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claytonx 22-12-2011 10:31

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Should married people get extra tax relief as they did in the fiftys

Benipete 22-12-2011 10:41

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Of course they should,There has to be some good points.:D

gynn 22-12-2011 11:19

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Originally Posted by claytonx (Post 957591)
Should married people get extra tax relief as they did in the fiftys

In a word, No. It's a throwback to the days when father got the 8.21 to the city dressed in a suit and bowler hat, mother stayed at home wearing a pinny and baking scones for tea, and the children were seen and not heard.

If the argument is that tax incentives encourage family life, what a load of rubbish. You can't bribe people to live in a certain 'ideal' way. You provide the conditions where it happens naturally. Like ensuring there are enough employment opportunities for bread winners, and by providing attractive and affordable education choices etc etc etc.

MargaretR 22-12-2011 11:50

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ToffeeGuy 22-12-2011 12:29

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I think it's less about a financial incentive to get married, after all no one will get married for an extra £50 or whatever a year. It's more about sending out a message from government that marriage brings social stabilty. This is arguable.

Kazzie 22-12-2011 12:38

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I think that they should, why should people who choose to be single be eligible for more benefits, when people who are married and live together get less? Many a time me and my husband have joked that we would be financially better of if I moved out with the kids so at the moment our government is making it easier to live as a single parent and not a married couple.

Eric 22-12-2011 13:35

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy (Post 957612)
I think it's less about a financial incentive to get married, after all no one will get married for an extra £50 or whatever a year. It's more about sending out a message from government that marriage brings social stabilty. This is arguable.

Everything, however dumb, is arguable, from Sasquatches to aliens, to trickle down economics. But I don't see what marriage has to do with social stability:confused: And I don't think marriage can be sold as a patriotic act. Get married for the good of England:mosher: (or country of your choice.) Come to think of it, what is the legal definition of marriage in the UK? Does it encompass same-sex unions?

jaysay 22-12-2011 18:08

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 957619)
Everything, however dumb, is arguable, from Sasquatches to aliens, to trickle down economics. But I don't see what marriage has to do with social stability:confused: And I don't think marriage can be sold as a patriotic act. Get married for the good of England:mosher: (or country of your choice.) Come to think of it, what is the legal definition of marriage in the UK? Does it encompass same-sex unions?

It does now, but cohabiting isn't covered, I know a few people who have come unstuck when their long time partner has died without leaving a will, nobody thinks about making a will until its too late. Its actually surprising that about 60% of people in this country don't have a valid will, it leads to all sorts of trouble for those left behind

cmonstanley 22-12-2011 18:11

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ye ye ye:D

annesingleton 22-12-2011 18:17

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My son and his partner and my daughter and her partner have been together for a lot of years and have provided their children with a stable and secure family upbringing. They would not marry in order to receive tax relief. Marriage is not necessarily the benchmark for a stable family life and in my opinion the current Prime Minister is too keen on sound bites rather than action possibly to take the pressure off more important things.
It sounds to me like more upper class rhetoric to deal with social problems which really people in power have no true concept of.

jaysay 22-12-2011 19:01

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Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 957679)
My son and his partner and my daughter and her partner have been together for a lot of years and have provided their children with a stable and secure family upbringing. They would not marry in order to receive tax relief. Marriage is not necessarily the benchmark for a stable family life and in my opinion the current Prime Minister is too keen on sound bites rather than action possibly to take the pressure off more important things.
It sounds to me like more upper class rhetoric to deal with social problems which really people in power have no true concept of.

Cohabitation is fine Ann so long as you dot the I's and cross the Ts

ToffeeGuy 22-12-2011 21:53

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 957619)
Everything, however dumb, is arguable, from Sasquatches to aliens, to trickle down economics. But I don't see what marriage has to do with social stability:confused: And I don't think marriage can be sold as a patriotic act. Get married for the good of England:mosher: (or country of your choice.) Come to think of it, what is the legal definition of marriage in the UK? Does it encompass same-sex unions?

Marriage is basically a contract. Like any contract, it provides stability. Like in employment or business a contract gives some legal protection in income and rights. Of course everything could be done on trust and a handshake but I'd like the security a contract brings, in theory, to do things like borrow money for a house or grow my business.

gynn 22-12-2011 21:59

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy (Post 957720)
Marriage is basically a contract. Like any contract, it provides stability. Like in employment or business a contract gives some legal protection in income and rights. Of course everything could be done on trust and a handshake but I'd like the security a contract brings, in theory, to do things like borrow money for a house or grow my business.

It's nice for the married couple to have a secure contract in law. Doesn't explain why they should be given a penny more in tax breaks than anyone else.

Mancie 22-12-2011 22:07

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I don't think there will be a big increase in weddings just for the sake of a few extra quid in tax relief..but at the same time I don't think married people should be discriminated by getting lower state pensions and such.. any tax relief would be good..but the way this government go about things they would likely fund any married tax relief by making cuts to working families who may not be married.

garinda 22-12-2011 23:07

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Originally Posted by Kazzie (Post 957613)
why should people who choose to be single be eligible for more benefits

Everyone's born single.

Some choose to marry.

The less independently minded, needy types, usually.

;)

Tax relief?

They already get a shed load of presents on tying the knot, what more do they want?

:rolleyes:

ToffeeGuy 22-12-2011 23:10

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"Marriage is a wonderful institution, but who wants to live in an institution?"

Groucho Marx

garinda 22-12-2011 23:16

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 957619)
Everything, however dumb, is arguable, from Sasquatches to aliens, to trickle down economics. But I don't see what marriage has to do with social stability:confused: And I don't think marriage can be sold as a patriotic act. Get married for the good of England:mosher: (or country of your choice.) Come to think of it, what is the legal definition of marriage in the UK? Does it encompass same-sex unions?

No, civil partnerships, though sharing most of the same legal rights and benefits, aren't classed as marriages.

Perhaps patriotism comes later in marriage?

Around the honeymoon time.

When many repose on the marital bed, and ponder what it is, that's so special about England.

http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws....874d3d7b97.gif

:rolleyes::D

jaysay 23-12-2011 09:58

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 957739)
No, civil partnerships, though sharing most of the same legal rights and benefits, aren't classed as marriages.

Perhaps patriotism comes later in marriage?

Around the honeymoon time.

When many repose on the marital bed, and ponder what it is, that's so special about England.

http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws....874d3d7b97.gif

:rolleyes::D

Well I was married twice one lasted 4 years one 11, I've now had a relationship for 23 years never intended to get married neither of us, never lived together, just see each other at weekends and holidays, works for me:mosher:

Acrylic-bob 25-12-2011 08:51

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I think this is more about reducing the Welfare burden than anything else. Statistically, it is true that children with a stable family background cost the state so much less over the course of their lives than children of single parent and no parent backgrounds.Raising children is an expensive undertaking and one that the state would rather not have to fund. This burden is bourne not only by the DSS but also by the NHS, Education, Local Government and The Justice System.

Against a weakening global economic situation in general and also in the wake of last summer's riots you may expect that there will be more from the government to encourage, not only the feckless and the workshy, but all of us, to take on an increasing share of the responsibility and costs for the way we choose to run our lives.

And quite right too. Liberty and freedom are vitally important elements in any society. We must take care that these elements are sufficiently guarded that they do not manifest their darker sides. Liberty is not Licence and Freedom, no matter how much the liberal left may whine and squeal, has never meant Irresponsibility.

As a single person, business taxpayer and employer. I think that if allowing a married family to keep hold of a little more of what they earn meant that there was a corresponding decrease in calls on the state for assistance and intervention then that would be something that we all would benefit from in the long run.

emamum 26-12-2011 21:46

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i sound like an idiot but whats the difference between a tax relief and tax credits?

if its extra money then i says yeah! but thats because im married :D

davebtelford 05-01-2012 18:25

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Working married couples with no kids are the best off financially so why should they get additional tax breaks. Weight any tax breaks towards workers (married or not) with children.

It's another one of Cameron's BIG ideas I think - the man is unfit to be PM.

jaysay 05-01-2012 18:48

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Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 960441)
Working married couples with no kids are the best off financially so why should they get additional tax breaks. Weight any tax breaks towards workers (married or not) with children.

It's another one of Cameron's BIG ideas I think - the man is unfit to be PM.

Me thinks your at war with the world old chap:rolleyes:

Gordon Booth 05-01-2012 19:00

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Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 960441)
Working married couples with no kids are the best off financially so why should they get additional tax breaks. Weight any tax breaks towards workers (married or not) with children.

If you get your way I'm going to have to start another family-not easy at my age!
I'll settle for married couple tax breaks.

davebtelford 07-01-2012 06:15

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 960459)
Me thinks your at war with the world old chap:rolleyes:

Not with the world - just with ignorance, injustice & inefficiency. And with politicians messing about with stuff for no very good reason! Remember G.Brown and his abolition of the 10p tax rate - that was a hoot and a half.


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