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gynn 16-09-2011 15:24

Welsh Mine Deaths
 
As I write, three of the four miners missing down the Welsh Mine have been found dead.

A great tragedy for all the families involved, of course. And my condolences go out to them.

I was surprised to hear that, in 2011, there are still people employed to go down mines in the UK. I thought we'd moved on from that sort of thing years ago.

If the owners of the mine can put their hands on their hearts and say that the four men were working in complete accordance with the Health and Safety Act 1974 and subsequent regulations, there is nothing more to be said.

If they can't, they must face the full wrath of the law. And that includes corporate manslaughter.

phil8715 16-09-2011 15:58

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I wouldn't be at all surprised if the 4th miner will be found dead. They didn't really stand a chance.

My heart goes out to the 3 dead miners and their families.

May they RIP.

magpie 16-09-2011 16:03

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condolences to all the miners families.... :

cashman 16-09-2011 16:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 934016)
As I write, three of the four miners missing down the Welsh Mine have been found dead.

A great tragedy for all the families involved, of course. And my condolences go out to them.

I was surprised to hear that, in 2011, there are still people employed to go down mines in the UK. I thought we'd moved on from that sort of thing years ago.

If the owners of the mine can put their hands on their hearts and say that the four men were working in complete accordance with the Health and Safety Act 1974 and subsequent regulations, there is nothing more to be said.

If they can't, they must face the full wrath of the law. And that includes corporate manslaughter.

thats summat ive be wondering since the accident happened, due to fact it was a very small concern only employing 9 miners,or so the report said, its always been a hazardous job,n my sincere condolences to the familys n friends involved.

Balbus 16-09-2011 16:27

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Isn't one of the four the owner of the mine?

lindsay ormerod 16-09-2011 17:15

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No happy ending here, the fourth has just been confirmed as found dead. My condolences to their families.

jaysay 16-09-2011 17:41

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A very sad day for the families concerned RIP

mallard 16-09-2011 19:13

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Yes it,s very sad news

Margaret Pilkington 16-09-2011 20:13

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I feel sad for the families that tonight are without their father/brother/son.
May they rest in peace and may their families find the comfort they need.

JCB 16-09-2011 20:18

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Thanks to the lads we so easily take for granted .

And thanks to their wives , parents , children , brothers , sisters , etc. who always know that this might happen to their own .

gynn 16-09-2011 22:07

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If the deaths of these four miners is to mean anything, the government should put an IMMEDIATE ban on any commercial mine employee going anywhere near a mine until a full certificate of safety has been issued by the Health and Safety Executive.

And if any mine owner says that is not practical, the mine should be forcibly closed forthwith.

I feel a sense of betrayal from the government that in 2011, I'm being asked to grieve for miners killed carrying out a commercial operation to extract "valuable" anthrocite.

That sort of thing belongs in Dickensian times!

odders 17-09-2011 00:13

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Sad times, loving comfort to all concerned:angel:

Margaret Pilkington 17-09-2011 06:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 934096)
If the deaths of these four miners is to mean anything, the government should put an IMMEDIATE ban on any commercial mine employee going anywhere near a mine until a full certificate of safety has been issued by the Health and Safety Executive.

And if any mine owner says that is not practical, the mine should be forcibly closed forthwith.

I feel a sense of betrayal from the government that in 2011, I'm being asked to grieve for miners killed carrying out a commercial operation to extract "valuable" anthrocite.

That sort of thing belongs in Dickensian times!

With the greatest respect, I would suggest that you are not being asked to do anything. If you want to grieve for these men, out of compassion then you will do so....if you feel that you cannot grieve because of any ineptitude of the government, then that is sad.
I feel sympathy for the families and grieve for the men because that is my nature.

Men will do what they have to do to suppport their families.

If there has ben an infringement of the law then I'm sure the HSE will investigate and the person or persons responsible will have to face the consequences of law for these deaths.

flashy 17-09-2011 09:19

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We all of us stand on the edge of the grave, tossed here and there, like a storm beaten wave, we don't know for a second, or scarcely a breath, one hour in life, the next one in death. How often we hear of men losing their lives, leaving in sorrow, their children and wives, but as sure as the tide to eternity rolls, there's sweet rest in heaven, for poor colliery souls



taken from http://www.welshcoalmines.co.uk/htmp...t_Abercarn.htm

cashman 17-09-2011 09:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 934016)

I was surprised to hear that, in 2011, there are still people employed to go down mines in the UK. I thought we'd moved on from that sort of thing years ago

Quote:

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 934096)

I feel a sense of betrayal from the government that in 2011, I'm being asked to grieve for miners killed carrying out a commercial operation to extract "valuable" anthrocite.

no-ones asking yeh to grieve :( but most decent people will feel very sad that working lads lost their lives, n if yer surprised that people still work in mines in the U.K. yer obviously on another planet.:rolleyes:

heth 17-09-2011 09:32

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Sad day for all concerned with these gentlemen, RIP.

cashman 17-09-2011 09:38

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Another thing also if by any chance this was n unsafe by mining standards working, like yeh said Gynn, its 2011, i have no doubt the cause will be uncovered,with investigation, but thats fer another day.

Margaret Pilkington 17-09-2011 13:24

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Has there been any suggestion that the mine was using unsafe practice........I can't recall hearing anything or for that matter reading anything about the safety of the mine........and in any case, if there was such a suggestion, we should wait until investigations have taken place before casting aspersions.
Nothing should detract from the sadness of the community at a time like this.

flashy 17-09-2011 13:28

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i think i heard that it had been closed for a while

Margaret Pilkington 17-09-2011 13:40

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And did it say why it was closed Shaz?
Just thinking that it may have been for economic reasons......I think I have read or maybe heard, that it was only bringing out a small amount of coal each year.
There was nothing about the safety of the mine in the article I read this morning,or the one I read online yesterday.

lindsay ormerod 17-09-2011 13:54

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Gleision Colliery

Some info here as to the history of the colliery.

Margaret Pilkington 17-09-2011 14:53

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Thank you for that information Lindsay.

Margaret Pilkington 17-09-2011 14:57

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Reading the information, it sounds like getting the coal out is a job of hard graft......and in inhospitable conditions too.

The men were doing what men have been doing since caveman times....supporting and providing for their family.

lindsay ormerod 17-09-2011 15:14

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Margaret, that's just what i thought when I read it, hard, dirty graft for little reward. Apparently only 8 employees there and now half of them gone, it's very sad.

Margaret Pilkington 18-09-2011 09:51

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This drift mine changed hands in 2006, with the former owners having gone bust.
The miners were working on an extended bit of the workings...for which they had sought council consent, which had been granted, after much research/recognition of the dangers and with rigorous conditions for the consent, being laid down.
The mine also passed the pit inspection in 2010.

gynn 27-09-2011 23:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 934147)
if yer surprised that people still work in mines in the U.K. yer obviously on another planet.:rolleyes:

Well another miner has died in the UK.

I'm sorry, but I still can't believe that in 2011 its acceptable in the UK for human beings to have to put themselves in danger in this way to make a profit for someone else. It's obscene.

Margaret Pilkington 28-09-2011 07:10

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There are many dangerous occupations that men and women pursue, so that they can put food on the table and keep a roof over their head.
Sometimes it is not the fault of the owners of the mine, but human beings are fallible and sometimes make mistakes.......sometimes they don't follow laid down principles of safety.......they may cut corners in an attempt to make more money in their pay packet.(I am not saying that this is what happened in this case.)
The HSE will, I am sure, be investigating this death....and if it was caused by inappropriate action/ bad practice will make recommendations and may even prosecute.


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