proto-type windmill we had, which powered our lights in the power cuts in the seventies.

Recycling at it's best.

:D

COOL! Garinda the pioneering eco-warrior!:D

garinda 14-09-2011 12:32

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Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 933537)
COOL! Garinda the pioneering eco-warrior!:D

The real eco-warrior was Shirley.

My little friend who pushed me up and down Stanhill Lane.

The power behind the throne.

http://www.barricksinsurance.com/smileys/wheelchair.gif

:D

mobertol 14-09-2011 12:42

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 933542)
The real eco-warrior was Shirley.

My little friend who pushed me up and down Stanhill Lane.

The power behind the throne.

http://www.barricksinsurance.com/smileys/wheelchair.gif

:D

Well they do say ...behind every great man.....;)

flashy 14-09-2011 13:19

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I didn't mean actually going onto the tip, i meant taking things from the skips

mobertol 14-09-2011 13:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 933563)
I didn't mean actually going onto the tip, i meant taking things from the skips

Better to stick to eating toast at home I think!:)


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