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Where's the line for Comedians
Nobody likes a laugh more than myself, but where should the line be drawn. A "Top Line Comedian" has again been blasted for telling tasteless jokes, the same comic that has done it on other occasions, he's the one who thought it funny that the was a bright side to having troops losing limbs, a great para-Olympic team and the other week thought it funny to make a gag about the motorway pill up that killed quite a few people. His latest effort was about Sunshine coaches and all the kids that use them look the same. That comedian is Jimmy Carr, when these saw called comedians have to stoop so low to get a laugh its time to jack it in, I wouldn't care but I don't think he's funny anyway:mad:
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I think these modern comics, I use that loosely, just do it to garner attention. Just look at Ricky Gervais, one of the most inept people on the planet, don't get me started on rosy and brand.....
Why not give Jasper Carrott, Smith and Jones, , Rowan Atkinson, John Cleese etc a new tv series. And to think Bernard Manning was un PC ... |
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Modern comedians are so unfunny.
I cannot stand Keith Lemon. Himself watches his Celebrity Juice program and as soon as it comes on I leave the room. I find his humour coarse and tastless. Just the kind of thing that 12 year olds find amusing. Jimmy Carr......he should go and play in the road with the heavy traffic......that boyle fellow too......crass and tastless. The only one I can bear to watch is John Bishop. |
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I have been a fan of Bish, well before he was big, seen him twice in Blackburn, shame he is not going there on his next tour, but goodness me he is funny.
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so after all these years of telling jokes about children been raped by priests etc the final straw was a joke about a crash ?
people who hire him , go to see him know what to expect but i guess some people only go to see him so they can run back and alert everyone that a bad man is telling naughty jokes or somones hired him knowing they will get some publicity from his jokes. iv told worse jokes down the pub and iv certainly recieved worse via text or email. bad taste - yes funny - depends on the person hearing it. should he be stopped - No just because some folk dont like what they hear they shoud simply avoid him and leave his shows to the people who do ;) All i know is that if i was easily offended or was hosting a show for the easily offended i woudlnt hire or go to see jimmy carr :D |
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Wasn't the joke about a downs syndrome child?
Can you imagine having a down's syndrome child...the disruption to your life......the health worries, the learning difficulties??? Making a joke about something like that is crass. I worked in the NHS for many years and Nurses and Doctors are notoriuous for their black humour, but only among ourselves. I would not pay to see these moronic stand up comics. Bernard Manning was slated because he talked about Non PC things in his act...people decided they didn't want to listen to homophobic nonsense, but Down's and disabled children is fair game? Not in my book it isn't. |
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Styles in humour change as society changes.
Sick humour reflects a 'sick society'. I don't find it amusing either. I recently got into the habit of listening to Radio 4Extra, which re-airs old comedy shows, such as The Goon Show and Take it from Here. In their day I thought them hilarious - now they seem corny |
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Two years ago I went to see Marcus Brigstocke live. He was on stage for over two hours and was... well, just funny. There are so many comedians about that some of them are bound to get on your tits. I like Boeing Guy's description of Ricky Gervais as one of the most inept people on the planet and I don't think anyone on these threads has said they find him funny. Others I can't stand are Russell Brand, Alan Carr, Jimmy Carr, Michael Mcintyre (if only for that irritating voice). Paul Merton is another turnoff.
I do like Dara O'Briain, Andy Parsons, Russell Howard, from which you will gather I am a Mock the Week fan, and yes, I also liked Frankie Boyle on that show. It's a matter of personal taste though I do agree that certain subjects are best avoided. |
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have to say i don't find him funny nor do i find most modern comedians funny, however i can at times have a very dark sense of humour and find humour in the worst of possible situations. i haven't heard the jokes in question so can't comment on them but i'm sure i've heard worse from mates.
don't forget, it wasn't that long ago that it was acceptable to take the mick out of race and colour. |
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Must agree i find most modern comics totally rubbish. I was never a fan of Chubby Brown who people found funny because he swore. But as someone said-if your easily offended dont go. John Bishop is one of the few i like.
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I know that comedy can sometimes take the sting out of a situation, but it has to be very carefully worked........and I think that to a great extent you have to know your target audience. Sometimes you will go to a show thinking that you cannot be shocked, feeling pretty broad minded......but the callous and cruel way that the joke is portrayed maybe what stops you in your tracks.....and just because everyone is laughing and no-one walks out...does not mean that people were not offended. |
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true enough, as i say i dont go in for most of the modern comedians as i do not find thrm funny. apart from a select few and i have never been one for manning or chubby brown either. i'm not offended by them they just aren't to my taste.
as i say,i cant comment on the jokes in question as i haven't heard them |
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in fact on accyweb it's still acceptable to take the mick out of us welsh http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/us...heepsmiley.gif |
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I said my piece on a smilar subject, in this thread.
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ght-28885.html Margaret P. mentioned those working in the health service as having a black humour. Some people laugh at things they're not supposed to, as a release. It's human nature. A coping mechanism, for some, so they don't cry, at the cruelty life can inflict. |
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Don't know the commedians you refer too for the most part so can't comment on individuals... |
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It isn't done with malice. It diffuses the situation, and affords me a little breathing space, in my hidey-hole. http://freeemoticonsandsmileys.com/3...ys/stalker.gif :D |
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As for Drama Queen i thought we'd established you were the undisputed King in that department....... :D You did forget one -she is very irate and will soon be on your case. :rolleyes: |
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Nothing to do with the thread but mobertol,s avatar pic is gorgeous hubba hubba:dflam::dflam:
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(By the way John the day i met you I had my serious "kick-ass" Timberland boots on for going up to the Lakes- will wear them next time I'm over and am going to visit that cute Li'l Boy Blue....;):D) My avatars always reflect the way I'm feeling day by day, that's the fun in changing them and the signature....it's an interesting game.:) Watch and keep guessing... To keep on thread -this is all a commedy...(pathetic attempt...) |
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Oh ... and to answer the question, there is no line ... if there were, it would be censorship. What's worse, someone telling you what is, or what is not funny ... or some joke you can choose to listen to or not. I remember some Danish cartoons a couple of years back .... :rolleyes:
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Do they all sit in a big room somewhere, watching live news streams, fingers poised on their keyboards? Oh no! I'm a conspiracy theorist. :eek: |
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Jimmy Carr says there are no taboo subjects.........I have to admit that I don't watch him because I find his humour inane, juvenile, and er....humourless.....but I am pretty sure he doesn't joke about Jews or Muslims....maybe because there would be the kind of backlash that he doesn't need, and these groups of people are stronger.......he prefers to joke about disabled children.
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Best Regards - Taggy |
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There certainly is a line and it was most definitely crossed by Carr on this occasion. As Margaret pointed out, had he made a joke about muslims or the holocaust etc he would have been castigated by mainstream media. It seems some P.C causes are more trendy than others. How disabled children can be mocked whilst a whole religion can be protected is beyond me. I think if i would be more offended by the Downs Syndrome gag than any about my colour etc. It seems that certain minority groups are'nt worthy of P.C protection purely because there are'nt as many of them to upset and lose their votes, thats why its political.
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I've read this thread a few times. My son has downs syndrome and over the years we have been used to the stares and the 'kind' generalised comments people make. Luckily for him I'm sure frankie boyle's 'joke' would by-pass him completely. It only hurt us as parents but we just take the view that in life there will always be these kind of people and we are better than that.
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I like a laugh as much as most people but can't understand the inversion there seems to have been from knocking the big institutions to focussing on the more vulnerable in society.
The first real "modern" commedian for me was Dave Allen - back in the 70's- simple recogniseable style and a laid back delivery - he represented the average man on the street. He was a religious skeptic or "what you might call a practising atheist" (his own words) Religion became an important subject for his humour, especially the Roman Catholic Church and the Church of England, generally mocking church customs and rituals rather than beliefs. He said that power and the hierarchy of everything in life was what bothered him. People, whoever they might be, whether from the government, the police, nuns and priests or just the anonymous the man on the door .... He was a true cynic and that to me is what real commedy is about.... "Goodnight, thank you, and may your God go with you". :rolleyes::D |
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MY KIND OF HUMOUR... |
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And it wasn't a joke as such where Jimmy Carr made fun of Down's children, it was a sort of comment, a remark. Which says a lot about the ethics of the man. If he thought that waht he said was funny, then he has a very sick sense of humour, no ethics and no moral compass. |
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I really like that Grannyclaret. |
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And yes, you are better than him because he has no humanity. |
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The negative image of late, portrayed of Disabled people in the media does not help & people such as Carr & Gervais think they have Carte Blanche to say anything they want...unless as i say its about Race! Best Regards - Taggy |
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Humour comes in many shapes & forms & what appeals to one person may well be offensive to another, that's the nature of the beast. As to censoring it, it can't work as it's horses for courses because when alls said & done these people are trying to earn a living in their own way the same as everyone else.
Admittedly some things are nearer to the bone than others & if a particular comic is known for their abrasive style & is likely to offend your personal sensibilities switch off or over, that's really all that can be done. We all complain loudly enough when we feel we've been subjected to attacks & infringements on our personal liberties because of views or comments we may make, should our detractors be sanctioned & censored for their opinions too ? As with all things there has to be give & take, the World isn't perfect so we've got to get along as best we can. For the record, I don't really like Jimmy Carrs material, but occasionally he'll cause me to grin. |
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i am by no means in agreement with mocking vulnerable and disabled people, however where do you draw the line. I remember a very funny story told by jim davidson where at a disabled soldiers reunion one disabled squaddie walks up to
simon weston and says ' ullo simon, we was only talking about you the other day.......... was your ears burning again? very dark,totally un pc and in bad taste yet bloody hilarious and a true story |
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I think most of what I would have said on this topic has been said..Jimmy Carr should be banned from television, and public theatres ,since his kind of comedy is NOT comedy..As for crossing the line,well , he's over it by a mile. Get shut, and give John Bishop the air time, he is a funny man no probs....
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i agree to a point as i said i do not agree with taking the proverbial out of vulnerable people however should all disability be a taboo?also in the previous example simon weston was known by the guy however standup comedians do not have that luxury with their audiences i have seen stand ups take the mick out of disabled people in the audiece and the disabled people have loved it as they have felt included simply because has gone against the 'oh no mustn't take the mick out of him cause he's in a wheelchair' kind of thinking as i said before i don't know what the joke in question was so i can't comment and personally i think jimmy carr is a waste of airtime purely cos he aint funny or entertaining in any way, im a fan of qi but i will not watch it if he's on it
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Three jokes, originally written and performed by John Bishop. John Bishop: "Being an England supporter is like being the over-optimistic parents of the fat kid on sports day." (From top ten jokes from the Fringe, 2010.) John Bishop: My son always misbehaved and there was nothing I could do about it. So I asked an expert and she said the next time he has a tantrum don't get angry, just splash him with some water. I though this was weird but I tried it anyway. However it just made him worse. He just screamed even more. I should probably not use the kettle next time... Sickipedia Search Results - Bishop John Bishop: How does Stephen Hawking know he has won a prize? There's a ramp. Sickipedia - How does Stephe... :rolleyes: |
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just to be clear, we can't take the mick out of man utd. fans then :D |
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I think any humour can be cruel, but it depends on the context, of who says it, where it's said, and to whom.
The only thing I ever struggle to remember is jokes. I'm just trying to think of a joke that doesn't ask the listener to laugh at some target. Are there any? Because we create taboos, about certain things that are off limits, people will still make jokes about them, and some people will laugh, mainly because of nerves, that a taboo subject has even been touched upon. I don't think you can ban certain subjects, though of course you can limit the audience. I once heckled someone at a comedy club in London, at a joke I found offensive, whilst I was sat right in the front row. My heckle was way funnier than his act, and also got a bigger laugh, than he'd been getting up until then. He totally lost it, and left the stage, without saying another word. Result. People will continue to joke about things some will find offensive. People should be free to complain about them, if they do. |
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You're so not funny. Run along now. You've rams that need milking. After you've finished worrying the sheep, with their life coaching lessons. :D |
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i find that highly offensive and feel you should be banned forthwith :p |
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but is it not worse to offend someone who understands the fact they are being offended, surely someone is unaware or unable to understand the joke, by sheer logic is therefore not offended. only the people who understand the joke are offended and as they are not the subject of the joke should not be offended as they are only assuming that the person the joke is aimed at is offended by it. which is worse? in my experience someone making assumptions as to the way you think or feel and voicing that point without your input is just as offensive. However as the people in question can not actually voice their opinion we will never know whether it is offensive to them or not. at the end of the day i have already said that i don't particularly agree with it but there are two sides to every coin. and there are some people that believe that all publicity is good publicity and there being controversial is guaranteed to get you noticed hence guaranteed publicity. i've just read the comments and personally i've heard a lot worse, although i still don't find him or his jokes/comments funny |
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while i most definately feel for your son and of course yourself. no-one deserves to suffer in that way you have to admit he is only 1 example of the thousands of people in the same position. it is the same as saying that because 1 irishman is offended by a paddy murphy joke ALL irishmen are offended by the same joke and they should therfore be banned. which we know to be untrue otherwise people like hal roach and dusty young would never have been the hits that they were.
the sad fact is that although a comedian may not be to your taste, as long as there are enough people that put their bums on the seats of their shows they will continue telling the jokes to their audiences. the answer is, if you don't like them or their material then don't watch them! |
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I think your sense of humour changes as you get ....er, more mature. (at least mine has) You become a little more aware of sensibilities, sensitivities......you become more aware of how things can be hurtful rather than funny. I think this is because you have experienced more things in life. I was angry when the comedian(he doesn't really deserve that title as he is as funny as a cold sore) referred to Katie Price's disabled son, Harvey, in one of his jokes. It was personal, it named the little boy and it was offensive. And he thought it was suitable for public consumption. He was making money out of telling a story about a blind brain damaged little boy. |
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No-one could possibly be offended at this.:D
Wales An Australian ventriloquist visiting Wales, walks into a small village and sees a local sitting on his porch patting his dog. He figures he'll have a little fun. Ventriloquist: "G'day Mate! Good looking dog, mind if I speak to him?" Villager: "The dog doesn't talk, you stupid Aussie." Ventriloquist: "Hello dog, how's it going mate?" Dog: "Doin' all right. Villager: (look of extreme shock) Ventriloquist: "Is this villager your owner?" (pointing at the villager) Dog: "Yep" Ventriloquist: "How does he treat you?" Dog: "Real good. He walks me twice a day, feeds me great food and takes me to the lake once a week to play." Villager: (look of utter disbelief) Ventriloquist: "Mind if I talk to your horse?" Villager: "Uh, the horse doesn't talk either....I think." Ventriloquist: "Hey horse, how's it going?" Horse: "Cool" Villager: (absolutely dumbfounded) Ventriloquist: "Is this your owner?" (pointing at the villager) Horse: "Yep" Ventriloquist: "How does he treat you?" Horse: "Pretty good, thanks for asking. He rides me regularly, brushes me down often and keeps me in the barn to protect me from the elements." Villager: (total look of amazement) Ventriloquist: "Mind if I talk to your sheep?" Villager: "The sheep's a liar! |
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Never really seen Little Britain just the odd sketch but don't think it's my thing either... :confused: |
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have to say i do quite like it especially how they have charicatured the very extremes of society, very clever, also liked their series done around an airport
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They had you off to a tee. :D |
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