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Never thought I'd see the day but, hell yes! Backbencher Harriet Baldwin has mooted the idea that child tax credits should be capped at 4 children for familes that have no wage-earner. About time too, I've seen several instances where a families tax credits award is greater than my annual wage! Unless there are exceptional circumstances, eg you had 2 kids and then had a set of triplets I think that's the way forward. Too many kids think that a life on benefits is an acceptable career choice, time for a change!
:eek:

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Yup, as much as it shocks me too, to say it, I agree.

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Spot on linds, also think if the family has no wage earner and are being paid tax credits that are greater than your annual salary they probably be also getting council tax benefit ,housing benefit , jobseekers allowance the list goes on :confused:

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The lucky breeders.

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I remember a few years ago Lindsay, a young child was knocked down and killed in Ossy, she was one child in a family of seven kids, the only thing the feckless father could say was he'd lose the child benefit, this is certainly the way forward

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think linds thread has perhaps drawn summat very ironic out, the first 3 to respond,plus me, probably have socialist leanings? but cos its right we agree wi this torys words, that to me is true democracy, summat me owd mate jaysay has yet to grasp.:rolleyes::D

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Spot on brother:alright:

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Din't know you two were related WM:rolleyes:

Yes it does seem right,
However there are some folk that only seem to have to drop their kecks and she's preggers again!
So long as they are prepared to contribute & not take advantage, I say, welcome to the world junior, may you go on to be another Faraday.

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The thing is cashy I've never heard a socialist put out forward that made sense, if I had I'd probably agreed wi um;):rolleyes::D

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i agree as well but diagree with this The Green Benches: Tory plans to force 50,000 disabled youth to work for companies such as Sainsbury's & Tesco's unpaid. ;)

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Not quite but not far off actually.

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Well of course you do C'mon......But you don't make any comment.
And you agreeing with something Tory...are you not well or something?

The reason you've never heard such a thing is because whenever anyone talks sense, you run around in circles with your fingers in your ears shouting, 'La, La, I don't want to know'.

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I agree with it, but as we all know what politicians say and what they actually do are planets apart

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How very dare you.

Speak to Mancie.

Politically I'm supposedly to the right of Attila the Hun.

:rolleyes:

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Do you get Green Shield stamps?

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More profit fo Sainbury's & Tesco, 50,000 unpaid slaves, could mean 50,000 more being laid off.
BUT if Sainsbury's & Tesco, can find work for those 50,000 slaves, without affecting the existing work force, why have'nt they employed them in the first place.
Retlaw.

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because theyve been making people redundant to fit these people in:eek: tesco redundancies - Google Search only in tory britain thats 350,000 thats been taken off the benefit statistics;)

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See yer telling porkies again.:rolleyes: i quoted yer comment on the "Metal Theft" thread the other day.

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because they are shipped out to private providers who dont show up on official statistics so whats the real figures are they even worse that they are letting on.

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A cruise?

I'll sign up to be a slave, if they get a free cruise.

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For younger readers (anyone under 30):

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If yeh agree ok, but why not start a thread on yer other gripe, instead of deflecting yer agreement,?:rolleyes:

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Should be capped at 2 or maybe 3, contraceptives are free of charge so there's no excuse (although they're not 100% effective) why after 2nd or 3rd child you shouldnt provide fully for the child instead of bleeding government coffers dry. If you're gonna breed'em you feed'em. But one massive loophole that should be closed which would save millions, stop paying child tax credits to parents who's children aren't even living in the UK.

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as i agree with this policy there is no way they could implement this they have sacked half the staff:confused::confused:

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I agree - any change in the law needs civil servants to implement it.
The standard way to avoid that is to pay an enormous sum to some computer software company to design a programme to do it - which has turned out to be an expensive disaster too many times.

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No need Less cuz its never happened, everything Labour ever put their fingers on usually turns to dust AKA the UK economy whenever they're in control;)

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And they don't come much more to the right than that;)

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Na come on where's the link to this drivel was it published in the friday edition of the Morning Star;)

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Ya the NHS and Passport controll, are but two

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.. and the Child Support Agency fiasco was the biggest

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Yer as bad as Graham fer avoiding the issue.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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I'd go further and cap It at two.:)

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agree 100%

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Well they do in China Beni, the only difference in China is if you have more than two they shoot you:D

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And then bill the family for the bullet:D

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That's why they've a thriving economy WM:D they sell a lot of bullets:rolleyes:

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dont need links see it everyday ;)

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What with them red blinkers on, do me a favour:rolleyes:

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What about capping the amount of benefits that can be claiming instead?

Not really thought about the implications of that, it just popped into my tiny mind when I read your comment above.

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Neil that bill is before parliament right now, benefits will not be as we know them now, there all gonna be called universal credits. It's the biggest shake up in welfare reform that's ever happened, and about damn time too.

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lets hope not the biggest cock up and dont forget the biggest outsourcing will b e the private firm who make the decision if your eligable for a sick note;) BBC News - GPs should 'not sign off long-term sick' the decisions have already been made Universal credit - Disability Alliance Factsheet F55 and i wonder what firm will get the contract.

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first hand ;)

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Gotta say its a ridiculous state of affairs, if they take that away from the docs,then the only people qualified to make that descision,should be "Specialists" in whatever field is relevant, i'm all fer nailing the dodgers, but genuine people are already suffering now, but they omit to tell yeh that, in fact we had that very discussion this afternoon.:mad:

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wonder how many deaths this will be responsible for by forcing people back to work with mental health issues.first it was care in the community now its care in the work place:

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Do you know what the general idea of it will be?

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Thought you'd be applauding that.

All those jobs being created.

Millions unemployed etc.

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Hasn't that been a success?

We've welcomed you to our communal bosom.

Loooked after, and cared for you.

Made sure you've come to no harm.

Warned you to stay safely at a distance, when the dog stabbers have been wandering our streets.

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Think its in the pipeline Neil, £500 a week, the point being that it adds up to £25,000 per annum, there are people going out to work to keep their families not get £25,000 a year, so why should people who are not going out to work be better off

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In fact is, according to most doctors they are in agreement, a doctor on TV this morning said she was sued because she wanted a patient to return to work and they didn't want too

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Having read about the tax credits side of it at work, the tax credit part will close loopholes for fraud (hopefully), instead of as it is now telling HMRC how much you are going to earn for the coming year, they are going to be liasing with your employer on a monthly basis, so if your wages alter each month (either up or down) then your tax credits for that month will compensate. Basically as it says below they want people to work instead of having a welfare based state, and in theory take more children out of poverty. JSA & IS pay the same amount of money so there wont be any real changes there I dont think. ESA will be all about as it is now to try & get people back to work, the old ethos of I cant do that, I used to work as ... doesn't work anymore, its not what you cant do anymore but what you can do. I dont know whats going to happen to DLA, or carers allowance that I will have to read up on. But housing benefit & I think also council tax benefit will also come under the heading of universal credits.

Principles for reform

1. We would propose to use a set of principles to guide reform. They could be to:

• ensure that people can see that the clear rewards from taking all types of work outweigh the risks;
• further incentivise and encourage households and families to move into work and to increase the amount of work they do, by improving the rewards from work at low earnings, and helping them keep more of their earnings as they work harder;
• increase fairness between different groups of benefit recipients and between recipients and the taxpayer;
• continue to support those most in need and reduce the numbers of workless households and children in poverty and ensure that interactions with other systems of support for basic needs are considered;
• promote responsibility and positive behaviour, doing more to reward saving, strengthening the family and, in tandem with improving incentives, reinforcing conditionality;
• automate processes and maximise self service, to reduce the scope for fraud, error and overpayments. This could include a responsive and immediate service that saves the taxpayer significant amounts of money and ensures compliance costs for employers, at worst, no worse than under the current system; and
• ensure that the benefits and Tax Credits system is affordable in the short and longer term.

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what to give money to private equity firms that cost twice as much it does for civil servants do the same thing isnt saving money.its not creating jobs these jobs were already there but they are doin it on the cheap by being subsidized by the government so they can make ore money that doesnt make sense,that doesnt save money:confused:they are just fiddling the books because it doesnt come up as public spending.

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all words how can they do self service wwithout fraud :confused:this means no civil servants just do it online which is the same old tory way say one thing and do the opposite

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so thats a good reason why a specialist in a field should make the decision,not a panel.

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You do talk a load of bollocks the civil service is and always has been top heave, if they had to run anything in the private sector they'd go bankrupt in 6 months

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Well they will be specialist cashy, specialist in eking out scroungers;)

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wrong again it is more expensive to pay the private sector who give a poor service and are subsidized with extra money to let them make a profit.its the railways all over again;)

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Well if yer daft enough to think that, me family know different.:(

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yep wrong again as 200,000 civil servants this year alone have lost there jobs

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1,000,000 were created under the last government at a time when computers were taking the strain out of business, was a bit like if they work for us they'll vote for use, but maybe that's why the country is close on £1 trillion in debt thanks to Labours totally reckless waste of cash:mad::mad:

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Thing is a hell of a lot of the 200,000 that have been laid off were temporary staff, so not an accurate indication of how many have truly been laid off

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thats this year most of the fta were paid off last year;)

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i think your way off the mark ;)

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No sunshine its you thats always way of the mark

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Capita deals with £3.3bn of government spending as more work is outsourced | Politics | The Guardian ;)

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No they weren't, they were laid off this year not last, I should know & if I'm right in thinking I know who you are, you know most fta's were laid off this year.

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up here iast year ;) with police ,passport office,borders agency, coastguards ,council workers etc but good news the home office and tax office are recruiting;)

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Only a link this time not even a word of comment...lazy posting.
Surely you could have put something like 'nasty tories'......you usually do.

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You have to realise Margaret that he has Pole Dance Polly has his preferred bedtime reading

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I think G has got it right with his post.

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Ya he's never far off the mark is our Rindi:)

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as the u turns keep coming the song goes they dont know what theyre doing

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Now there is normally a link to some banner sensationalist headline........so where is it?
What U turn?

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Told you cmoneileen was really a Tory plant, on a mission to bore us all into submisssion.

Forget fake Marxism, he's more an ardent Maggist.

Margaret Thatcher 'the Lady's not for turning' - YouTube

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And your point is what exactly? If councils can't look after business it gets outsourced. Not rocket science really.

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Hooray for Lindsay.....he might just take notice of you.
He thinks I am a tory supporter, rather than just someone who likes a direct and common sense approach.

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Think the dog incident had a detrimental effect on him Linds,have to make allowances.:D

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Well your right Lindsay, but C'Mon has no sense anyway and can't really grasp reality

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what outsourced to reputable companies paying their employees decent wages ,

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Have you had a full frontal lobotomy, you talk so much rubbish

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here david cameron the pension robber ;) Robert Maxwell Daily Mirror advert - YouTube

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Reading Daily Mirror is enough for me

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i remember in the eighties there was an outcry now its the norm:confused:

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I remember when they used to teach kids to start a sentence with a capital letter, looks like some fell on stony ground;)