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Just been watching Clegg and Ashdown talking about the EU agreement. Words like "spectacularly misguided", "disaster", "depressing" were being bandied about.

How can they stay in a coalition with Cameron after this? The Liberal Democrats went into the Coalition with two aims:

1. To secure electoral reform
2. To stay at the heart of Europe

This morning they are further away from electoral reform than they were before the Coalition, and Britain's place in Europe has never been further away from the heart.

How can the Coalition continue? Cameron should call an election immediately. At least everybody will know where they stand. The Labour and Liberal Democrat alternatives can be put forward for scrutiny during the election campaign, and if they are correct, Joe Public will give his verdict.

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Well either the Lib/dems keep quite and get on with it or one of two things will happen,

1/ There's a snap General Election, and they take to quick road to oblivion

2/ Carry on and wait another 2 or 3 years before they fade into oblivion.

Lets face it, this collision is the nearest the Lib/dems could ever come to government

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Are there any Liberal Democrat supporters on AccyWeb?

I'd love to hear their views, because their only role at the moment seems to be to prop up a radically right wing government.

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Radically right wing, well its better than a Labour government led my a left wing Union Puppet, a leader none of the grass roots labourites wanted;)

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Gynn, you start a thread attacking David Camerons position on Europe a few days ago, post twice out of a current count of 75. This is just a extension of that.
Anyone with a hint of common sense can see that you are against the Tory half of the Government. Will we see more of you this time.
Personally I think if there was a snap election, the Conservatives would win, with a decent majority.
I have not seen anything of the Labour leader that would inspire me, unlike when Tony Blair ran for office.

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As far as Radical Right, well the higher rate of income tax is still 40%, very right wing....

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I cannot see the Libs willingly breaking the coalition, after all, do Turkeys ever vote for Christmas?.

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Well your sure right about Mr Ed, he has problems with members of his own party never mind the General Public

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Quite right Bob they'll just have to come to terms with being the junior party in the government or become obsolete 3 years early:rolleyes:

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Euurrgh, can you see Ed Balls in charge of the treasury? It would be like giving the keys of the distillery to a drunkard.

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That's being rather disrespectful to drunks Bob:rolleyes:

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I think this just about sums up where the Lib Dems are going.

Talking Heads - "Road To Nowhere" - YouTube

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To be honest, Gynn, I don't think anyone but the Media give a rats nadger what Clegg or Ashdown think. They are both EU creatures bought and paid for. Their pensions depend on them not saying anything negative about the EU, no matter how corrupt it is or how undemocratic it becomes.

I'm sure that 'Call me Dave' is sitting in No. 10 this morning wetting himself over what Clegg and Ashdown have to say, especially after having read the poll results in this mornings 'Independent'.

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Being neither a tory or Labour supporter and defo not LD - I think it is time the euro sceptics called for the referendum to get us out of this mess they call the EU and back into the Commonwealth when we were all so much better off. If a snap general election was called, I wouldn't have a clue who to vote for - Monster raving loony party anybody???

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LMAO radically right wing government.

Whys that then?

because the government dosnt want to sink with the rest of europe?


Even Germany has printied millions of Deutsche Mark currencey in case the euro collapses so why the hell should we jump into an agrrement that people already in it dont believe in?

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Even Tesco are preparing for the collapse of the Euro - Tesco, you know, the supermarket!

I think anyone espousing the belief that the EU and the Euro are still viable going concerns has to be confined to a loony bin, for their own protection.

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Ya the poles were quite interesting really weren't they Bob;)

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North, South, barbers, or those eastern europeans?

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The Warsaw Chronicle Actually;)

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Poles, in my experience are very nice, friendly people. I went to school with quite a lot of them and we got along famously. Surprisingly well mannered too!

Polls on the other hand are tricky beasts at the best of times. Best not to put too much trust in Polls, or Pollsters for that matter. There's been many a slip betwixt Poll and Polling Station, as I am sure you are all too aware of, jay. Still, as you say, Interesting stuff.

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Ya but there are so many Polls (not poles) in the press this morning, which won't have given Mr Clegg or Ashdown anything to be cheerful about, think they're on a loser there Bob

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They were from the day they were born.

How can anyone in their right mind attach themselves to a party that has not been anywhere near government since 1922 and still hope to retain any shred of credibility? They need to be reminded from time to time that they are only in the coalition to make up the numbers. They get carried away with signing their names on official notepaper.

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I think Clegg and Ashdown could well do with reaquainting themselves with the traditions of their own party...

"If there be any party which is more pledged than another to resist a policy of restrictive legislation, having for its object social coercion, that party is the Liberal party. (Cheers.) But liberty does not consist in making others do what you think right, (Hear, hear.) The difference between a free Government and a Government which is not free is principally this—that a Government which is not free interferes with everything it can, and a free Government interferes with nothing except what it must. A despotic Government tries to make everybody do what it wishes; a Liberal Government tries, as far as the safety of society will permit, to allow everybody to do as he wishes. It has been the tradition of the Liberal party consistently to maintain the doctrine of individual liberty. It is because they have done so that England is the place where people can do more what they please than in any other country in the world...It is this practice of allowing one set of people to dictate to another set of people what they shall do, what they shall think, what they shall drink, when they shall go to bed, what they shall buy, and where they shall buy it, what wages they shall get and how they shall spend them, against which the Liberal party have always protested."

(Sir William Harcourt, speaking in 1872)

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Lets go for the election and get rid of the PC nitwits altogether. You know, I might even consider voting if Cameron has the bottle to go for it! Then again - maybe not!!!

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Now people have had the chance to see the European brown nosing, mealy-mouthed hypocrites in government, hopefully it'll be another hundred years before the Liberals have another taste of power.

But that Nice Nick Clegg did 'look' really nice on those pre-election telly debates, so who'd have known?

Anyone with half a brain, that's who.

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I have been wanting to ask all day(and have done a damn fine job restraining myself)I wonder what our local MP thinks of the situation....I wonder if he thinks that 95% of the population couldn't give a toss about the EU right now.
Maybe he will come on and tell us.

Well said.

Don't however expect a reply, the site had it's uses for him and a few others but...

None seem to need us anymore.

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Oh Less, I won't hold my breath. His absence has been noted...especially when there have been things he could have clarified for us.....but then maybe he now considers that we have done what we were supposed to and are of no further use...well, that is until next time.

I do hope we remember how dismissive he was of our concerns and worries....and how he turned a deaf ear to them, in favour of following the party line.

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You have both summed up that point very well, i personally am past caring,but feel G.J. will become as despised as Nice boy Nick before to long,i am sad to say.

I for one will still vote for him, and given the chance, all those that regularly used to come on site to tell us the differences they would make.
There is one alteration, this time unless they can explain how they have ignored us, I will be voting for them, OUT!

How long they been in? The only difference is one close to Mags heart 'dog ****', put the fine up, yeah well done, so much more you could have done in the time, but that is it.

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if there was an election i dont think it will be a walkover as civil servants past and present will vote tactically against the tories.people affected with the cuts will vote anybody but tory.anybody in a union will vote aginst tory as the tories are trying to destroy their working rights which is near the root of their opposition to europe. looks like whoever is in power will have to rely on the unionists and nationalists for a majority.

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Would love yeh to be correct, but can't see owt but a Tory walkover.:(

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You've got to make exceptions for C'Mon cashy, after all he actually thinks Rangers are a power in world football:D

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personally i dont want labor anywhere near power while milliband is in control of the party he would more than likely sell us further down the river to europe.

It would be interesting though to see who the liberal wet heads would vote for now they have been totally betrayed by their party

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closely followed by our own M.P.:mad:

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Don't think our illustrious Member of Parliament would relish a General Election just now or in the near future;)

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Although I wouldn't disagree with you, could you name any potential Labour leader who WOULDN'T sell us further down the river to Europe?

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No and thats the problem.Labour are no longer the party for the people unless those people are from another country.

Even our own local lad scewed us over in a heartbeat over europe so what hope is there of finding anyone who wouldnt screw us over further

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The funny thing was Millipede was attacking Cameron yesterday, but wouldn't say what he would have done, then eventually intimated he'd have probably done the same

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Well looking at numerous opinion polls since last week, wonder if our illustrious MP still thinks 95% of people still don't give a damn about our involvement in Europe, care to answer Graham, we know your watching:ello::ello:

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I asked that question Just after the brown stuff hit the fan on Thursday....answer came there none. Don't hold your breath John.....you are more valuable than he.

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Certainly wouldn't be holding my breath for some one who has scant regard for those who elected him and chose to take the safe party line to ensure his political career is still on course, Party before people is Grahams yardstick,

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I think that (or more honestly, hope that) the electorate of Accrington and surroundidn districts have learnt a summary lesson, that what makes a good councillor does not necessarily make a good MP.
GJ was a little fish in a small pond up here......and by all accounts did a sterling job for his ward. The little fish when put into the aquarium that is the Palace of Westminster is a totally different scenario....the little fish got swallowed by the dogma of the party......he 'forgot' about the little people back home...those he was down there to represent.
Lesson learned???? You tell me.

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I remember one so called big fish in a small pond going down to the big city to become a small fish swimming with sharks in the big sea, the only thing is this guy wasn't blown of course of representing the people who actually put their trust in him to represent them. I here that Ken Hargreaves is on the look out for some one to clean his shoes, believe me Graham Jones has no need to apply, he'd never come close to the standard required;)

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I could understand G.J. ignoring if accrington was known as a "Militant Hotbed":confused: it aint,never has been,never will be, When Keva Coombes ventured this way,that showed to me how Militancy is regarded in these parts, we just got n ordinary town,wi ordinary people, n too ignore those,i regard as very poor.:(

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The trouble is you can unburn bridges cashy, as I'm sure he will find out in time

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What I am sure you meant to say, Jay, is that you can't unburn bridges. I have to say that I agree with you. After Mondays performance in the House of Commons, I wonder how long it will be before Hatty Harperson is sharpening the knives again, ready to plunge them into Graham's new mate's back.

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I'm sure you me Hapless Harriet Bob, ya know the posh bint who's been swanning around the Labour front bench for years pretending to be a socialist;)

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Yes, thats the one, good old Harridan, the worker's friend. The sort that gives even champagne socialists a bad name.

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With freinds like that one you don't need too many enemies.

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She just is a nasty piece of work, Millipede had better be careful she may already have marked a target on his back;)