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Acrylic-bob 05-01-2012 15:23

Hypocricy, Bluster and Spherical objects
 
Well you've got to laugh, haven't you. It's either that or advancing en masse on the House of Commons brandishing pitchforks and blazing torches.

On December 29th 2011, our worthy and much respected MP managed to find time from his busy schedule to make the following post in the thread concerning Willow Mount WMC.

"I am proud to have voted to defend workers rights and environmental legislation (which is what this was all about if you followed it closely). It is always disappointing when working people cross over to the dark side, persuaded to support the arguments of the Daily Mail / Tories / Fat Cats but that is something you have to live with."

He was writing after weeks of silence following the extensive criticism of his decision to vote with his party and the Government in denying his constituents a referendum over europe.

You will note especially the first sentence of the quotation; the bit about the defence of worker's rights. All very Labour, cloth caps and whippets that, could have come straight out of the mouth of Marx himself.

Then, Lancashire Evening Telegraph, ran a story on our MP's call for the preservation of his favourite breed of ratter, commenting that the breed had strong associations with the Royal Family in the persons of King George V and the Princess Margaret, among others.

Those with keen eyes and an enquiring mind would naturally be curious to see what LET's readers had to say on the subject and so would read the comments beneath the online article. On doing so they would have found a reference to an online blog...

Da Steeps Speaks: Slave labour required

which, at some length details just how respectful of worker's rights Graham Jones MP actually is.

A fair day's work for a fair day's pay?

Not if you work for Graham Jones, the champion of worker's rights, it seems.


Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive

Margaret Pilkington 05-01-2012 15:29

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The word hypocrite springs to mind.......but then it is our fault( or so he says) we don't allow the MP's enough money for expenses.
Pull the other one Mr Jones....it plays Hey Big Spender.

Acrylic-bob 05-01-2012 15:31

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And then, of course, having gotten himself into a hole, like all politicians, Graham cannot help but keep on digging...

Graham Jones MP: Parliamentary Interns. Right wing bloggers ask me to break the law?

Boeing Guy 05-01-2012 15:33

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I have had my say on our illustrious MP, so i wil not add to it.
Mainly because last time I received quite a bit of negative karma and some choice words from his blind followers.
He's more of a capitalist than I am, at least I would pay someone for working for me.

Boeing Guy 05-01-2012 15:41

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Can any of our left wing Graham lovers please explain how he can earn £65,536.00 per year plus expenses?
The average salary in Hyndburn is £22,292.40 per year plus NO expenses.

He earns almost 3 times as much as the very people he claims to represent....
Back to the trough again.....(no doubt I will get more hate Karma)

Acrylic-bob 05-01-2012 15:44

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I note also that Graham is sorely in need of an editor for his blog, since he obviously does not recognise the difference between there and their, and to and too. Common failings perhaps, but not the sort you would expect in the public writings of a Member of Parliament.

Shabby explanation of shabby dealings expressed shabbily. For £65,536 per year plus pension and expenses I, and many of your constituents, expect a good deal better of you, Graham.

odders 05-01-2012 16:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 960381)
The average salary in Hyndburn is £22,292.40 per year plus NO expenses.


I would of said the average was more like £14,000, as you rarely see a job advertised for more than minimum wage.

Which is then four and a half times his salary.

:hesoff:

Boeing Guy 05-01-2012 16:24

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I would have said that mate, but according to the official sources it is £22,292.40...
Nice to know he is worth it.

Boeing Guy 05-01-2012 16:28

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I see looking at Graham's Bog, that he was in Jerusulam a few weeks ago, on parliamentary business of course....

Margaret Pilkington 05-01-2012 16:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 960382)
I note also that Graham is sorely in need of an editor for his blog, since he obviously does not recognise the difference between there and their, and to and too. Common failings perhaps, but not the sort you would expect in the public writings of a Member of Parliament.

Shabby explanation of shabby dealings expressed shabbily. For £65,536 per year plus pension and expenses I, and many of your constituents, expect a good deal better of you, Graham.

I noted those glaring errors too, but refrained from mentioning them......just in case they were typos.

Acrylic-bob 05-01-2012 16:54

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While we are talking about MP's remuneration and GJ crying poverty, have a look at this...

Hungry for Taxes: MPs Lunch Subsidy Now £8,823 Per Annum - Guy Fawkes' blog

garinda 05-01-2012 17:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 958841)
It is always disappointing when working people cross over to the dark side, persuaded to support the arguments of the Daily Mail / Tories / Fat Cats but that is something you have to live with.

Who does he mean?

I'd hazard a guess, that applies to 95% of Accy Web members, who are now opposed to Graham Jones.

Forget the guff about the Daily Mail, if that gives him comfort, if the 'dark side' means no longer being able to support someone guilty of gross hypocrisy, and who puts his party's own political agenda, over the rights of his constituents, count me..

in!

Boeing Guy 05-01-2012 17:33

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Me too
In!

Margaret Pilkington 05-01-2012 17:35

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And me!

Margaret Pilkington 05-01-2012 17:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 960392)
I see looking at Graham's Bog, that he was in Jerusulam a few weeks ago, on parliamentary business of course....

I suppose Jerusalem beats Burnley hands down!

garinda 05-01-2012 17:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 960382)
I note also that Graham is sorely in need of an editor for his blog, since he obviously does not recognise the difference between there and their, and to and too. Common failings perhaps, but not the sort you would expect in the public writings of a Member of Parliament.

Shabby explanation of shabby dealings expressed shabbily. For £65,536 per year plus pension and expenses I, and many of your constituents, expect a good deal better of you, Graham.

Perhaps he'll get an intern who can actually write.

:rolleyes:

jaysay 05-01-2012 17:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 960381)
Can any of our left wing Graham lovers please explain how he can earn £65,536.00 per year plus expenses?
The average salary in Hyndburn is £22,292.40 per year plus NO expenses.

He earns almost 3 times as much as the very people he claims to represent....
Back to the trough again.....(no doubt I will get more hate Karma)

Err does he still claim his exes from LCC or does he now keep to his promise of not claiming them , just wondered:confused:

Margaret Pilkington 05-01-2012 17:43

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He won't if he doesn't pay them.
I think it is despicable for Graham Jones to cite the rights of the working man/woman and then look for someone to work for nothing....even worse that he considers that it is to educate them.......I have never read such condescending kak in all my life.
It begs the question......just who does he think he is?

jaysay 05-01-2012 17:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 960382)
I note also that Graham is sorely in need of an editor for his blog, since he obviously does not recognise the difference between there and their, and to and too. Common failings perhaps, but not the sort you would expect in the public writings of a Member of Parliament.

Shabby explanation of shabby dealings expressed shabbily. For £65,536 per year plus pension and expenses I, and many of your constituents, expect a good deal better of you, Graham.

That's very strange that Bob because a few years ago, he once asked me whether I meant to, too, or two when I made one of my spelling slip ups on here, I seem to remember another member taking him to task about this and to be fair he did apologies, but its a funny old world ain't it;)

jaysay 05-01-2012 17:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 960392)
I see looking at Graham's Bog, that he was in Jerusulam a few weeks ago, on parliamentary business of course....

Wonder if he did a stint at the wailing wall:D

garinda 05-01-2012 17:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 960421)
He won't if he doesn't pay them.
I think it is despicable for Graham Jones to cite the rights of the working man/woman and then look for someone to work for nothing....even worse that he considers that it is to educate them.......I have never read such condescending kak in all my life.
It begs the question......just who does he think he is?

If anyone is in need of educating by him, then the education system's badly failed those who apply.

Even before exposing that his loyalties didn't lie with the people of Hyndburn, he never really twinkled, as being one of the more shiny buttons in the box.

Some of his recent posts on here have been pure gibberish.

garinda 05-01-2012 17:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 960426)
Wonder if he did a stint at the wailing wall:D

Still, it must have been a nice change.

His trip to the Holy Land at least it meant he wasn't bring crucified here in Hyndburn.

jaysay 05-01-2012 18:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 960428)
Still, it must have been a nice change.

His trip to the Holy Land at least it meant he wasn't bring crucified here in Hyndburn.

Na, but you could still see where the nails had been :rolleyes:

mobertol 05-01-2012 20:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 960428)
Still, it must have been a nice change.

His trip to the Holy Land at least it meant he wasn't bring crucified here in Hyndburn.

Bit of a milestone this post G, takes you to 30,000!

I have been counting;):D

Less 05-01-2012 21:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 960485)
Bit of a milestone this post G, takes you to 30,000!

I have been counting;):D

Then you had better count again, because his post count is waaaay above that, certain sections such as anything goes, (a section in which he is/was/can be, most prolific), aren't added to the figure that you see.

:)

Eric 05-01-2012 21:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 960485)
Bit of a milestone this post G, takes you to 30,000!

I have been counting;):D

Mmmmm .... 30,000 ... that's the distance in light years to galactic central core.:D

mobertol 05-01-2012 21:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 960494)
Mmmmm .... 30,000 ... that's the distance in light years to galactic central core.:D

You are a fair way off then Eric, and I'm even further out. What do you think happens when you get there? Do you burn out and become a black hole or maybe a Supenova, or perhaps just a brighter star in the firmament of Accyweb:hothothot:D

mobertol 05-01-2012 21:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 960491)
Then you had better count again, because his post count is waaaay above that, certain sections such as anything goes, (a section in which he is/was/can be, most prolific), aren't added to the figure that you see.

:)

Have run out of fingers Less!;):D

By the way, why don't those posts count? Are they considered to be too trivial.

garinda 05-01-2012 22:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 960485)
Bit of a milestone this post G, takes you to 30,000!

I have been counting;):D


Nothing to be proud of.

I'm actually speeding up.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...nda-51997.html

20,000 for the first five years, and now another 10,000 in two!

I blame politicans' expenses, community art, flash mobs, and the hypocrisy of our M.P.

This will be my last landmark.

I'll be back on my own planet, before I ever reach 40,000.

;)

garinda 05-01-2012 22:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 960508)
Nothing to be proud of.

I'm actually speeding up.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...nda-51997.html

20,000 for the first five years, and now another 10,000 in two!

I blame politicans' expenses, community art, flash mobs, and the hypocrisy of our M.P.

This will be my last landmark.

I'll be back on my own planet, before I ever reach 40,000.

;)

Oh, and I must pay thanks to the visiting half-wits, that pop on here from time to time.

Their help was invaluable.

:rolleyes:

mobertol 05-01-2012 22:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 960508)
Nothing to be proud of.

I'm actually speeding up.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...nda-51997.html

20,000 for the first five years, and now another 10,000 in two!

I blame politicans' expenses, community art, flash mobs, and the hypocrisy of our M.P.

This will be my last landmark.

I'll be back on my own planet, before I ever reach 40,000.

;)

My rudimentary Maths makes your posting exponential - soon be travelling at the speed of light, then the skies no longer the limit and outer space and inter-galactic travel a reality as suggested by Eric.

Do let us know what G-space is like when you get there:D

garinda 05-01-2012 22:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 960521)
My rudimentary Maths makes your posting exponential - soon be travelling at the speed of light, then the skies no longer the limit and outer space and inter-galactic travel a reality as suggested by Eric.

Do let us know what G-space is like when you get there:D

I don't think I post all that much.

There are times, months sometimes, when I don't post at all.

I think it's just when I get the bit between my teeth, and feel passionately about something, I turn into a fiend, and can easily rattle off dozens of guff posts an hour.

:rolleyes:

mobertol 05-01-2012 22:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 960525)
I don't think I post all that much.

There are times, months sometimes, when I don't post at all.

I think it's just when I get the bit between my teeth, and feel passionately about something, I turn into a fiend, and can easily rattle off dozens of guff posts an hour.

:rolleyes:

You haven't started a thread for a while -that's true. Time for one I think - and i would love more trivia lessons when you have the time and inclination.

You do have your moments when you get a bee in your bonnet - but I always cheer Compagno Garinda on when he's on one of his crusades.
Keep posting G, it's always a breathe of fresh air when you do;):D

garinda 05-01-2012 23:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 960531)
You haven't started a thread for a while -that's true. Time for one I think - and i would love more trivia lessons when you have the time and inclination.

You do have your moments when you get a bee in your bonnet - but I always cheer Compagno Garinda on when he's on one of his crusades.
Keep posting G, it's always a breathe of fresh air when you do;):D

Don't worry.

I'm just pacing myself.

Ready for the next General Election.

You ain't seen nothing yet.

;):D

jaysay 06-01-2012 08:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 960508)
Nothing to be proud of.

I'm actually speeding up.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...nda-51997.html

20,000 for the first five years, and now another 10,000 in two!

I blame politicans' expenses, community art, flash mobs, and the hypocrisy of our M.P.

This will be my last landmark.

I'll be back on my own planet, before I ever reach 40,000.

;)

When my account was reactivated after a year absence back in 2008 my post count was something like 168 or 188 I for get, in my 12 months clicking my heels on other web sites I got the hang of things and got right into the spirit of things on my return, think it must have been absence made the heart grow fonder:D

jaysay 06-01-2012 08:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 960532)
Don't worry.

I'm just pacing myself.

Ready for the next General Election.

You ain't seen nothing yet.

;):D

Hope I'm still around for that little episode:eek::eek::D

g jones 08-01-2012 23:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 960374)
Well you've got to laugh, haven't you. It's either that or advancing en masse on the House of Commons brandishing pitchforks and blazing torches.

On December 29th 2011, our worthy and much respected MP managed to find time from his busy schedule to make the following post in the thread concerning Willow Mount WMC.

"I am proud to have voted to defend workers rights and environmental legislation (which is what this was all about if you followed it closely). It is always disappointing when working people cross over to the dark side, persuaded to support the arguments of the Daily Mail / Tories / Fat Cats but that is something you have to live with."

He was writing after weeks of silence following the extensive criticism of his decision to vote with his party and the Government in denying his constituents a referendum over europe.

You will note especially the first sentence of the quotation; the bit about the defence of worker's rights. All very Labour, cloth caps and whippets that, could have come straight out of the mouth of Marx himself.

Then, Lancashire Evening Telegraph, ran a story on our MP's call for the preservation of his favourite breed of ratter, commenting that the breed had strong associations with the Royal Family in the persons of King George V and the Princess Margaret, among others.

Those with keen eyes and an enquiring mind would naturally be curious to see what LET's readers had to say on the subject and so would read the comments beneath the online article. On doing so they would have found a reference to an online blog...

Da Steeps Speaks: Slave labour required

which, at some length details just how respectful of worker's rights Graham Jones MP actually is.

A fair day's work for a fair day's pay?

Not if you work for Graham Jones, the champion of worker's rights, it seems.


Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive


More one eyed drivel Bob. We've rarely agreed. Guido Fawkes wants an extreme (Conservative) right wing government. The facts are not what he is about.

Acrylic-bob 10-01-2012 15:20

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'One eyed drivel' or not, and coming from the master of drivel and the high priest of the non-sequitur himself, I will look on that as something of a compliment; backhanded though it may be.

You are quite right in your assertion that we have rarely agreed, though I am tempted to speculate that the fault lies more with you and your choice of politics than with me and my choice of none at all. But we need not be judgemental about this.

What Guido Fawkes (Paul Staines) either wants or does not want is a matter between himself and his conscience, and is of no interest to me. Though knowing Paul, as I do, I am sure that whatever he wrote is likely to be decidedly uncomplimentary and, sadly, invariably true, to a degree.

I really don't want to get into slanging match over the degree of truth, I have never found the splitting of hairs to be an acceptable pastime for an adult and to be frank I really can think of better ways of spending what little time remains to me.

So, there is a simple way to settle the matter once and for all and that is by answering as honestly as you can, and in no more than your own words, the following question. It is quite a simple question and all that is required as an answer is two numbers.

I choose, still, to pay you the compliment of regarding you as an honest man, despite past disappointments and your bizarre political allegiances. I will therefore make no attempt to verify the answer you give, but I will believe whatever you tell me, because I still believe you to be an honest man.

Question:
How many persons termed 'intern' have worked with you at Westminster since you became a Member of Parliament to the present day and, of those, how many of them have been paid, at minimum, the National Minimum Wage?

Note: By "worked" I mean time spent, no matter how long or how short, in matters or activities which contributed to, or advanced your work as a Member of Parliament.

I am indebted to About.com: Need. Know. Accomplish. for the following definition:

"An internship is a pre-professional experience that provides an opportunity to gain relevant knowledge and skills prior to starting out in a particular career field."


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