Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 958575)

What has killed all the good WMC'S

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 958574)

Heard today from a good source the club will close after New Years Eve, sad to see another owd drinking den go.:(

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 958574)

Heard today from a good source the club will close after New Years Eve, sad to see another owd drinking den go.:(

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 958612)

Well bully or you Graham, a few years ago....so that was before you sold you constituents out for the bright lights of Westminster. Good of you to take your snout out of the trough to reply to this, however it would be nice to see you responding to the thread regarding yourself.

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 958612)

Well bully or you Graham, a few years ago....so that was before you sold you constituents out for the bright lights of Westminster. Good of you to take your snout out of the trough to reply to this, however it would be nice to see you responding to the thread regarding yourself.

Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 958575)

What has killed all the good WMC'S

Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 958696)

Being a lifelong non smoker. I fully agree that the smoking ban has killed most of our pubs and WMC's. They should have kept a smoke room and just banned smoking at the bar area and lounge. The smoking ban is a joke .The smokers stand in the pub doorways and you have to walk past the smoke to go in. Bring back Smoke rooms

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 958670)

1. The wholesale price of beer and spirits to WMCs which has to be passed on to the consumer.
2. The economic climate that makes drinking out a luxury that many have to forego.
3. The increased costs of heating, lighting, rates etc
4. The smoking ban.
5. The lack of appeal of working men's clubs to young people.
6. Cheap supermarket alcohol.

Each of the above has been an extra nail in the coffin not just of WMCs, but also many local pubs.

Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 958696)

Being a lifelong non smoker. I fully agree that the smoking ban has killed most of our pubs and WMC's. They should have kept a smoke room and just banned smoking at the bar area and lounge. The smoking ban is a joke .The smokers stand in the pub doorways and you have to walk past the smoke to go in. Bring back Smoke rooms

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 958612)

Well bully or you Graham, a few years ago....so that was before you sold you constituents out for the bright lights of Westminster. Good of you to take your snout out of the trough to reply to this, however it would be nice to see you responding to the thread regarding yourself.

Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 958850)

Dyers and Finishers is now a private club Stanley Street Club

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 958855)

yep correct max, am losing the plot.:d

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 958856)

um:d

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 958864)

Yep but unlike some, i hold me hand up.;):D

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 958841)

I think personal comments only undermine your case by the way. I have always said their is a lack of credible or coherent argument from the right.

I am proud to have voted to defend workers rights and environmental legislation (which is what this was all about if you followed it closely). It is always disappointing when working people cross over to the dark side, persuaded to support the arguments of the Daily Mail / Tories / Fat Cats but that is something you have to live with.

Keeping on thread - as someone who often goes in Peels 4 WMC's - and lives in Peel Ward (23 years), I think it is a ridiculous statement to say i am out of touch.

Their is a great danger that I have said many times, we are moving from real community activism towards a concept described by some as keyboard warriors. That not only is reality is disappearing but a human side of life where we actually care for each other.

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 958841)

I think personal comments only undermine your case by the way. I have always said their is a lack of credible or coherent argument from the right.

I am proud to have voted to defend workers rights and environmental legislation (which is what this was all about if you followed it closely). It is always disappointing when working people cross over to the dark side, persuaded to support the arguments of the Daily Mail / Tories / Fat Cats but that is something you have to live with.

Originally Posted by Greeny (Post 958943)

Was the Catholic club not a WMC or was that private

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 958963)

A touch condescending, perhaps?

So the right lack credible or coherent argument and are on the dark side?
A touch of extremism, perhaps?
Can't think why your not in power, must be all those disappointing working people. It must be difficult living with that.

Originally Posted by Rob249 (Post 958990)

straits club is that still going??

Originally Posted by Rob249 (Post 958990)

straits club is that still going??

Originally Posted by gynn (Post 959011)

Back in the 1990s there was a lot of pressure on HBC to grant rate relief to WMCs, and the three problems we kept coming up against were:-

1. We could never find examples of other Councils up and down the country who granted such relief.
2. The constitution of the Clubs tended to treat women as second class citizens.
3. Too many clubs were being run for the benefit of committee men, not the members.

I remember visiting one club that applied for rate relief, only to find a culture of committee men helping themselves to drinks without going near the till.

So its not ALL about smoking bans and price increases. I'm afraid the dishonesty of the few has probably, in the long term, destroyed the enjoyment of the many.

And take that from someone who visited most Hyndburn WMCs in the 1990s.

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 959336)

Willow Mount was one of the best clubs but I'm talking way back 70's.
Used to go there with the mum and dad of my ex Fri or Sat night. the dad would drink 12 to 14 pints plus the booze he bought his wife, the bingo, and used to tip "the turn"...how much would that cost today?.. the myth of it all being down to the smoking ban is long gone.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 959337)

Aint all down to the ban, that was just the final nail,;) to my mind the "First" nail was the advent of sodding Bingo, many young uns used to call in clubs early doors fer a game of snooker,few bob in bandits etc, many including me stopped goin in em when that started, to me that was future generations lost fer ever.

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 959342)

But the WMC weren't really about nipping in for a game of snooker.. they were places for people to spend the whole night ..bingo, the turns, meeting friends even if you had worked with them all week..that's what has gone.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 959347)

nah mancie before yer time, many used to pop in fer couple of hours game,few pints,etc before hitting the town, many of those lost,may well have frequented WMCs far more when they got older, they were lost forever in many cases.;)Generation may well have been lost?

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 959355)

Well i'd say most of the people that did use the popular WMC in the past were the more mature working class..I mean they were the ones that provided the income for the clubs.. in them days you had to make a small payment to be part of the WMC...I don't think the young un's have ever been into working mens clubs.
I lay it down to the lack of blokes and women of let's say over 40 yrs old that have jacked in the night out at the local club because there is nowt down there no more.

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 960002)

Good to see a local councillor with his finger on the pulse, his comments about the club closing in the LT



That will be why it's closing then :confused:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 960004)

It closed New Years Eve, early as a matter of fact, seems our travelling brothers kicked off big time, certainly centre of the community.:rolleyes::D

Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 960020)

Not been the club for a very long time.. to be honest when I knew it was late 70's and it was a place for the locals .. Ormerod St . Fountian St and such like Willows Lane...almost all white working people either from mill or had worked in the mills or Engineering round about them parts.
Can't help thinking the change in the local population may have changed things.. maybe just a sign of the times when a high proportion of the folk round that way don't drink and don't socialise in a WMC.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 960004)

It closed New Years Eve, early as a matter of fact, seems our travelling brothers kicked off big time, certainly centre of the community.:rolleyes::D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 960033)

Bit out of character that cashy:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 960059)

Ah but just bin into town fer a brew n butty n read tuesdays L.E.T. seems it was continued in the early hours a young un was shot as he lay in bed, Suppose it must be n "Happy New Year" thing wi em?:D

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 960126)

All boarded up now :(

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 960194)

Yeh i know,the gear was up fer sale pre new year n our friends who kicked off New Years Eve were after buying some of it, offers were turned down,cos they were peanuts i was told, perhaps that answers the question?:D

Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 960270)

Only peanuts,No pork scratchings or crisps left?:confused:

Originally Posted by alan7554 (Post 961686)

also the harmonic wmc on henry street rishton, only the good old Workmens club on commercial street and the one on parker street rishton left,the legion is now privatly owned

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 962609)

Perhaps it's partly due to the traditional working classes, bettering themselves, and prefering to sup in oak panelled bars, in the swankier parts of in London, rather than in the old style working mens' clubs.

Hyndburn MP Graham Jones' concern over the rise of a ?pro-politician? (From Lancashire Telegraph)


Well, it could explain about 95% of closures, I'd say.

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 962609)

Perhaps it's partly due to the traditional working classes, bettering themselves, and prefering to sup in oak panelled bars, in the swankier parts of in London, rather than in the old style working mens' clubs.

Hyndburn MP Graham Jones' concern over the rise of a ?pro-politician? (From Lancashire Telegraph)


Well, it could explain about 95% of closures, I'd say.

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by US Angel (Post 1132618)

Are there any WM Clubs open in Accy ??

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 958574)

Heard today from a good source the club will close after New Years Eve, sad to see another owd drinking den go.:(

Originally Posted by Accyexplorer (Post 1145483)

Cashy seems like one of those folk who classes playing the fruit machine in the local takeaway as having one of his five a day :eek:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1145482)

Exercise n cashy dont go in the same sentence.:D