EdM's speech a defining moment
 

I criticised the journalists who wrote down EdMs conference speech as missing the point. A point that Philip Blond did not miss at Tory HQ. in short people are turning away from casino capitalism and a something for nothing culture.

This week Cameron and Co jumped on board to EdMs views about promoting proper companies and not promoting greedy or predator companies. A new economic direction.

PM TO EMBRACE 'MORAL MARKETS'
David Cameron is to stress the need for more "moral markets" in an attempt to avoid political fallout from the ongoing protests outside St Paul's Cathedral. The Prime Minister - borrowing the phrase from a speech that David Miliband would have given had he won the Labour leadership - is looking to reclaim the "responsible business" agenda and Ed Miliband's comments that the Conservatives concentrate on helping the "wealthiest one percent of society". His stance has been echoed by Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt, who told The Times that the Government must look at ways of creating a "kinder, gentler capitalism".
News*|*The Times* Cameron hopes ‘moral markets’ will help to capture protest spirit
Opinion*|*Jeremy Hunt interview*|*The Times*| ‘Sport isn’t just about winning but failing too and fighting back’

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Looks like somebody has lots of time on their hands;)

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Isn't it time that Politicians started to realise that the public are no longer swallowing all these weasel words...its what they do that matters not what they say, Cameron may be saying that, but does anyone honestly think he actually intends to do anything concrete about it? Also what specific actions has Milliband advocated to make this happen? Its just all pee & wind to be honest!

Best Regards - Taggy

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Whats new? Maybe Graham should get out his politics history book and check out the chapter on the 1970's when the Tory leader Heath remarked on the '...unacceptable face of capitalism'. Nowts changed over the last forty years.

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Who is it a defining moment to? :confused: apart from the blind who think the guy is the messiah, many i speak to,don't really give a toss what any of em say.:rolleyes:

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There's not much difference between the political parties and the big retail chains - for ASDA, Tesco and Morrisons, read Tories, labour and Lib-Dems. Both lots are cosy little cartels which have the market sawn up between them and by virtue of their dominance, keep the competition out. Their colours may be distinct and their slogans may differ, but you get ripped off with the same old crap from them all.

Vote UKIP - you know it makes sense.

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To be quite honest Graham I don't think 99% of the public give a monkeys what Miliband and Cameron have to say, but there are those who are interested in what the person who represents us at Westminster is saying and doing on our behalf, which at the moment seems to be very little, if the happenings of late have been anything to go by, its surprising how people can go from hero to zero in no time at all, so if I were you I would refrain from the political platitudes and concentrate on what really matters to the people who use this site, how your actions in London are having effects on there lives, they sure as hell don't give a toss what games the political grandees are up too and even less on what they are whining on about :(

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How very ironic. Politicians having the brass neck to spout forth about morals & obligations. Stones & glass houses spring to mind.

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Son, I was just about to say the very same thing.

It is time that the leaders of all political parties....and MP's too, realised that the electorate have become very disillusioned with the world of politics....a world where they tell us one thing but do something entirely different.....that we no longer have faith in the people who we pay to promote our interests, preferring to pursue their own agendas...line their own pockets....stab democracy in the back.
And to Graham, I am surprised that you have the chutzpah/audacity to post this.

I never thought you would lose touch with your roots and the local electorate so readily....but then, even Jesus was betrayed for 30 pieces of silver.
As MargaretR was astute enough to post....maybe our expectations were just too high.

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Can't claim this particular question is something I'll be losing too much sleep over.

The question everyone's simply clamouring to hear answered is this...

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...g-59650-7.html




Perhaps if you'd do your constituents the honour of answering this Graham, we could come back to this other pressing issue a little later?

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Cashy, remember in times past, when Accy Web was often criticised for being peopled by a load of Labour supporting activists, and any opposition was quickly quashed?

Doesn't time fly?

Shows how things can apparently change so much, in just a few years.

:rolleyes:

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Who the frig's that?

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You'll have to drop all your fancy talk on here, if you want people to listen to you.

It's not some swanky dinner party in Islington.

We're honest to goodness, straight talking, simple folk up here.

You seem to have forgotten.

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It's a simple truism that any elected representative has to be held to account by his or her electorate; that applies to Graham Jones and to Ken Moss and to anyone else in an elected position who posts on here. If Graham's answer and defence is to post this sort of ludicrous garbage then I'm afraid his name will be held in more contempt than it already is.

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I've just had another thought.

Given that there are two hundred and odd Labour MP's and that many of them will be using local forums such as this, I wonder if there has been a directive from Leader Millibands office to the effect that all Labour MP's should post this rubbish this weekend?

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If that's true, let's just hope they're all getting a better reception on the forums they use, than Graham seems to be getting, on here.

:rolleyes:

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Yeh only get what yeh deserve i was taught.;)

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By the way, no need to thank us Graham.

For making active a mind boringly dull thread.

We, at least, are happy to help you.

:)

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"Thank you Conference.

It’s great to be in Liverpool.

Labour Liverpool.

A generation ago a Labour leader came to Conference to condemn the behaviour of a Labour Council in Liverpool.:rolleyes:

Today I come to Liverpool, proud to hold our Conference in this great city.

Proud of the work our Labour council is doing.

Conference, it’s been a busy year for me.

There’s one person I want to thank more than any other.

For her love, her support, for her encouragement.

My wife Justine.

Ask me the three most rewarding things I’ve done this year.

Being at the birth of our second son Sam.

Then getting married.

It is 2011 after all.

And starting to tell Daniel, my older son, the stories my Dad used to tell me.

My kids, Daniel and Sam.

A new generation of Miliband brothers.

I know what you’re thinking.

But just to reassure you.

We’re really hoping they become doctors too.

And of course one other big event happened in my life, one that the media was really interested in:

My nose job.

July 27th.

They called it Ed Nose Day.

In case you wondered listening to me, it was a great success.

I had a deviated septum and it needed repositioning.

Typical Labour leader.

He gets elected and everything moves to the centre."

Great start! Thought this might liven things up a bit...!:rolleyes::D

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"But with such great people, how have we ended up with the problems we face?

It’s because of the way we have chosen to run our country.

Not just for a year or so but for decades.

Now there are hard lessons here for my party which some won’t like.

Some of what happened in the 1980s was right.

It was right to let people buy their council houses.

It was right to cut tax rates of 60, 70, 80 percent.

And it was right to change the rules on the closed shop, on strikes before ballots.

These changes were right, and we were wrong to oppose it at the time.

But while some of it was right, too much of what happened was based on the wrong values.

That’s where New Labour came in.

The rebuilt schools, new hospitals, more police.

The minimum wage, tax credits, the new deal.

Half a million children lifted out of poverty.

Britain with Labour: the only country in Europe where poverty was not going up, but was going down.

My party is proud of that record.

And so am I.

But good times did not mean we had a good economic system.

We changed the fabric of our country but we did not do enough to change the values of our economy. "

Hotting up, this contains just about the only reference to Europe...

For the full speech see following link.

Labour Party Conference: Ed Miliband's speech in full - Telegraph

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What an utter load of cliched, hackneyed, nauseously insincere, third-rate drivel. I've just wasted three minutes of my life reading that...three minutes I'll never get back. :mad:

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Brilliant.

Though being uniquely privilged to know just how very close you were to the political heart of left-wing politics in this country, at one time, I did wonder where what I'd started to read, was going...

Phew.

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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That's Mobertol, by the way.

Not Wynonie.

Oops. Was meant to be a quote.

:D

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Yup.

Definitely a case of get rid of the actor, AND sack the script writer.

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I agree with Steve!
What a load of twaddle.
Yes Labour did change the fabric of society....they socially engineered changes that allowed uncontrolled immigration, a dependency culture, they took us into a war that was illegal and cost the lives of countless young men for no just cause.
They encouraged a live now pay later lifestyle.
They diminshed the value of the family as a social unit......as for lifting children out of poverty, well, that is what they like to believe. They created moral poverty.

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lol!!!!!!!;):D

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Actually i don't agree with attacks on "Old Labour" principles particularily in our "deprived" area, i do actually think basic Labour policies work best for poor folk such as us!.......And even the "New Labour" principles...well at least at the start, were quite honourable!.....Such a shame that once these people come into money though, that they abandon any principles they ever had!

Best Regards - Taggy

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In a nutshell there bud .... a definining moment my ass:rolleyes: ... if it defines anything, it highlights how out of touch modern politicians are; and not only yours, many of ours are just as bad. But to call such "third-rate drivel" a "defining moment" is to cheapen the phrase...maybe both phrases.:D There have been speeches that one can describe with such a term. On a list of the most significant speeches of all time, this one should be placed as an "also ran" after some of the ramblings of Spiro Agnew. Martin Luther King's (sorry, MLK:rolleyes:) "I have a dream" ... Winston Churchill, take your pick; I like the "We shall never surrender" speech ... FDR's "Lend Lease" speech ... even Pope Urban's preaching the First Crusade ... Martin Luther's nailing 95 theocrats:eek: to the door of Wittenberg Cathedral (not a speech, but most certainly a statement) ... even the ads on informercials ... but this garbage!

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Oh, lots agree, after eighteen years of Tory government, the start looked very promising.

Though sadly they were still sweeping up the Things Can Only Get Better champagne bottles on the South Bank, when they began to move away from the ordinary people, and ended up being just as much the out of touch, elitist, arrogant boneheads as the Tories, before 'em.

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I do believe that you have hit the proverbial nail right on the head.:alright:

Circle the wagons men; the natives are getting restless.:rolleyes:

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I agree completely. Even though I'm looking at things from a distance, I do try to keep current with what is going on in the UK ... And this is the way I see it too.

Oh, and a defining moment Canadian style: A letter to Canadians from the Honourable Jack Layton

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Aye. I am afraid, Eric, the noble art of oratory has long since disappeared from mainstream British politics. In its place we have some cut and paste nonsense originally written by some spotted nosed kid in the party central office and posted on websites such as this. Even worse, we get MP's posting on Twitter, offering serious political analysis but is in fact no more than can be read between pages three and four of the Sun newspaper. Still, we do have Prime Ministers Question Time, excerpts of which are now exported and seen throughout the world and which carry the flag of great British comedy alongside Benny hill and Monty Python

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@GrahamJones_MP Graham Jones MP
#eudebate #eu 83 Tory rebels. Whips said over 75 was a disaster. = Tory disaster.

Surely this wouldn't be one of those Tweets?

Made within minutes of the result being announced in parliament, the night a whole load of M.P.'s voted against giving their constituents a democratic right to have a say in their future, in an E.U. referendum?

That night now called Disaster Night, by any non-rebel?

:rolleyes:

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Protests are "danger signals" and reflect the concerns of millions of people, Labour leader EdM has said.

BBC News - Ed Miliband warns of St Paul's protest 'danger signals'

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Indeed ... but, let's not forget the Goon Show:D

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Knowing how all political parties work Tealeaf, not so much a directive from Miliband, but gumph sent out from the research department. I can remember years ago, before the advent of the Internet, that CRD used to send out template letters to be tailored to your own particular area, never used them myself, but I know Labour did exactly the same thing because the same letter appeared in local newspapers from different parts of the country

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Would appear that this thread has backfired on Graham, what started out as a point scoring exersise has gone belly up, maybe thats the reason he hasn't bother to return to the thread since he first started it, ooops Graham:rolleyes:

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Well, Accy Web's always had a reputation as being a place of 'vile and vicous attack' against politicans.

Though it seems some are a bit sorry for themselves now.

Prefering to see themselves as poor, innocent, little victims.

Rather than the same people who once encouraged others, and did it themselves.

What's good for the goose...

:rolleyes:

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I'm too young to have been around for that first time round, but I've heard bits of it over the years. Would I be correct in saying these are some of the main characters and these are some of the comedians now currently playing them:

Bluebottle = David Cameron
Eddie Seagoon = Ed Milliband
Hercules Grytpype-Thynne = Osborne
Eccles = Ed Balls
Minnie Bannister = Theresa May
Count Moriarty = Clegg
Major Bloodnok = William Hague
Henry Crun = Graham Jones

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Ya its funny how the politicos couldn't resist multi posting on the Toilet thread, yet only one has ventured onto the bench thread, :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Who you kiddin'?

You're a hundred and nine!

Profiles don't lie.

:D

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I do. I borrowed the technique from the politicians handbook.

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Well that's honest.

You've no chance mate.

Think of another career path.

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Ya there was a yolk song poverty, poverty knocks, its now honesty honesty knocks, but not very often;)

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Nice ... maybe Graham Jones will be happy to see he is right up there with the big names;):D

Seems, though, that Hyndburn's MP is into "trial balloon politics", looks like this one, a hot air balloon, suffered the same fate as the Hindenburg.:rolleyes:

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Ya it crashed and burnt very spectacularly;)