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groove 20-10-2011 13:18

Gadaffi captured
 
Groove beleives Gadaffi has been captured and has heard he has been killed.

lancsdave 20-10-2011 13:26

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Originally Posted by groove (Post 941069)
Groove beleives Gadaffi has been captured and has heard he has been killed.

In Accrington ?

Neil 20-10-2011 14:11

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No in Libya, BBC news link here BBC News - Libyan forces 'capture Gaddafi'

SOme say he is dead and some dont - BBC link again - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15389550

Tealeaf 20-10-2011 14:30

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It's either him or his double.

Greeny 20-10-2011 14:38

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It has been on news but not been confirmed yet.Latest says that Libya have release photos of his body.. Being a doubting Thomas I need to see evidence on news before I believe.

gynn 20-10-2011 14:58

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It's confirmed he's dead, and David Cameron announced it outside No 10.

garinda 20-10-2011 15:40

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A terrible loss.

To the world

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...L1VIaf4rby898Q

...of fashion.

Pudwoppa 20-10-2011 15:40

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Now he'll never be promoted past Colonel :(

Eric 20-10-2011 16:07

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"Nothing in his life/Became him like the leaving it."

cashman 20-10-2011 16:15

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Aint life a bitch.:D:D:D

steve2qec 20-10-2011 17:06

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Just seen it on the news - those Libyans are worse than animals and probably no better (or even worse) than Gadaffi. I'm sickened!

DaveinGermany 20-10-2011 17:21

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So Gadaffi is finally gone ? What will the new regime be like I wonder & have we helped instil another form of dictatorship or a forward thinking new democracy ? I suppose only time will tell, but looking at Iraq I do have some doubts.

Dutchbarge 20-10-2011 17:42

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Arms, explosives and funds to the IRA.
WPC Yvonne Fletcher.
Lockerbie.

Payback time.

jaysay 20-10-2011 17:46

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Well at least they sayed him losing his head on the gallows like Sadman;)

phil8715 20-10-2011 17:58

Bet the IRA won't be too pleased. Who's going to supply them Semtex to kill and maim innocent people on the streets of Northern Ireland and the UK?

I reckon that the next target will be Magabe to complete the set. Sadam-Bin Laden-Gaddafi- Magabe.

At least there won't be an expensive trial at the Hague.

cashman 20-10-2011 18:01

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Originally Posted by steve2qec (Post 941105)
Just seen it on the news - those Libyans are worse than animals and probably no better (or even worse) than Gadaffi. I'm sickened!

Thats right should have give him community service,:rolleyes:

jaysay 20-10-2011 18:25

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 941123)
Thats right should have give him community service,:rolleyes:

Would that have been against his human rights cashy:confused::confused:;):rolleyes:

Tealeaf 20-10-2011 19:45

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I wonder where they'll bung the body? Will they do a Binny & chuck it in the Med? Or will they burn the buggar & scatter the ashes over the southern desert? Surely they can't give it a funeral and turn his resting place into a shrine for the likes of Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and Alex Salmon?

Eric 20-10-2011 20:18

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Just taken another look at the videos .... What a helluva Halloween costume that would make.:D What's the betting that some enterprising guy is making some up as we speak:rolleyes:

MargaretR 20-10-2011 20:25

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I've just seen some gory pictures of him - strange that those are published but those of Bin Laden were deemed too gory:rolleyes:

Tealeaf 20-10-2011 20:35

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Gaddy was finished of with a 9mm pistol; Binny was taken out with an assault weapon with a 'dum dum' bullet which took off half his head as well as the body shots. That's one of the reasons why his piccy's were never shown. Anyway - why do you want to know - presumably another conspiracy theory?

Retlaw 20-10-2011 21:18

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 941163)
Gaddy was finished of with a 9mm pistol; Binny was taken out with an assault weapon with a 'dum dum' bullet which took off half his head as well as the body shots. That's one of the reasons why his piccy's were never shown. Anyway - why do you want to know - presumably another conspiracy theory?

There is no such thing as a dum dum bullet, thats Hollywood fiction.
Dum Dum is an Arsenal in India, where a Captain Clay experimented with hollow nosed .303 bullets.
in was produced in Mk3, 4 & 5, before being outlawed at the Haigh Convention.
All the surplus stock was used on ranges for target practice, some spent bullets have been found on the old Hambledon Ranges at Hapton.

Retlaw.

Margaret Pilkington 21-10-2011 06:04

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I know that this man was a dictator and had done some terrible things in his life, so why do I feel so bad about seeing him being manhandled and having such an undignified,tortured and terrible end?
And why does it sadden me to see people rejoicing at the loss of a mans life?

Today, the news coverage/video footage of this event seems so intrusive.......and while I know the people in Libya will need to see proof that this man has finally been defeated....do we need to see it all over the papers?

odders 21-10-2011 07:10

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Another despot disposed of :mosher:

Who or where next:confused:

Eric 21-10-2011 07:26

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 941194)
I know that this man was a dictator and had done some terrible things in his life, so why do I feel so bad about seeing him being manhandled and having such an undignified,tortured and terrible end?
And why does it sadden me to see people rejoicing at the loss of a mans life?

Today, the news coverage/video footage of this event seems so intrusive.......and while I know the people in Libya will need to see proof that this man has finally been defeated....do we need to see it all over the papers?

Why should anyone feel bad about the corpse, when not too many had any positive feelings for the man when he was alive ... doesn't make too much sense to me. And I really don't see too much undignified about his end. He said he would not run away; that he would die fighting in Libya. And it seems as if that is what he did. I suppose that makes him one of the very few leaders who actually do what they say.:rolleyes:

Tealeaf 21-10-2011 07:32

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 941176)
There is no such thing as a dum dum bullet, thats Hollywood fiction.
Dum Dum is an Arsenal in India, where a Captain Clay experimented with hollow nosed .303 bullets.
in was produced in Mk3, 4 & 5, before being outlawed at the Haigh Convention.
All the surplus stock was used on ranges for target practice, some spent bullets have been found on the old Hambledon Ranges at Hapton.

Retlaw.

Ooops...sorry Retlaw. I was simply using the term in a generic sense to refer to an expanding bullet.

Oh, by the way, it was Captain Bertie-Clay who experimented with both soft point and hollow point nosed variations on the .303 cartridge. I suspect you are also referring to the Hague Convention, not the Haigh Convention (whatever that might be) but may I suggest you also reference the Declaration of St Petersburg which preceded the Hague by a third of a century and renounced the use of such weaponry.

Margaret Pilkington 21-10-2011 08:02

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 941201)
Why should anyone feel bad about the corpse, when not too many had any positive feelings for the man when he was alive ... doesn't make too much sense to me. And I really don't see too much undignified about his end. He said he would not run away; that he would die fighting in Libya. And it seems as if that is what he did. I suppose that makes him one of the very few leaders who actually do what they say.:rolleyes:

I know what you are saying is essentially true, but that doesn't stop me feeling uncomfortable about it........not that he didn't run away....he said he would die in Libya, and so in that respect he got his wish.

But, however you look at it his end was undignified......he was tossed about, and if reports are to be believed he was, if not begging for mercy, asking not to be killed.

Maybe it is my gender/background that makes me feel that his treatment was inhuman.(and yes, I know that what goes around comes around....he had done some very bad things)

Maybe the joyful scenes were not just the rejoicing of the overflow of this despot, but the hope that things can now be different. I hope so too, but I fear that it won't much alter the situation in region.

jaysay 21-10-2011 08:36

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 941163)
Gaddy was finished of with a 9mm pistol; Binny was taken out with an assault weapon with a 'dum dum' bullet which took off half his head as well as the body shots. That's one of the reasons why his piccy's were never shown. Anyway - why do you want to know - presumably another conspiracy theory?

Is he dead or is he not:confused::confused::confused::confused:

jaysay 21-10-2011 08:40

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Just wondering if we will now get answers and conviction of the person who killed policewoman Yvonne Flecture

Eric 21-10-2011 09:05

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 941203)
I know what you are saying is essentially true, but that doesn't stop me feeling uncomfortable about it........not that he didn't run away....he said he would die in Libya, and so in that respect he got his wish.

But, however you look at it his end was undignified......he was tossed about, and if reports are to be believed he was, if not begging for mercy, asking not to be killed.

Maybe it is my gender/background that makes me feel that his treatment was inhuman.(and yes, I know that what goes around comes around....he had done some very bad things)

Maybe the joyful scenes were not just the rejoicing of the overflow of this despot, but the hope that things can now be different. I hope so too, but I fear that it won't much alter the situation in region.

Dictators and despots often meet undignified ends .... there are lots of examples in the historical record, some recent, some not. Not too much dignified about what happened to Richard lll (1485, I believe) ... and poor Cromwell, dug up and hanged ... and Mussolini: upside down from a lamp post.

In a way, I kinda admire the guy ... he was a little weird, but there again Michael Jackson wasn't all that normal either; however, he said he would win or he would die. He had the balls to face what he knew was his inevitable fate. Good for him.:alright:

jaysay 21-10-2011 10:01

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Well I've just been on a newspaper website and they have published some picks of what appears to be his last minutes of life, Um caught in a cross-fire, think somebody is telling some porky pies, I see the UN has ordered an investigation into the manner of his death, which should be interesting

jaysay 21-10-2011 10:10

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 941227)
Well I've just been on a newspaper website and they have published some picks of what appears to be his last minutes of life, Um caught in a cross-fire, think somebody is telling some porky pies, I see the UN has ordered an investigation into the manner of his death, which should be interesting

I didn't put the link to the website because the photos were a bit graphic and not really for the eyes of younger members

cashman 21-10-2011 11:04

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 941227)
Well I've just been on a newspaper website and they have published some picks of what appears to be his last minutes of life, Um caught in a cross-fire, think somebody is telling some porky pies, I see the UN has ordered an investigation into the manner of his death, which should be interesting

Whilst the way of his end,aint exactly "Cricket" it reminds me of the owd saying "Yeh Live By The Sword" - "Die By The Sword" whilst i aint saying its right, its fully understandable how it came to pass,....unless yer a do-gooding numpty.:rolleyes:

groove 21-10-2011 11:38

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Groove also thinks the pics on the front of todays newspapers are a bit too graphic and unsavoury.

phil8715 21-10-2011 11:42

Now Gaddafi has gone, they should re-arrest the Lockerbie bomber and extradite him back to Barlinnie to complete the rest of his sentence.

He is obviously not at deaths door or he would have died by now.

Tealeaf 21-10-2011 11:57

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One item which everyone appears to have missed is that yesterday, the first indication in the House of Commons that the Colonel was captured or dead was raised in a point of order (in an otherwise droll planning debate) by a member of Accy Web.

Yep....step forward, Mr Jones! From the activities of crooked scrap metal merchants to the tyranical murder merchant of Sirte, our boy Graham is going places. Lets just hope come monday, he ignores the dubious dictators of Westminster, follows the overwhelming wishes of his constituents and votes 'Aye' for the EU referendum.

Margaret Pilkington 21-10-2011 12:29

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 941213)
Dictators and despots often meet undignified ends .... there are lots of examples in the historical record, some recent, some not. Not too much dignified about what happened to Richard lll (1485, I believe) ... and poor Cromwell, dug up and hanged ... and Mussolini: upside down from a lamp post.

In a way, I kinda admire the guy ... he was a little weird, but there again Michael Jackson wasn't all that normal either; however, he said he would win or he would die. He had the balls to face what he knew was his inevitable fate. Good for him.:alright:

Yes......I realise that dictators and despots usually get their comeuppance........I just don't really want to see how gruesome men can be to each other. Maybe that is a fault in me....and I'm not saying the news must be sanitised for people like me........tell me about it, but please spare me the gruesome pictures.

Eric, just as an aside....has anybody ever defined what 'normal' is?

steve2qec 21-10-2011 12:58

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...suppose it saves money on an expensive trial.

groove 21-10-2011 13:01

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Groove thinks Elton John should release a song to commemorate this event...."Sandle in the wind".

Taggy 21-10-2011 14:04

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Seems like one savage killed by other savages to me!

Best Regards - Taggy

Margaret Pilkington 21-10-2011 14:09

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Yes Taggy, and isn't it a worry that these savages will be running the country?

groove 21-10-2011 14:26

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Groove agrees with Maggy.P and Taggy on this issue

Taggy 21-10-2011 14:29

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Yes indeed Margaret..........just at least a little glad that people who value life so little arn't in charge of our asylum...well not yet anyway!

Best Regards - Taggy

yerself 21-10-2011 14:32

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Originally Posted by jaysay
I didn't put the link to the website

Admit it, you've been reading The Grauniad.:D:D

Gordon Booth 21-10-2011 15:04

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 941201)
He said he would not run away; that he would die fighting in Libya. And it seems as if that is what he did. I suppose that makes him one of the very few leaders who actually do what they say.:rolleyes:

Not really, Eric. It looks like he was in a convoy trying to escape to Niger until it was caught by French aircraft so dying fighting in Libya or anywhere else wasn't part of his plan. They said part of the convoy with his son in it escaped and carried on, well, someone has to spend all those billions, don't they?

Gordon Booth 21-10-2011 15:09

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Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 941176)
There is no such thing as a dum dum bullet, thats Hollywood fiction.

I think Tealeaf meant a Jacketed Hollow Point(JHP) Retlaw. These are still legal and would cause an aweful mess in a head shot.

mobertol 21-10-2011 15:21

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Had grown rather fond of Gaddafi as a hate-figure - who will take his place? The obvious candidate is the President of Iran (next on the list to be toppled) -he of the unpronounceable name - Mahmud Ahmadinejad (yes, i did cut and paste it!).

Not convinced though after Saddam, Osama and Gaddafi we need someone with a more catchy name...:rolleyes::D

Gordon Booth 21-10-2011 15:26

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Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 941303)
Had grown rather fond of Gaddafi as a hate-figure - who will take his place?
we need someone with a more catchy name...:rolleyes::D

How about cmonstanley or mancie? Or Brown, Blair? No, the last two aren't catchy enough.

Margaret Pilkington 21-10-2011 17:29

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Originally Posted by groove (Post 941284)
Groove agrees with Maggy.P and Taggy on this issue

I am NOT Maggy, or Margo.....I am Margaret. Please will you afford me the courtesy of using my given name. Thank You.

jaysay 21-10-2011 17:48

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 941287)
Admit it, you've been reading The Grauniad.:D:D

Wash your mouth out with soapy water:D

jaysay 21-10-2011 17:50

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 941305)
How about cmonstanley or mancie? Or Brown, Blair? No, the last two aren't catchy enough.

No but the first two are:D

DaveinGermany 21-10-2011 20:01

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 941301)
I think Tealeaf meant a Jacketed Hollow Point(JHP) Retlaw. These are still legal and would cause an aweful mess in a head shot.

Just a further note on the "DumDum"

First World War.com - Encyclopedia - Dum-Dum Bullet

Taggy 21-10-2011 21:12

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Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 941303)
Had grown rather fond of Gaddafi as a hate-figure - who will take his place? The obvious candidate is the President of Iran (next on the list to be toppled) -he of the unpronounceable name - Mahmud Ahmadinejad (yes, i did cut and paste it!).

Not convinced though after Saddam, Osama and Gaddafi we need someone with a more catchy name...:rolleyes::D

How about "Call me Dave"....another dictator in all but name!

Best Regards - Taggy

groove 22-10-2011 13:06

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 941335)
I am NOT Maggy, or Margo.....I am Margaret. Please will you afford me the courtesy of using my given name. Thank You.

Groove apologises Margaret....Groove thinks that Robert Mugabe should be the next tyrant to be disposed of, but as there is no oil in his country thinks this is unlikely.

mobertol 22-10-2011 13:15

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Originally Posted by groove (Post 941559)
Groove apologises Margaret....Groove thinks that Robert Mugabe should be the next tyrant to be disposed of, but as there is no oil in his country thinks this is unlikely.

You could be right there...

The following video of "Dancing politicians" is worth watching -they're ALL in there except Gaddafi for some reason -but towards the end there is a shot of someone scuttling along in a cement tube in the desert rather like the one where he is reputed to have been caught - a premonition of his end perhaps!

Coldplay - Violet Hill (Dancing Politicians) - YouTube

Boeing Guy 22-10-2011 16:14

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Oh I very much doubt Mugabe will be next, there are others in North Africa and the arab states to go yet.

mobertol 22-10-2011 16:15

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 941645)
Oh I very much doubt Mugabe will be next, there are others in North Africa and the arab states to go yet.

Just as long as they have a media friendly name;):D

accyman 23-10-2011 02:46

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quick question...

when an evil dictator is removed do all those here seeking asylum for fear of their lives have to go home now the threat to their life is removed and any present applications under these terms voided ?

garinda 23-10-2011 06:18

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 941714)
quick question...

when an evil dictator is removed do all those here seeking asylum for fear of their lives have to go home now the threat to their life is removed and any present applications under these terms voided ?

No, because they might have pets, who'd miss them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-gate-row.html

;)

jaysay 23-10-2011 08:47

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 941717)
No, because they might have pets, who'd miss them.

Theresa May cat claim: Truth about Tory 'cat-gate' row | Mail Online

;)

Ya and think how much the human rights lawyers would lose, can't be upsetting Ms Booth, after all the hard work put in by her husband creating the gravy train for her and her pals


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