Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 956625)

Accrington Observer published and nobody has thought to congratulate our illustrious MPs promotion,

Originally Posted by Less (Post 956638)

Link please, we can't work on hearsay.

Originally Posted by groove (Post 956646)

Groove thinks local politics is boring. He thinks the mods should create a special section for this absolute tedium.

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 956656)

I'll start congratulating politicians when they have the courtesy of coming on here and answering perfectly reasonable questions that we ask. Until then, they don't deserve the time of day.

By the way, its now 39 days since the Kashmir Council meeting, and the minutes showing what was agreed have STILL not been posted on the website.

Hyndburn is an Excellent Council, as determined by the now defunct Audit Commission.

:(

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 956653)

Local politics........? Isn't the definition of local politics something that a councillor does(or perhaps doesn't do)?
This is the sitting MP we are talking about. The representative for our town.
That is the problem.......people do not think politics affects them...that is why the turnout at elections is so poor.
Politics, both local and national, affect everything in your lives.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 956643)

Its in the obs Less, get of your backside and go a buy one:D:D

Originally Posted by Less (Post 956667)

I'd rather buy a Daily Mail, but I won't.

Originally Posted by groove (Post 956646)

Groove thinks local politics is boring. He thinks the mods should create a special section for this absolute tedium.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 956725)

Groove has confirmed my point.

Originally Posted by groove (Post 956646)

Groove thinks local politics is boring. He thinks the mods should create a special section for this absolute tedium.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 956728)

I can't add sections to the forum but I can create a thread called "Absolute Tedium" and move all your posts into it :p

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 956736)

How galling.

Having to use your own newspaper column, to give yourself a pat on the back, in recognition of a reward, for being a good little party drone.

I'd guess about 95% of readers couldn't give a flying fig about this promotion.

Well done though.

For congratulating yourself.

Since no one else has.

Originally Posted by Less (Post 956738)

Not having read it, and although the thread starter can't be bothered to give us a link, do you think you could?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 956740)

Lol, I was actually going to do that...for you, before you asked, but I don't think they put the columns online.

I'll go and double check.

:D

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 956742)

I looked fer it online but no can find,n aint looking again,just before i eat.:s_sick:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 956743)

No sorry, it's not there.

To surmise.

He's been a good little party boy, and has been promoted.

Oh, and he wishes us all a merry Christmas.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 956743)

No sorry, it's not there.

To surmise.

He's been a good little party boy, and has been promoted.

Oh, and he wishes us all a merry Christmas.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 956750)

Promoted?

Is he the PM now?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 956736)

I'd guess about 95% of readers couldn't give a flying fig about this promotion.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 956756)

No, it's not P.M.

There's years of brown nosing to indulge in, before you're rewarded with such a glittering prize as that.

This is much more lowly.

I honestly can't remember what he is....besides a hypocrite.

I must have dozed off, before reading it all.

My dearest chum EdM has made me a prefect, blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada, merry Partymas.

I checked if it's on his Wikipedia page.

It isn't.

This was though, which made me laugh.

After his victory Jones pledged to fight for the people of Hyndburn on the national stage and said, “Last week I was clocking on as a factory worker and I will soon be heading to Westminster. It’s a dream.”
Graham Jones (politician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I do hope they've kept his card.

In case the dream turns into a nightmare.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 956768)

Well if the worst comes to the worst he could come back a relieve Myles of his duties;)

Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy (Post 956804)

Graham Jones? Let's face it, he's no Greg Pope is he.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 956736)

How galling.

Having to use your own newspaper column, to give yourself a pat on the back, in recognition of a reward, for being a good little party drone.

I'd guess about 95% of readers couldn't give a flying fig about this promotion.

Well done though.

For congratulating yourself.

Since no one else has.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 956756)

My dearest chum EdM has made me a prefect, blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada, merry Partymas.

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 956821)

Are you sure he's been made a prefect? I thought he'd been promoted to milk monitor (junior).

Anyway, it ain't on the online edition of the AO. However, I do believe that he now uses this twitter thing to get his message across, which is rather peculiar because from what I understand that particular media tool is one used by footballers, Z rate celebrities, teenagers and others whose only common denominator is illiteracy and stupidity. Still, if he's happy fooling around there then good luck to him although I seriously doubt if anyone who is either old enough or who knows how to vote will be reading his postings.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 956880)

Yeah, Twitter's great, for those who are too afraid to defend their thoughts, and actions...on a more equal, democratic medium, like Accy Web.

On Twitter you can just delete things you don't like, and no nasty opinion polls.

Result!

Tweet, tweet.

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 956821)

Anyway, it ain't on the online edition of the AO. However, I do believe that he now uses this twitter thing to get his message across, which is rather peculiar because from what I understand that particular media tool is one used by footballers, Z rate celebrities, teenagers and others whose only common denominator is illiteracy and stupidity. Still, if he's happy fooling around there then good luck to him although I seriously doubt if anyone who is either old enough or who knows how to vote will be reading his postings.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 956956)

Thats me - "illiteracy and stupidity" :D

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 956977)

I think I'll have a look at this twitter thing........

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 956979)

Dont waste yer time mate, its even worse than conversing wi dingles.:eek:

Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy (Post 956804)

Graham Jones? Let's face it, he's no Greg Pope is he.

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 956977)

I think I'll have a look at this twitter thing........

OMG!!!

Here's a quote from him:


"With 2 more years austerity after 2015 & the Coalition collapsing Cameron will still bottle Feb's rumoured snap GE.

15 Dec "

So then, a General Election February. Somehow I doubt it, but if he believes it I wonder if he's out looking for another job now?

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 957043)

actually he is because gregg pipe said openly that despite him knowing that teh people of hyndburn didnt want to get involved in the Iraq conflict his personal belief was that it was teh right thing to do so it seems common practice for our local mp's to ignore the wishes of the people they represent.

this is what my main gripe is.It isnt for them to make decisions it is their job to speak on behlaf of us and what we want not what they want

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 957075)

Don't quite agree with your main gripe. I want my representative in parliament to make decisions. Kingston and the Islands sends an MP to parliament, not a ventriloquist's dummy. However, I do want him to keep in touch with the feelings and wishes of his constituents and to make his decisions based, in part, on their input.

And folks should keep in mind that not everyone in the constituency voted for the sitting MP ...

The main criticism that I would have about an MP who is acting like yours, is that he seems to place his personal beliefs and his political career before his responsibilities as an MP.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 957075)

Don't quite agree with your main gripe. I want my representative in parliament to make decisions. Kingston and the Islands sends an MP to parliament, not a ventriloquist's dummy. However, I do want him to keep in touch with the feelings and wishes of his constituents and to make his decisions based, in part, on their input.

And folks should keep in mind that not everyone in the constituency voted for the sitting MP ...

The main criticism that I would have about an MP who is acting like yours, is that he seems to place his personal beliefs and his political career before his responsibilities as an MP.

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 957112)

i proibably didnt word it too well or as well as you did but i was aiming for what you said.Graham jones denied us our say beacsue apparently he felt we didnt deserve a vote on the E.U despite saying previously on two occasions that he would back our right to have a vote.Iv stated before that regardless of what people think about the E.U wether it be for or against it we deserve our say on the matter regardless and graham jones did his bit in taking that opportunity away from us.

lets face it there was no personal belief that he thought it was best we didnt get a vote the spinless git folded to his party leaders demands that he vote a particular way and in doing so screwed the people of hynburn on a democratic say.

Of course some decisions have to be made by a MP we cant have a vote on every decision but on matters as big a magnitude as the EU we damn well shoudl get a referendum and be allowed to have our say either way ;)

if he had stood up to milliband i would have voted for him as an indipendant or even as a member of another party if push came to shove if milliband had sacked him from labour but theres no way in hell he will get my vote now.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 957075)

The main criticism that I would have about an MP who is acting like yours, is that he seems to place his personal beliefs and his political career before his responsibilities as an MP.

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 957118)

Yup ... I think this whip thing needs some serious re-thinking ...

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 957119)

This does not mean that i agree with his chosen course of action - it takes a certain kind of courage to be a rebel...:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 957119)

I have had a re-read of the Labour Party Constitution and can see why he probably feels he has acted within the premises of his party and can sleep peacefully with his chosen course of action.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 957162)

If he supports our membership of the UK, that's OK, he's entitled to his opinion, but why does he not want to give us, the voters, a say on the matter?

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 957119)

As a Labour MP he is also bound by the Rules and Regulations of his party - whose broad outline of policies, beliefs and common aims are determined at an Annual National Conference. I have had a re-read of the Labour Party Constitution and can see why he probably feels he has acted within the premises of his party and can sleep peacefully with his chosen course of action.

See Clause 4, paragraph 2 c and Clause 4 paragraph 3.

Labour Party Rules

This does not mean that i agree with his chosen course of action - it takes a certain kind of courage to be a rebel...:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 957163)

Probably because, as he stated, 95% of us 'don't give a toss about Europe'.

Which means he's wrong...once again.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 957171)

Thats probably why he and his ilk find it hard to come on her and explain their actions, would appear Accyweb has outlived its usefulness;)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 957176)

Shame.

Probably too democratic.

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 957176)

Shame.

Probably too democratic.

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 957209)

Re: I'm a bit disappointed really
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...s/viewpost.gif
Probably because, as he stated, 95% of us 'don't give a toss about Europe'.

Which means he's wrong...once again.

Thats probably why he and his ilk find it hard to come on her and explain their actions, would appear Accyweb has outlived its usefulness;)



Actually, he was on here yesterday evening between about 10 and 10-30 - I "saw" him reading this thread and the other one "Did G-Jones do the right thing.." he took his time and it must have made pretty uncomfortable reading. Don't think he posted any comments -but he should have got your message by now! :D

Shame none of you were around to challenge him;):rolleyes:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 957209)

Re: I'm a bit disappointed really
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...s/viewpost.gif
Probably because, as he stated, 95% of us 'don't give a toss about Europe'.

Which means he's wrong...once again.

Thats probably why he and his ilk find it hard to come on her and explain their actions, would appear Accyweb has outlived its usefulness;)



Actually, he was on here yesterday evening between about 10 and 10-30 - I "saw" him reading this thread and the other one "Did G-Jones do the right thing.." he took his time and it must have made pretty uncomfortable reading. Don't think he posted any comments -but he should have got your message by now!

Shame none of you were around to challenge him;):rolleyes:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 957209)

Shame none of you were around to challenge him;):rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 957216)

Afternoon, Bernard. ;)

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 957209)

Actually, he was on here yesterday evening between about 10 and 10-30 - I "saw" him reading this thread and the other one "Did G-Jones do the right thing.." he took his time and it must have made pretty uncomfortable reading. Don't think he posted any comments -but he should have got your message by now! :D

Shame none of you were around to challenge him;):rolleyes:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 957212)

he knows damn well what many ex labour sympathisers on here think

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 957216)

I've challenged Bernard Dawson more than once when I've seen him reading the Kashmir thread to explain why he and the council voted the way they did. No answer every time.

Afternoon, Bernard. ;)

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 957229)

I suppose it is better to say nothing, and be thought of as numb...than open your gob and confirm it.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 957246)

Although pre-election victories, they were all more than happy to use this forum to publicly gob off, and spout the political ideologies.

Some of them even used to come on here, demanding answers from the then ruling party on H.B.C.

Strange old world.

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 957246)

.

Strange old world.

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 957262)

yes i too remember almost daily postings of what evil the council was doing and demands for an explination as to why.It also seemed to be suggested that the then council in power did not care what the poeple thought and therefore didnt need to explain themselves.

.I mean someone must have thought it reached enough people or they wouldnt have come here using the forum to batter the oppositioin;)

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 957270)

i agree it is right for opposition to point out failings but it is also very hypocrytical for them to do exactly what they accused the other party of doing onve they get into power.

they came on here assuring us of a more open council but as soon as a question is asked they dont like they shut up shop and are never heard of again.

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 957264)

The hardest thing is to pinpoint the moment when this change in attitude came about among those in political roles, when did the rot set in? (I personally would go back to the mid-eighties)

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 957209)

Re: I'm a bit disappointed really
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...s/viewpost.gif
Probably because, as he stated, 95% of us 'don't give a toss about Europe'.

Which means he's wrong...once again.

Thats probably why he and his ilk find it hard to come on her and explain their actions, would appear Accyweb has outlived its usefulness;)



Actually, he was on here yesterday evening between about 10 and 10-30 - I "saw" him reading this thread and the other one "Did G-Jones do the right thing.." he took his time and it must have made pretty uncomfortable reading. Don't think he posted any comments -but he should have got your message by now! :D

Shame none of you were around to challenge him;):rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 957297)

Well, So far as the Labour candidates for the positions of Councillors is concerned it isn't difficult to pin point at all.
Right up until the last election they were on here daily, now they have control of Hyndburn, but no conversation, they don't have control of AccyWeb, long may the awkward questions still be asked on here, (no matter which party), but woe betide any party that tries to take us for the ride like our so called friends in the Labour party did, we will be waiting for hell to freeze over before we fall for their 'open promises', again.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 957300)

Wyn has tried that before mobertol, but it had effect, think he's a bit

Originally Posted by Less (Post 957303)

Sometimes you make sense, what went wrong this time?