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I think you will find JCB, that jaysay likes to dream.:D

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Don't we buy more from the EU than we sell to them?
Does that not mean they can hiss, spit and boo all they like.....they need us more than we need them.
Isn't it time Parlaiament sat down and decided that the EU have no hold over us anymore....and that we were not going to be bound(some would say hidebound) by their petty regulations anymore....and in real terms what could Brussels do about it?

I hope that this latest summit, where DC seems to have grown a pair(of ears that is) is not going to be just a damp squib....and that at some point in the future he isn't going to be browbeaten by the lily livered Lib Dems into backing down.

Can the 26 memebers of the EU who were too scared witless to vote against M&S not see what they are doing?
Was it all a ploy to demonise the British so that when it all goes belly up....as most people in the know, think it will - and very soon, that M&S will have a hook on which to hang the blame.

Can't they see that all the meetings in the world to address the deficit in the PIIGS were nothing more than window dressing.
The only real solution(which should have been grasped months ago) was to ditch the eurozone and break up the EU....it will never work because there are too many people who do not wish to have closer political and fiscal ties with France and Germany while they call all the shsots, make all the rules for other members to adhere to....or else.

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It may be my cynicism , but I don't think David Cameron had any intention of reaching an agreement .

He knew what the EU issue did to the government led by John Major .

He realised that the Conservative Euro-sceptics were becoming increasingly fractious .

My prediction for 2012 is that David Cameron will call a General Election based on the fact that he stuck two fingers up to the EU , something which he knew would go down well with most of the British electorate , and that we will have a majority Conservative government .

Whether these party political shenanigans will be beneficial for the country is something we will have to await and see .

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It's good to dream and fantasise , Cashman .

I've just done it on # 103 . :D

Beautiful Dreamers . :eek:

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I don't think it is cynical at all JCB.

I think you are right. DC made a calculated move. He can't be unaware of the unrest in the country with regards to the feeling about the monster that is the EU.

I feel that he knew that his actions might force his hand, and although he was saying that there would be no IN/OUT referendum, he can use the current situation as an excuse to change his mind.

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Kick us out ??? Isn't that what the Brits want ? :D

This isn't just any old European meltdown, the PIIGS are finely roasted & basted until they're about ready to burst, this is an M&S meltdown & roasting. :s_aim1:

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You can't kick someone out if they are itching to go anyway.
Great post by the way...love the take off of the M&S advert what's for afters and what wine are we drinkin with it....and is £10 a head.

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German Wine "Blewit Nun" & A French desert of Craps, sorry that should read "Creeps & Tarts" :D

And all for €20,00, yeah I know it's a bit steep but we've an economy to screw up. :rolleyes:


misspelling intentional but to good comic effect

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sounds.....er...interesting, if a little on the dear side.
I'll wait and see how the finances are after the Crimbo shopping......who knows it might be cut rpice by then?

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Nope as you're English (and as a punishment) for daring to say Non/Nien to the Führerin & her sneering side kick, "For you Tommy zer price vill alvays be high ! In denial " ;)

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http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/u...ny-england.jpg

Bring it on, fritz

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Glad I have this thread to read ... nothing much on the news about it over here ... maybe the guy with the note in the cleft stick hasn't made it over yet;)

There was an item on CBC: "UK coalition showing cracks." But it came in 4th place after stories about the election of a new leader of the Bloc Quebecois, the ongoing problems on the Attawapskat Reserve, and the election in Russia.:D

I seem to remeber that the last time Great Britain had a problem with the French and the Germans, they sank most of the French Fleet, and bombed Berilin.:D

Europeans ... and I don't consider the UK to be "european" ... have always been assholes, particularly the "shall we surrender now or wait for the war to start" French, and the kriegslustig Krauts. In the long run, I agree with what seems to be a growing number of Brits: the UK will be better going it alone and seeking new economic alliances.

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ahh but we need planes and aircraft carriers oh i forgot were going to have french planes on our aircraft carriers;) when theyre built;) goodbye coalition i smell an election next year..:)

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Who needs Aircraft Carriers, when we have Trident ICBM's

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I think that after the Sarkozy debacle, the french planes will be landing on the sea.

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he gave cameron the cold shoulder alright,him and his german sidekick are unstable out of respect even if you couldnt stick him you would still acknowledge another world leader:eek:

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Yes, you would. It is called courtesy....but the French hate us and can't wait to stick one on us(but they won't be up front and do it decently - they do it like a school bully, leg you up in the lines at assembly, then smirk to say you had it coming)......the Germans have never forgiven us for beating them in the last two wars...and at the football in 1966.

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Well a flash GE in say January there would be 3 main choices

1 Cameron

2 Mr ED

3 Clegg

I don't fancy the chances of 2 or 3 do you:rolleyes:

Not much hope if these are the antics of 'World Leaders'.
More like what Marge P' says just a bunch of bullies.
But no need to worry, Cameron will no doubt act in a similar manner towards someone weaker than himself.
This type of behaviour is always passed down the line.

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Your right about the frogs Margaret, they keep forgetting we bailed um out in two world wars, we even let the nasty little general a safe haven from those nasty Huns, then De Gaulle couldn't wait to kick us in the goolies, lets face it the bloody French never wanted us in the Common Market in the first place

There you go, we can even find something good to say about the French, if they had, had their way we wouldn't be in this mess.

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And now, its time for letterbombs.

Last week Deutsche Bank CEO, Josef Ackerman, was injured by one and today in Rome a tax collector was almost blinded by a similar device.

It seems that talk of rope and lamposts is not perhaps so far fetched after all.

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I said in my post , Jaysay , that we will have a majority Conservative government .

The more I see of the Liberal Democrat despair at the Brussels' farce , and the hero's reception David Cameron will get from the Conservative MPs , the more convinced I am that there will be a General Election next year .

But the only certainty is that whatever happens we will remain in the EU . Numbers 1 , 2 , and 3 are all committed to it .

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No John, they have never forgotten that we bailed them out, but they have never forgiven us for it...us, the little nation of shopkeepers...isn't that what Napolean named us?
I have never forgiven Charles de Gaulle for allowing us in.

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Thats the bit the ordinary tories are too dumb to get.:D

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If there is a General Election next year the I will not be voting for any party who don't give assurances to let the electorate decide on whether we Should be in or out of the EU....and I reckon there will be many more like me.
I don't want to dance to any tune that Sarkozy or Merkel want to play...........some Lib dem on TV yesterday said there was no way the Euro wanted us to give up our sovereignty...tell that to the Greeks and the Italians who have had leaders imosed on them....and it could happen here too.....could you see the Euro-puppet Nick Clegg as leader of this country? The very idea is risible.

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Well I haven't talked to any ordinary Tories lately cashy:rolleyes:

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Don't let Nick Clegg bother you Margaret, I've more chance of being leader than him:D

I have never spoken to an ordinary Tory in my life, they are all so full of themselves the rest of us can't get a word in edgeways!

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The thing is Jaysay, it has happened in Greece and in Italy....the EU has imposed unelected leaders who are strongly in favour of all things to do with Europe........and Nick Clegg has previously worked for the EU and is bound(I think bu some regulation or other) to promote the views of the EU.....so the EU would think him a prime candidate for the leadership of the country.

Personally, I cannot see the point of voting for a politician who is happy to have all the rules made in Brussels....what is the point of having an MP if they are going to sit in the great Palace of Westminster doing the biding of the Brussles bureaucrats, rather than we, who pay their salaries?????
Talk about chewing your cabbage twice.

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Another thing to consider is that had Britain stupidly signed up to Europe's Federal EU Road map, it would have effectively committed Britain to supporting the Euro, come-what-may, and given the ECB access to Britain's triple A rated borrowing power.

So, we have probably saved ourselves being coerced into borrowing up to £200 billion to boost the Euro rescue fund.

Little wonder then that the Fuhrerin and her dwarf are royally pee'd off with us.

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Sarkozy doesn't want the UK to leave the EU........he reckons the EU would be impoverished by our exit....so there you have it.
They are telling us they need us to stay in..........didn't look much like that when he snubbed DC.

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I don't think we need to worry too much about the french dwarf. After Dave's walkout on Thursday night, he knows that his chances of re-election went the same way. Did anyone read what his challenger for the presidential election said? Effectively that the accord or pact or treaty or whatever it was that they cobbled together will all have to be renegotiated after the election - more along the lines of what London had been suggesting all along.

Also in Germany there is the feeling that Der Fuhrerin has also gone too too far. Apparently there was the expectation that London would be more of a steadying influence - a failure of the F&CO, I'm not sure that wee Willy Hague is really cut out for the Foreign Office. the Bundesbank is also complaining that the 200 billion euros for the ECB to give to the IMF is Illegal anyway.

Meanwhile the Italian Bond Yield has been rising all day, the Euro is down, and it seems that the Americans are determined to make London the scapegoat for the coming market crash. It's all about hypothecation and how London made it possible for American banks to get away with so much of it.

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Are we heading for another Great Depression then?

Which day will be the "black" one this time i wonder.

Should we all be hitting the "mother's ruin"?;)

Get out your acryllics and paint us a nice bright picture for the future A-B!:D

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Everything is on course. Here's a bit of cheeruppance from the last time it happened...

Gold Diggers of 1935 (Part Two) - YouTube

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Ooops! I forgot that 'baby' falls off the balcony at the end.:o

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Still very little input from the thread starter, who is fast becoming the Accyweb s***stirrer

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Never mind "Baby" what happened to the poor cat?

Not sure I'll "sleep tight" until I know...:rolleyes::D

(Something in that dance made me think of Nazi Germany -or is that just my over-active mind...)

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I don't know what happened to the kitten, maybe the cleaning lady took care of it.

I know what you mean though about the vigorous arm movements. I wonder who the choreographer was?

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For some bizarre reason I thought that "Golddiggers" was directed by Busby Berkeley. However on checking I find that the movie was directed by a chap called Mervyn LeRoy. Berkeley is credited with creating and directing the dance numbers. I'm glad I cleared that up.

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That's probably because he is credited as Director at the beginning of the You tube clip....

Isn't he the one who did all the kaleidascope type dancing/swimming routines?

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He certainly was hunny.

here's another tid-bit from "42nd Street" (1933) featuring the utterly divine Ruby Keeler and the so so soigne Dick Powell.

BUSBY BERKELEY - RUBY KEELER IN 42ND STREET (a film by ROY DEL RUTH - 1933) - YouTube

At the end of the show Dick Powell pulls down the safety curtain, you will note that it has 'ASBESTOS' written on it, which reminds me of my misspent childhood. I managed to get into the old Hippodrome Music Hall in Accy, and there was an enormous safety curtain there too, made of woven asbestos. Being kind of dumb then, I have always had a healthy disregard for Elf-n-Safety, we cut holes in it so that we could use a rope from the fly tower to swing through the safety curtain out over the orchestra pit.
Ahhh, happy days - wot fun!

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Looks like I will survive a depression - I can tap dance ;)

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How cool is that! So can I -just. Perhaps we should team up. Marge and bob. What do you think?

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I'd better get practicing then:D

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I would pay to see you both dance.

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were the understage doors still working in your days in the hippodrome A-B? bet yeh got in through that little window entrance at the end of the back,which was at ground level.;)

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How did you know that? We also found a little room at the top of the theatre with oddly sloping walls. It was only when we poked a big hole in the plaster and looked through it that we realised that we were looking down into the theatre from the top of the proscenium arch

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He's all knowing all seeing is out cashy Bob, they don't put bay windows in slums mate:D

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You mean, we were being, spied on ? :eek:

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Easy we were never out of yon,:D sadly lost one of our little mates down yon,:(

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Pretty dangerous place. But fun nevertheless.

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I don't recall any doors leading under the stage. I do remember that the main curtain had fallen across the orchestra pit and lay draped there in a tangled soggy mess. I also remember there being a painted lady on the walls of the gents above the urinals, a bit reminiscent of Vargas.

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I seem to recall 2 of em, perhaps they were removed after the accident, which would have been around 62 ish, i know they tried to secure the place afterwards to prevent kids goin in. seems it didn't work.:D

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Looks like you had the safety elves watching over you A-B!

I don't remember the Hippodrome at all -before my time obviously.

They don't make films like that anymore - Early 30's was when my Grand-parents were courting so I like to imagine they would have gone to the cinema to watch them. They both always loved musicals and the Saturday night variety programmes that used to be on in the 60's and 70's like the Black and white minstrels....

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Not wanting to nit-pick...

Saw yesterday that Christopher Hitchens had died of cancer.

Remembered this post and thought "Oh, maybe it was his last ever article..." I'll go and re-read it...

It's actually by a Peter Hitchens .. perhaps that's why you found this article OK!!:)

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They were brothers! Strongly different opinions but they had some cracking arguments( and still remained friends).