The Demon Drink
 

Nanny State has decided that all you lager louts and binge drinkers out there are risking your health and causing a bit of a nuisance.

So Nanny and her helpers are going to do something about it.


David Cameron plans minimum alcohol price in England - Telegraph

How many of us think that increasing the unit cost of alcohol, to 40p per unit, is going to solve the problem of too much booze, too freely available to people with who do not know the meaning of the word 'Moderation'?

And if you think a minimum price for alcohol is the way to go, is 40p per unit too little or too much?

If you don't agree with Nanny's proposals, how would you solve the problem of too many, drinking too much, too often?

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Nanny and his little helpers were well known for knocking back the pints and more at the Union bar and the Turf Tavern in their yoof.

Undoubtedly they can therefore empathise with today's "hoodie" binge drinkers, being well-versed in the after-effects of a little over-indulgence themselves.

It is a great kindness on their part to want to save young people the odd "morning after the night before" headache.

The problem is that increasing the price of alcohol will make no difference, except for a certain amount of grumbling about having to spend more for a good night out. People have always enjoyed drinking and always will -some will go to excess and learn their limits, some will end up in A&E and cost the tax-payer money, others, unfortunately will get hooked and become alcoholics.

Perhaps the governent could introduce the study of Temperance from a young age in the school Curriculum. Like any form of self-denial a few will enjoy it but looking at the record of sex-education in schools in the UK, with respect to teenage pregnancy, abstinence is not easily accepted as an option.

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This is a complete con job, all he is doing is increasing tax revenue, NOT helping health as he claims, the increase wont make a jot of difference to those who slug away until oblivion, anyone who reckons owt else is denser than n Amazon Rain Forest.:rolleyes:

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Can somebody tell me what 'one unit' is in real money ? Pint, half pint, small bottle of meths ?

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It is half a pint of beer or a glass of wine -I think?

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it will not make one iota of difference.
The way to stop the kind of drinking that affects health is to take alcohol sales away from supermakets and put it back on off licences.........put pub hours back to what they were........having them open all hours is not good for the pubs......pubs are closing at an alarming rate because half of the time the pubs are empty.

This is just a way of increasing taxes...and there is nothing to say that what is raised will be spentimproving the NHS...The road fund licenece doesn't seem to be spent on the roads......petrol duty isn't spent on improving transport links.
A crock of doo-doo...that is what this proposal is....and before anyone says anything.........I rarely drink alcohol(one small glass of wine so far, over the festive period).

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I say! Steady on there, old girl. :D

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I wonder - before this starts to become a thread against those who like a drink -how many can remember the last time they over-indulged? Or will admit to it:D

I can honestly say that i was definitely "Squiffy" on Xmas Eve -watched a lovely Bernardo Bertolucci film which i hadn't seen in ages (The Last Emperor) and was on the edge of becoming Maudlin because of the music (by Sakamoto).

Luckily my Giddy tendency took over and a good nights sleep left me no side effects. Mind you i did only drink wine and am careful to drink one glass of water for every one of wine!

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I think you need to be a little more precise. Overindulgence can have different meanings for different people.
For example, for me, it means not being able to stand up, structure a coherent sentence or find my way home - in short a good night out. I had one on Christmas Eve. And again on Boxing Day.
I should also add it means not being able to remember a good deal of what I was talking about, or to whom I was saying it and feeling horribly guilty the morning after.

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That's what the doctors tell us, but a half pint of Kaliber is zero alcohol, and Tennents Special Strength can be over 10% alcohol.

And wine is different strengths, too.

hic!

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Trouble is they keep making glasses of wine bigger in pubs. Used to be 120ml, then 150, 175, even 200 - there is no standard. And wine isgetting stronger.

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So is Lager Susie. up from 3% in the seventies to 5% or 6% today. The problem is not the drinker or the Supermarket, it is the breweries.

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So he thinks he is putting a pint up to 80p, wonder when was the last time he bought a round :D

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Mine was a good night in then - I did have a few paracetamols on Xmas day:o and had to check what I'd written on here in case I'd disgraced myself in any way -luckily I hadn't. (OK so I lied).

Just sent a friend who i'd been thinking about a link to the Sakamoto music with the title "too beautiful for words" think I meant the friend and not the music!

You are good at getting people to confess, aren't you?!;):D

Perhaps you should have tried the Priesthood...

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If it hadn't been for the celibacy bit, I might have. I think the church got off more lightly than it knows.

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And Cardinalitial Red has always been my favorite colour.

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Matches your eyes when you've been at the Communion wine?:rolleyes::D

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I would be in good company though, from what friends at the English College tell me.

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I can remember the last time I was legless twas my 50th birthday, many moons ago:D

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Probably about the last time I did:D

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According to todays Express it's against European Law to force any one to charge a minimum price. Never mind David good try(bet you knew all along)

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The price isn't the problem as I've said before it's peoples attitudes that need sorting. As to the blather about the money raised going towards treating the problems caused, utter bull, it's just another way or raising revenue to line the coffers.

Underhand & deceitful, Cameron at his smarmy best.

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The last time I over-indulged on alcohol was at a very posh wedding in 2003.

As I have got older, I have found that my taste for alcohol has diminished greatly. I prefer a good strong cup of tea.

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I agree Margaret, booze doesn't bother me these days, I'd already cut down to drinking wine, haven't had a bottle of that for ages even with a meal, in fact the last time I had a drink was when I went to the Talbot in October

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these days it seems that people go out with the intention of getting bladdered.....some of them go out already half cut.
I don't go out much in the evening anymore, but when I used to socialise....we went to the pub...not with the intention of getting drunk, but with the intention to socialise, chat, meet up with friends.....and sometimes while we were having such a good time we forgot to count how many we had had to drink........I cannot ever remember being so drunk as to not know what I was doing.......maybe that is because when I was really over the 8, I was invariably sick.......and didn't get a hangover because all the booze was down the armitage.

Opening the pubs all day to promote a continental cafe culture was just never going to work. The Brits have a different outlook on alcohol than the continentals.....and who wants to sit outside a pub in January with a cold pint freezing their assets off.....not me!

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Oh I enjoy a drop as much as the next drunken bum, probably more so :D but contrary to appearances I do have a healthy respect for the Ale & know my limits, it's been a long, long, long time since I last embarrassed myself or others through the drink, but I still have my gibbery moments on occasion.

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Ya we see the aftermath on here Dave:p:p:D

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Why thank you for noticing Jay. :D

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Might as well just slug it outa the bottle ... pass the Chateau Porchclimber:mosher:

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I know my limits too .... they usually coincide with someone behind the bar telling me I'm cut off.:D

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26th May 2007 .... and its well documented on here!!! :p:p:p (just getting it in before mick does!!!:p)

they keep talking about bringing in minimum pricing in scotland ...
BBC News - Scottish government reintroduces alcohol pricing bill
they kicked it out last year .. but have brought it back in as a bill this year ....

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I would never have done that Jen:D
I go to the Railway on a Saturday where i meet some of the members off accyweb.
just for a social drink and chat i have 3 to 4 pints a week putting larger up by 80p a pint will mean my pint will be £3 a pint as i only go out once a week and we all buy a round of drinks its not going to stop me going to the railway on a sat.

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You're making me feel old there, bud. At three quid a pint, the first pay packet I ever got had enough in it to buy three pints, and maybe the bus fare home.:eek: And three pints is hardly enough to take the edge off before the real drinking starts.:D

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This won't make a jot of difference and I'm sure that the services which have to treat the aftermath of a drunken brawl will not see a penny.

The last time I was a bit squiffy was at the work Xmas do on the 9th Dec.
I have no idea what time I got home but I do remember how I got home. I have no recollection of anything after getting in. I woke up to a pile of clothes on the bathroom floor which I don't remember leaving there, and, I still had my make up on which made me look a bit Alice Cooperesque. I know that I didn't fight anyone, fall over and injure myself or vomit on anybody's soft furnishings but apart from that, the memory is very fuzzy.

Maybe a better way would be to charge people for their Ambulance and A&E treatment, paid for by credit card at the time of treatment. Having to pay a couple of hundred quid for services required after a good night out may make some people think twice. Having done a stint in A&E (many years ago), I can say with a degree of experience that most of the people who attend after a drunken night out are complete time wasters and require nothing more than a plaster (and a good kick in the pants). :D

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What vintage is that Eric:rolleyes::D

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I used to have a wife like that:D

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Having once been admitted to A & E on a Friday night, with a severe asthma attack and witnessing first hand what really happens, I couldn't agree more lettie, especially the kick up the pants bit, and I'm serious

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Spot on Lettie....and the scale of charges should be one that increases with each visit....maybe then the drunks would get the message and the hospital would get the money to spend on services, which won't happen if the government are to get their dirty mitts on the money first.

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the only thing cameron will acheive by increasing booze prices is making the illigal cheap booze market more appealing.There is already a big problem with fake/cheaper booze which is often literally toxic and has seriouly harmed people who knowingly or un-knowingly drink it.

milions will be wasted trying to stop it but just like with cheap tobbacco they will fail

it would be much simpler and cost effective to keep booze reasonably priced and look elsewhere to make a few quid

maybe getting vodaphone and other large companies to pay their 22 billion tax debt wouldnt hurt the economy :rolleyes:

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Maybe he'd be better off having a social worker hanging about on the booze aisle of supermarkets to help people stop drinking? :p

I can see it from both sides - if booze is cheaper then we buy more and drink more, if the price is higher makes us think twice about it. As for pub prices these are quite high anyway so raising the tax will damage pub drinkers on some nights but not places where they hand out freebies , buy 1 and get 1 free and so on - mainly in clubs and so on. We should charge these iresponsible drinkers who waste NHS resources for the use of Ambulances; that would serve them right for being out of control.

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I don't know whether this still applies, but some years ago a mate had an road accident and needed hospital treatment and he got a bill for the ambulance, haven't heard of it happening recently though

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i think there are bigger burdens on the NHS than a few rides to hospital for drunk people but please welcome argument number 1 in the list of many minor points that will be used to demonise people who enjoy a drink.As usual everyone will have to pay the price for a mere handfull of people who cant use common sense.

previously demon smokers

now demon drinkers

next how dare you have sugar in coffee you scumbags :rolleyes:

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Time to dust off the Home Brew kit, methinks.

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LOL! remember them well in the 70's and 80's -my parents used to have wine going in the kitchen. At Uni. it was all the rage for the lads to brew beer -there used to be a shop off Warner St. that specialised.

My mum used to make home-made ginger beer too!

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Anybody thought of what would happen the day before prices went up? Would the whole country go a massive bender whilst they could.

Image the queues of people stocking up at Asda for days before. Supplies would dry up. Alcohol keeps doesn't it?, better get several years worth in before the price rise. All I can say is they'll have to spring this on people.

Booze cruises will also suddenly come back into fashion.

Perhaps a more sensible measure would be to introduce a maximum purchase allowance similar to when buying paracetamol.

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And that works doesn't it? You would simply go to a range of different shops.......and there are a few to go at aren't there?
Unless of course the government was thinking of introducing ration cards....but it still wouldn't work because it would drive the black market in alcohol and we would probably have a 'speakeasy' type culture arising..

This genie is out of the bottle(no pun intended there - it was only half a pun anyway)...there is no enticing it back in.

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What a brilliant comparison that was, the only thing that making paracetamol only available in packs of 16 was it increased the price, anybody who wanted paracetamol in large amounts only have to walk down any street calling in at grocers newsagents etc. probably the most useless piece of legislation ever

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It don't suprise me that comparison..:rolleyes:

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The thing that annoys me about the paracetamol legislation is that many shops also apply it to other painkillers such as ibuprofen which do not have the same risks as paracetamol.

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Lets be honest the Legislation is useless, a couple can go in a store n both can buy em n some will allow yeh more anyway, as we have discovered.;)

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I have a cupboard full of paracetamol...well no......I have quite a few packs...maybe 20.
It gets me, that governments think we are all like five year olds...not to be trusted.
I am surprised we can buy matches and other potentially dangerous items.

If anyone really wanted to do themselves in using paracetamol........one single pack of 16 might just do the job.
In my nursing career I saw people(girls mainly = tiff with B/f = end it all) who took a relatively small amount of this drug ...one girl took only 11 and it killed her...not right away......but weeks and weeks later. She hadn't wanted to die, not really....she just wanted someone to notice she was hurting psychologically...but die she did.

Legislation is not the answer, taxation is not the answer.......education might have a role, but it is only a secondary one.
Young people think their lives are endless and they have become so hedonistic.......want it now, no boundaries...no alcohol, means to them, no fun.
They do not see the health risks.......or if they do, they do not take them seriously.
Maybe a National Service type enterprise might alter their views, because instead of putting them in the Army, they could be working on hospital wards, in A&E departments......no, not nursing patients, but doing other things that expose them to the sights that perhaps would alter their views on drugs and alcohol.

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That is not a bad idea Margaret.

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It's not just a few rides in ambulances there is a lot of senseless violence caused by drunken idiots around town centres of the country that wastes a lot of time and money for the NHS!

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theres also lots of acts of violence caused by sober people but how do we tax that ?

another problem that wastes services is smackheads etc dialing 999 for an ambulance because they live near the hospital and when they get to the hospital they jump out and go home and the ambulance crew are powerless to stop them.Again how can you tax that.

if the government really gave a damn about draining resources of the NHS they would start at the administrative level and stop blaming the people who use teh service.Yes there are drunks who through stupidity get themselves in need of medical treatment but that i bet is a mere fraction of cost compared to the waste in purchasing departments, administrators wages and paying double wages for agencey staff because they have made been a full time nurse so unappealing through long hours and low pay people arnt attracted to the job as they once were.

This is merely an exercise in providing an excuse to tax the hell out of something just like they do with fuel claiming they are preventing global warming.My arse they are ;)

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There is much less waste in the NHS now than there was, although I still think that it is top heavy with management....as far as your point about agency nurses....I think that might just be wide of the mark. When I left the NHS some years ago we called on our own NHS registered bank nurses....and as a Senior Ward Sister/manager I avoided using Bank nurses at all costs...preferring to call in my own staff to work to cover deficiencies(offering them time off in lieu)...... most of my staff were very helpful in this way....and they knew that if they were in need of a day off and I could give it then I would do. We reciprocated in order to provide safe cover.

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I can cross the border into Holland go to the Supermarket or Chemists (specifically sited there for German buyers) & pick up a box of 100, yes 100, Paracetamol 500mg with or without Caffeine for €1,50 about GBP 1.25.

As to the National service I agree totally, the "Wehrdienst" was abolished on the 01/07/11 but prior to that all youngsters after their schooling & if they didn't go into further education or apprenticeship had to serve either as "Wehrdienst" Military or "Zivildienst" working in Hospitals, old peoples homes & suchlike. Although it isn't perfect at least they got another perspective on life which may well have changed some attitudes & perceptions of these young adults.

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Long shifts come with the territory, as do unsocial hours......this never put women off training in the past.....but I think that many nurses train and then find that there just might not be a job at the end of it.......I know that this is the case in midwifery.....and I am sure Lettie will confirm this.

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And we aren't really talking about demonising drinkers here, we are talking about a minimum price for units of alcohol as a deterrent to binge drinking......this isn't the chap who goes out on a Friday night and has a couple of pints to start his weekend......but it will affect him. It doesn't target the ones who need to be reined in....it targets those who drink sensibly, responsibly.
So it is another taste of same old, same old...penalise the many for the faults of the few young daft folk who want to get off their faces.

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Spot on kestrelx something we can agree on

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Its a know fact that only 70p in every pound is used wisely in the NHS, 30% waste is a hell of a lot of money down the drain, as you say management is top heavy, there are more chiefs than indians and all the chiefs have nice cars to go with the job

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I wonder if anybody can remember who put forward the bill in parliament to cut the amount of paracetamol contained in a package;)

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I doubt whether it was debated or needed an Act of Parliament.

Such things are done (by statute) on the advice of the (unelected) Chief Medical Officer.

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There was a bill introduced in Parliament by the Hon Member for Hyndburn Mr Greg Pope, (private members bill) which eventually came to legislation and the new rules were introduced, to govern the sale of paracetamol

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I remember when I started drinking I used to honk up regularly after a few pints - haven't done that for a few decades!

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I work with young people and I think this is a very good idea (I also think the reintroduction of national service would be fantastic) from my experience putting up the price of alcohol by fifty or sixty pence will have no effect whatsoever on cutting down alcohol consumption in young people, although it will increase pub prices and will probably lead to further demises in local pubs.

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As has been said earlier this is just another excuse to raise tax income for the Government.. alcohol consumption has been falling in the UK since 2004 to 2010....mind you more of the population may have resorted to drink since the last election :D
BBC News - Alcohol consumption 'continues to fall'

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alcohol consumption has been falling because pubs cant afford to run these days because of greedy governments and greedy breweries.Also thanx to stupid EU rules ie: smoking ban folk stay at home even the non smokers.

Now that peopel are staying at home and drinking cheaper supermarket beer the government isnt getting as much tax as it once did so is now targeting home drinkers with pathetic excuses and probably made up figures

its exactly teh same as what they did with diesil fuel.People got more miles from a much cheaper fuel and government lost loads of tax so they boosted up the cost of diesil to almost if not double its original price and now they get all the drivers and are laughing all the way to the bank

drink driving is a bad thing but drink and driving is the biggest money maker government has because it has pi$$ed away any other assets the country had so now the only way to make money is to tax the hell out of the public

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Whenever I buy Paracetomol at my automated tills in the local Sainsbury's as when I buy alcohol it tells me I must get age approval and an assistant comes over to check if I am over 16 (or is it 18)! Suicide by Paracetomol can lead to killing the liver and not suicide - which is what often happens people end up alive with no liver!

I recall when first started drinking in teens used to knock back that really strong beer in a small bottle in order to get drunk rapidly called Barley Wine also Special Brew! Which is what kids do these days they knock back very strong alcohol quickly in order to get smashed - quickly which ends up with them rolling around in the park and then causing trouble etc.

However anyone remember your first drink of beer - it tasted like crap - same as smoking - you had to condition yourself to like it!

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Some people seem to be thinking that the proposed change is an additional 40p on every unit sold, this is not the case.

What is being proposed is a minimum price of 40p per unit.


This means the following minimum prices:

Double Whiskey/Vodka/Brandy: £0.80

Pint of Ale/Beer/Standard Lager (E.g. Carlsberg at 3.8%): £0.88

Pint of Premium Lager/Strong Ale (E.g. Carlsberg Export at 5%): £1.12

Pint of Super Strength Lager (E.g. Carlsberg Special Brew): £2.06


The bill would not effect pubs or clubs, there is nowhere that sells booze that cheap.

What it would effect is the supermarket 3 packs of beer/cider for £20 deals and sales of Special Brew and the like.

It would also put a minimum price of £11.20 on an average sized 70cl bottle of spirit but again I'd wager even the cheap end of the spirit market are around that price already.

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I am sorry to contradict you on this one, but I have to tell you that you cannot live without your liver....kidneys yes...as long as you have some sort of dialysis(peritoneal ambulatory, or renal)but if your liver fails, then unless you get a transplant pronto, it is curtains....the ones at the Crem, for you.

Now if you have read of some great breakthrough where a liver is not required, or if you know of someone who is surviving without a liver, please tell me, I would be very interested to read that information.

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It certainly is the case in both Nursing and Midwifery. Many students are now coming out of their training with no job vacancies to apply for. All departments use the Staff Banks to cover shortages in Nursing and Midwifery Staff. Staff Bank pays the normal rate for a nurse and actually, often pays a lower grade than what the Nurses are already on. Agency is used to cover Medical Staff and it is incredibly expensive...:)

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Thank you for that confirmation Lettie.......now, do you know any patients who are surviving without their liver?

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Live without your liver:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Don't give up yer day job.:D;)

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Think its one of the downs of substance abuse cashy thinking you can exist without a liver;)

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Well they have a liver but it's been damaged by the paracetomol, this can be irreversible I think depending on the amount etc -that is what I meant :D

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on here you have to put what you mean first time or you get your elbow handed to you on a plate :D

opps i meant arse...

damn it :(

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The Demon Drink
Stumped 2000

I clambered up the stairs to bed,
My head a swirling mess,
The Demon Drink had had his way,
For I was drunk, no less,
I struggled to the bathroom so,
To empty forth my gut,
And glancing in the mirror saw,
A visage to rebut.

I stumbled ‘gainst the balustrade,
My limbs no longer mine,
And fought to shed my clothing,
Feeling anything but fine,
The Demon Drink had snared me,
In his alcoholic trap,
And like the fool he proved I was,
I’d hastened to the tap.

I fumbled for my night attire,
And donned it with a sigh,
The Demon Drink inside my head,
Had rent me fit to die,
The room spun all around me,
The nightlight pierced my brain,
No matter where I laid my head,
I failed to stem the pain.

I turned towards my bedside lamp,
And saw him standing there,
A cheeky chappie, inches high
With multicoloured hair,
The Demon Drink, he grinned at me,
I rubbed my eyes, confused,
And must have looked a pretty sight,
All drunken and bemused.

I rolled o’er on my stomach,
And hailed him with a groan,
He wagged a finger at me,
Which implied ‘You’re on your own !’
The Demon Drink took umbrage,
When I tried to grab his tail,
By pounding on my fragile head,
Like hammering a nail.

I ceded to his rancour,
And fell into a trance,
The Demon Drink had found me,
Most amenable to chance,
When I awoke next morning,
I swore: ‘No more would I . . .
Imbibe The Devil’s nectar
Else he look me in the eye !’

End

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Th only way to repair a liver is by transplanting another one;)

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The only cure for liver damage is a transplant....and I wasn't being fly........even though I gave up the medical profession some years ago,but I do still like to keep up with new trends, and thought that perhaps you had read of some revolutionary new drug or treatment for liver failure.

I think that most of the cases of paracetamol poisoning that I ever heard of proved fatal, maybe not right away.....but pretty soon after.....and some of these, despite aggressive management to reverse the effects of the intake.

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Great minds John!

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I once saw a program on TV about St James hospital Leeds, which is one of the main centres for liver transplants and they said that you can't reverse a paracetamol overdose and its a very painful and drawn out death if a transplant is not undertaken

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Yes John, a young girl I looked after had to go there, but she didn't survive long enough to get a new liver.

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I was told a liver transplant was not possible by a surgeon in spain,:confused:Would that be dependant on what the ailment is?:confused:

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It could have been that the surgeon wasn't capable of performing a transplant cashy

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Anyone ever eaten raw liver? Pigs liver not humans! Tastes very nice and good for your bones!

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Ya its lovely served with Fava Beans and washed down with a glass of chianti.:D