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Historians Claim New Research Shows Oswald Acted Alone In JFK Assassination | Fox News

Historian Max Holland led a tam who applied new digital technology to old films take at the time, including the famous Zapruder Film and came to the conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin who killed JFK. Looks like that's one conspiracy theory put to bed then:rolleyes:;)

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That conclusion is as daft as a conspiricy one to me.:rolleyes:

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Historian Max Holland writes articles regularly for the CIA 'in house' magazine:rolleyes:

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But he may still be telling the truth..

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Unless any one of you knows any thing about fire arms, I suggest you treat it as Bull Shine, Le Harvey Oswald is supposed th have used the 6.5m Carcano Rifle, that weapon was a pile of crap, he would have been lucky to have hit the car Kennedy was in, never mind his head, those Carcano's rifles were bloody awful to use, & dammed inacurate, bloke I knew up Diggle Range had one. He soon got rid of it,
Retlaw

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Agree with this completely ... Buddy of mine in Saskatchewan had one for a while .... he got it from a Montreal outfit called "Interarm", years ago. They specialized in selling refurbished army surplus rifles with sporting stocks for use as hunting rifles ... what a piece of garbage that gun was ... I doubt Oswald could have hit JFK's car even if he had been sitting in it. You couldn't get the damn thing sighted in. I think he tossed it.

I got a Lee Enfield:alright: from the same outfit .... only thing changed apart from the stock were the sights ... great hunting rifle: accurate and reliable. Still have it.

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I liked the MkIII SMLE as the best of the miltary .303's, but for accuracy & consistency the P14 in .303 was better, I got two in the 1950's thro the Rifle Club for 4 quid each, one of them I rebarreled to .308 Winchester, reloaded my own ammo, 180 grain Lapua in front of 42 1/2 grains of R.P. number 2, won the club championship 5 years on the trot with that rifle.

Retlaw.

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Actually lister ,rimmer and kryton caused the death of kenedy.

It was all explained in a documentary called Red Dwarf on BBC2 a few years back .

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I still have a Winchester Model 70 .308 ... it's a nice light, bolt action gun ... great for carrying around in the bush ... But I don't load my own rifle ammo (although I do load shotgun shells).

Once owned a 22-250 model 70 ... illegal for big game, (has to be over .22 in Canada), but a great varmint gun if you have a problem with coyote, fox, or skunk ... or an American President you don't happen to like.:rolleyes:

Still ... I think that Oswald had more chance of winning the lottery than of hitting a moving target (or even a stationary barn) with that Italian junk ... even though it had never been fired and only dropped once before he got it:D

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This kind of tells us nothing really, & doesn't explain what was going on around the "grassy Knoll" either! I still think Oswald was a Patsy!

Best Regards - Taggy

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Like i said initially Taggy,its about as credible as a conspiracy theory.:rolleyes:

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Wasn't that the rifle used by US Sniper/scout teams during Vietnam ? By all accounts a reliable & accurate weapon.

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The British long range snipers adopted the .338 calibre some while ago, the yanks have also been usiing a .50 based on the .50 Browning M.G. round.
They make one hell of a mess of terrorists, even if they try to hide behind a wall, any thing up to a mile away.
Now thats one I'd like to have a go with, even with a muzzle brake, it must have a eck of a recoil.
That calibre holds a record at 1000 yards grouping 5 shots in under 3 inches, using hand loaded ammo.

Retlaw

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The actual assassin that fateful day was one Diana Vreeland of the fashion police, hired by Madame Gabrielle 'Coco' Chanel, and her intended target was the First Lady, Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy. The President was an innocent bystander.

Mrs. Kennedy's rasberry pink suit was made in 1961 by the New York dress salon, Chez Ninon. It was a copy of a Chanel a pink boucle wool suit trimmed with a navy blue collar.

Vreeland's cover was that she was supposedly reporting the day's event for Harper's Bazaar, from a lawned hillock, which provided a clear view of the route the Presidential cavalcade would take.

Vreeland's capri pants, taken to a Chinese laundry in the Upper East Side, New York city, November 23rd, 1963.

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Beware of fakes.

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Na Taggy he was called Lee:D

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Was aware of that Walter & while I was working with both the Jock Guards & the Yorks I was allowed a skeg at their Sniper gear, pretty impressive & as it stands it's a British Soldier who's top of the latest Sniping table using the L115A3. I believe they've also got the AX50.

L115A3 Long Range Rifle - British Army Website
The best .338 sniper rifle in the world

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I did'nt know Malcom had set up that firm, Accuracy International. I thought he was the British Pistol Champion. Where's his test range. The nearest 1100 yard range to Plymouth that I know of is at Bisley.
Retlaw.

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As far as I know that is the testing range for such weapons, but then when the guys get the kit in the field it opens up a whole lot more options for trialling.

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And don't forget Rob Furlong and Aaron Perry, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry who arer number 2 and number 3 on the list ... Both used the LRSW 50 calibre. Way to go Brits and Canucks:alright:

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Wit improves with subtlety;):D

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Diana Vreeland was actually brought in to advise Jackie, on style and her clothes, and introduced her to Oleg Cassini, who mainly designed her wardrobe, for the time she was First Lady.

Wearing fake Chanel was asking for trouble, that fateful day in Dallas.

The President took the bullet, for her fashion crime.

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Mrs. Kennedy Onassis hadn't been seen in public for eight months, until she threw a party in New York city, on 22nd August, 1989.

Diana Vreeland, doyenne of American fashion, passed away peacefully at her New York apartment, 22nd August, 1989.

She left instruction that her funeral would be held at St. Patrick's Catherdral, and she was to be interred wearing a navy Chanel jacket, and her white capri pants.

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Aye I know Eric, I saw their footage & I'm sure I posted a link about it on here some time back. Classic Marksmanship.

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I will be interested to see the results of this cover up when they are released(long after anyone involved is dead)....think its plain to see it was a CIA assassination.

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Disagree, could have been C.I.A./ Mob/ Lone Nutter/ even the Ruskies, never really know in our lifetime,owt else is speculation.

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what a load of utter tosh,the laws of physics states that when an object is hit from a forward motion it causes the said object to recoil backwards,also it has been proved that there were at least 4 shots fired that day,one hit the kerbstone in front of james teage and the splinter cut his cheek,2nd one hit jfk in the throat area,entry wound in the back, 3rd shot shattered governer connellys wrist,and the final 4th shot entered jfk,s temperal lobe front left hand side,at least 1 shot missed the car,see jfk,s reaction to sound of shot in film shot by other bystander just as car turns on to elm street,LHO was a patsy who was set up from day 1, the assassination was a covert operation between the CIA, MAFIA and LBJ who hated JFK and could,nt wait to get the number 1 job,LHO was involved to some extent,he ws given the job in the texas school depository by a friend of sam gionella,whose girlfriend JFK was bonking,also at least 3 witnesses saw LHO down in the restroom by the vending machine 30 seconds sfter JFK was shot,not out of breath or sweating as he would have done if he had run down 4 flights of stairs, and yes this is my hobby and subject for the last 30 years,and i hope one day they will prove that LHO did not shoot JFK or it may have to wait till the LBJ private papers are released 100 years after his death,also jack ruby stated that the truth will never be known,he convieniently died of cancer,after repeatedly asking to be moved to washington to testify RIP JFK

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Entirely agree. LHO was indeed the patsy, killed whilst the public were crying out for a culprit. Very convenient.

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There are so many 'who done it' theories that it is difficult to choose which to believe.

Some theories appear so outlandish that their only purpose seems to add confusion.
eg - I recently read one where 'Jackie did it' - a small pistol in her handbag - that is the most incredible one I've seen.

As Cashy said - it is unlikely we will ever find out the truth, but the official version (Warren enquiry) has more holes in it than any rabbit warren.

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The Oliver Stone film JFK goes a long way to show the absurdity of LHO being capable of being the culprit.

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I once saw a documentary about Lyndon B Johnson.
He was one nasty piece of work! I wouldn't put it past him having something to do with it.

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Coco capitalised on the "mistake" and forgave Jacqui her heinous crime when she helped Maison Chanel launch a whole new line in widows weeds....

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The law of physics may state that, but explain why when watching news reel film of the battle of the Somme, the men being shot at from the German front line, all fall forward towards the direction the bullets came from, or just crumple on the spot.
Holiwood may portray them being flung across the room when shot, but that doesn't happen in real life
I think the law your workin on refers to solid objects.
Retlaw.

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You are right Walter , when hit by a bullet most just drop straight down. The body takes the impact and the tissues hit will recoil, but the size of a bullet is not great enough to move the whole body back even though it's speed is very high. Now if someone was hit by a larger missile....a cannon ball for example, which did not explode, then I imagine there would be some backward movement!

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Doesnt the footage of JFK show his head sway one way then the other? Apparently due to him being in a triangulatory position from 3 shooters. Although im no expert and am only going off whats out there in mainstream media. For example the magic bullet that ricocheted through JFK's body and was found in pristine condition on his strecher in hospital.

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I watched a film that showed how the zapruder film had been doctored.
The background spectators were looking in the wrong direction and they were out of proportion with the foreground motorcade.
The conclusion was - a crucial bit had been edited out.

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The" knockback" effect of gunshots popularized in television and movies, and commonly referred to as stopping power by novice or uneducated proponents of large powerful calibers such as .44 Magnum, the effect of knockback from a handgun and indeed most personal weapons is largely a myth. The momentum of the so-called "manstopper" .45 ACP bullet is approximately that of a 1 pound (0.45 kg) mass dropped from a height of 11.4 feet (3.5 m). Such a force is simply incapable of arresting a running target's forward momentum. In addition, bullets are designed to penetrate instead of strike a blunt force blow, because, in penetrating, more severe tissue damage is done. A bullet with sufficient energy to knock down an assailant, such as a high-speed rifle bullet, would be more likely to instead pass straight through, while not transferring the full energy (in fact only a very small percentage of the full energy) of the bullet to the victim.
The "knockback" effect is however commonly "seen" in real-life shootings, and can be explained by physiological and psychological means. Humans encountering a physical hit, be it a punch or a bullet, are conditioned to absorb the blow by moving in the same direction as the force. The physical effect against a non-penetrating weapon is to reduce the force felt by the blow, and in addition, retreating from an attack increases the distance such an attack must cover, which in the case of non-projectile weapons such as fists or a knife, places the target out of range of further attack. In addition, there is a theoretical sociological explanation, that in modern civilization, with far greater separation by most individuals from violence, hunting, and combat, normal individuals may simply recoil, buckle, or fall backward when hit by a bullet, even when in pure physiological terms they are perfectly capable of continuing to charge.
Although knockback is not possible with a handgun bullet, it can be an actual effect occurring in reaction to being hit by a massive slug, such as a rubber bullet or sandbag fired from a shotgun. The dynamics of a slug round are quite different than penetrating bullets; the projectile is here designed not to penetrate but instead to strike a hard, blunt force blow, and as the momentum carried by a shotgun cartridge is greater than practically any production handgun cartridge, the force imparted is comparable to a hard punch and is capable, by physics, of affecting a person's forward motion. In any case, due to conservation of momentum, the gun's recoil is always larger than the bullet's knockback, as some momentum of the bullet is lost during flight, and if the bullet penetrates through the target it will not have imparted all its momentum into the target.So all in all its about velocity at which the round is travelling which increases with calibre ie snipers rifles , hunting rifles.

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Whew -that was a long complicated post! Are you a weapons expert....

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Not quite, but have got a firearms cert and have done a fair bit of shooting in my time and yes it was a complicated post and about half way through thought bloody hell why did i start this:D

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Happens to me all the time, particularly after a few tokes;):D

But, I think that Retlaw's first post dealt with the lone assassin thing sufficiently .... imagine if it were a game of "Clue" .... the answer: "It was Lee Harvey Oswald, in the Texas Book Depository with a piece of junk Italian rifle" will never be the winning answer.

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Always loved the Bill Hicks joke:-

You know I went to visit the Kennedy assassination museum and they got it so perfect and accurate to every little detail. I was amazed how accurate it is, because you can look at the window and Oswald ain't in it.

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Sorry to be thick Eric-you used this in a PM too -what exactly is a Toke -is it Canada-speak?

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yeh musta led a pretty sheltered life Di.:D

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He's having a few drops of the hard stuff, in other words he's kettled.
Retlaw.

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Mobertol - I think in Italian it's 'canapa'

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Here you go ....

BREWER AND SHIPLEY- " ONE TOKE OVER THE LINE " - YouTube

Now all you need are some Cheech and Chong videos .... ;):D

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Ay ... like me and thee;):D

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Thanx hon, I'll add that to my phrase book.;):D

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Hemp? Now what would you do with that Eric....are you into natural fibres and dress-making...;):D

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it amazing how many witnessess to the shooting and also seeing people behind the grassy knoll have been killed or died in misterious circumstances