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davebtelford 05-01-2012 18:14

State Pension Gripe
 
Just started getting my pension - grateful for it - but why can't they pay it monthly instead of weekly, 4-weekly or 12 weekly? Most, if not all, other receipts to & payments from my bank account occur monthly (on fixed dates) but the default 4-weekly pension payment date will keep moving around so I can't count on it to cover a direct debit at a particular date & I will have to be continually checking what my balance is.

I find it really antiquated & pretty annoying :mad:

jaysay 05-01-2012 18:22

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Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 960435)
Just started getting my pension - grateful for it - but why can't they pay it monthly instead of weekly, 4-weekly or 12 weekly? Most, if not all, other receipts to & payments from my bank account occur monthly (on fixed dates) but the default 4-weekly pension payment date will keep moving around so I can't count on it to cover a direct debit at a particular date & I will have to be continually checking what my balance is.

I find it really antiquated & pretty annoying :mad:

A lot of people work from week to week, to be honest I don't actually know what your gripe is, ya might have somat to gripe about if they weren't paying you;)

Gordon Booth 05-01-2012 18:38

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Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 960435)
Just started getting my pension - grateful for it - but why can't they pay it monthly instead of weekly, 4-weekly or 12 weekly? Most, if not all, other receipts to & payments from my bank account occur monthly (on fixed dates) but the default 4-weekly pension payment date will keep moving around so I can't count on it to cover a direct debit at a particular date & I will have to be continually checking what my balance is.

I find it really antiquated & pretty annoying :mad:

It's based on a weekly pension- a calendar month isn't four weeks so your pension would vary every month and you'd never know whether it was right or not.

Also you'd only get 12 monthly payments, now you get 13! The 13th is a bonus(??).

susie123 05-01-2012 18:43

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 960439)
A lot of people work from week to week, to be honest I don't actually know what your gripe is, ya might have somat to gripe about if they weren't paying you;)

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 960452)
It's based on a weekly pension- a calendar month isn't four weeks so your pension would vary every month and you'd never know whether it was right or not.

Also you'd only get 12 monthly payments, now you get 13! The 13th is a bonus(??).

Spot on both of you. Also monthly would probably be more expensive to administer as there would have to be a different calculation each month.

jaysay 05-01-2012 18:44

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 960452)
It's based on a weekly pension- a calendar month isn't four weeks so your pension would vary every month and you'd never know whether it was right or not.

Also you'd only get 12 monthly payments, now you get 13! The 13th is a bonus(??).

DLA is paid 4 weekly Gordon, not callendar monthly, the payment date varies so you do actually get 13 payments per year

Gordon Booth 05-01-2012 18:47

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 960455)
DLA is paid 4 weekly Gordon, not callendar monthly, the payment date varies so you do actually get 13 payments per year

So you get an extra one free as well!

jaysay 05-01-2012 18:53

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 960458)
So you get an extra one free as well!

Ya DLA is paid that way Gordon, always has been, well since I've been on it that is, I suppose its easier really, as you said earlier there would be more different payments if it was paid calendar monthly, the Backs system is just programed to pay out every 4 weeks usually on a Tuesday

Benipete 05-01-2012 18:57

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Open a second account and transfer a set amount every month to cover your standing orders.Simples.

garinda 05-01-2012 23:11

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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 960464)
Open a second account and transfer a set amount every month to cover your standing orders.Simples.

Just about to suggest the same thing.

Have your pension paid into one account, and transfer whatever's in there, on whatever date you want it paid into another account.

As others have pointed out, state pensions are paid so much per week.

Unlike a salary, which is just divided by twelve, and means you get the same amount, regardless if it's a 28 day, or a 31 day month.

davebtelford 06-01-2012 07:27

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To my way of thinking the weekly payment is an historical relic from when every pensioner trundled off down to to the post office on Thursday morning to queue up and collect their allotment. Life ain't like that now for most of us - we have been used to getting wages/salaries paid monthly & most bills also get paid monthly by direct debit. It wouldn't be difficult to calculate what the weekly pension equals per month and pay it in 12 instalments instead of 13. S'only arithmetic!

jaysay 06-01-2012 08:41

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Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 960552)
To my way of thinking the weekly payment is an historical relic from when every pensioner trundled off down to to the post office on Thursday morning to queue up and collect their allotment. Life ain't like that now for most of us - we have been used to getting wages/salaries paid monthly & most bills also get paid monthly by direct debit. It wouldn't be difficult to calculate what the weekly pension equals per month and pay it in 12 instalments instead of 13. S'only arithmetic!

What the hell difference does it make whether you get paid 52 or 13 payments a year, your still getting your money, there are always some people who moan at the least thing, god help you if you ever have a real major crisis in your life.

garinda 06-01-2012 09:15

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Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 960552)
To my way of thinking the weekly payment is an historical relic from when every pensioner trundled off down to to the post office on Thursday morning to queue up and collect their allotment. Life ain't like that now for most of us - we have been used to getting wages/salaries paid monthly & most bills also get paid monthly by direct debit. It wouldn't be difficult to calculate what the weekly pension equals per month and pay it in 12 instalments instead of 13. S'only arithmetic!

If it's such a big problem, have it paid into an account, and don't touch it for a year.

The following year, divide it by twelve, and 'pay' yourself a monthly salary.

;)

Benipete 06-01-2012 13:57

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Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 960552)
To my way of thinking the weekly payment is an historical relic from when every pensioner trundled off down to to the post office on Thursday morning to queue up and collect their allotment. Life ain't like that now for most of us - we have been used to getting wages/salaries paid monthly & most bills also get paid monthly by direct debit. It wouldn't be difficult to calculate what the weekly pension equals per month and pay it in 12 instalments instead of 13. S'only arithmetic!

Write down the day you were last paid.

Add 28 - Subtract the number of days in that month.

That should be the date you get paid next month.S'only arithmetic :rolleyes::D:D.

Barrie Yates 06-01-2012 14:14

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I think it is paid 4 weekly if you choose to have it paid into a bank. Mine is always paid on a Friday every 4 weeks - just mark a calender so that you can always know when it is paid in.

Michael1954 06-01-2012 21:17

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates (Post 960614)
I think it is paid 4 weekly if you choose to have it paid into a bank. Mine is always paid on a Friday every 4 weeks - just mark a calender so that you can always know when it is paid in.

That's what my mother has done for years. She just marks the dates off in her diary counting every 4 weeks. I can't understand why being paid every 4 weeks is being made out to be such a problem.

jaysay 07-01-2012 09:03

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Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 960758)
That's what my mother has done for years. She just marks the dates off in her diary counting every 4 weeks. I can't understand why being paid every 4 weeks is being made out to be such a problem.

Its only a problem Michael if people make it a problem themselves, others just get on with it;)

davebtelford 07-01-2012 14:00

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 960836)
Its only a problem Michael if people make it a problem themselves, others just get on with it;)

All I'm saying is that there are better ways which would be more convenient for many people. I would do away with 4-weekly & 12-weekly payments and just have weekly and monthly options.

jaysay 07-01-2012 14:07

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Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 960894)
All I'm saying is that there are better ways which would be more convenient for many people. I would do away with 4-weekly & 12-weekly payments and just have weekly and monthly options.

Only ever heard you moaning about it:idunno:everybody else seems to manage okay;)

Retlaw 07-01-2012 14:43

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Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 960435)
Just started getting my pension - grateful for it - but why can't they pay it monthly instead of weekly, 4-weekly or 12 weekly? Most, if not all, other receipts to & payments from my bank account occur monthly (on fixed dates) but the default 4-weekly pension payment date will keep moving around so I can't count on it to cover a direct debit at a particular date & I will have to be continually checking what my balance is.

I find it really antiquated & pretty annoying :mad:

Its paid weekly because some people can't manage their finances properly, paying by the 12 monthly payments 4.34 weeks per month, would be a big temptation to overspend, and be broke before their next monthly payment.
Think of a better system, that covers all possibilities, and sell it to the goverment.
Retlaw

Margaret Pilkington 07-01-2012 14:49

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4 weekly is fine by me......it is much easier to know you have been paid the correct amount when it is done 4 weekly.......13 equal amounts.
I am sure you will learn to live with it, and find solutions to your problems with the direct debits....you have been given a few solutions that are workable already.

davebtelford 07-01-2012 15:58

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 960904)
4 weekly is fine by me......it is much easier to know you have been paid the correct amount when it is done 4 weekly.......13 equal amounts.
I am sure you will learn to live with it, and find solutions to your problems with the direct debits....you have been given a few solutions that are workable already.


Obviously I will cope but if you look at some of the 'solutions' posted here - marking calendars, counting days, not touching your pension for a year, a feeder account to another bank a/c then it seems to me that there IS A PROBLEM which people are having to deal with individually when it could all be sorted centrally at a stroke. I wonder how people whose mental capacities are on the decline go on?

MargaretR 07-01-2012 16:01

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Dont be discouraged by the opposition - I too find it 'inconvenient'.

The only saving grace is the delight in the month you get two:D

jaysay 07-01-2012 17:08

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Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 960924)
Obviously I will cope but if you look at some of the 'solutions' posted here - marking calendars, counting days, not touching your pension for a year, a feeder account to another bank a/c then it seems to me that there IS A PROBLEM which people are having to deal with individually when it could all be sorted centrally at a stroke. I wonder how people whose mental capacities are on the decline go on?

No it isn't a problem, its only you and Margaret (surprise surprise) that have a problem, the rest of us just get on with it, it would be a problem if you didn't get it;)

Margaret Pilkington 07-01-2012 17:18

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Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 960924)
Obviously I will cope but if you look at some of the 'solutions' posted here - marking calendars, counting days, not touching your pension for a year, a feeder account to another bank a/c then it seems to me that there IS A PROBLEM which people are having to deal with individually when it could all be sorted centrally at a stroke. I wonder how people whose mental capacities are on the decline go on?

I'm pretty sure that if you went to see the financial advisor at your bank they would come up with an equitable solution.
It seems that you are in a minority of people who see the 4 weekly payment as a problem. If more people found it to be a problem then I am sure someone would have done something about it before now.
I am just thankful to be getting a pension.

annesingleton 07-01-2012 17:43

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I wish I was so lucky! I have missed out on receiving the state pension at age 60 by six weeks, having been born in May 1955 - anyone who was born after April 1955 has to work to age 66. I can't afford to retire at age 60 now on my local government pension alone so I really really wish I could be moaning about it being paid to me every four weeks!
Can you tell I feel extremely bitter having worked since the age of fifteen and don't relish doing what I do until I'm 66 years old- I've never in all that time been out of work and claimed benefits.

cashman 07-01-2012 17:47

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Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 960947)
I wish I was so lucky! I have missed out on receiving the state pension at age 60 by six weeks, having been born in May 1955 - anyone who was born after April 1955 has to work to age 66. I can't afford to retire at age 60 now on my local government pension alone so I really really wish I could be moaning about it being paid to me every four weeks!
Can you tell I feel extremely bitter having worked since the age of fifteen and don't relish doing what I do until I'm 66 years old- I've never in all that time been out of work and claimed benefits.

Now thats what i call a proper gripe.;)

Margaret Pilkington 07-01-2012 17:55

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Me too!

annesingleton 07-01-2012 17:58

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 960950)
Now thats what i call a proper gripe.;)

Thank you Cashman I try not to think about it too much or it would make me very very bitter especially when the people I work with tend to be long term unemployed by their own choice, I'd better shut up on this one quickly or I'll be off on a rant!

Neil 07-01-2012 18:12

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Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 960894)
All I'm saying is that there are better ways which would be more convenient for many people. I would do away with 4-weekly & 12-weekly payments and just have weekly and monthly options.

I agree with you. You are paid monthly while you work then the stupid government make it hard work when you retire. All my bills are paid on the 8th of every month because I get paid on the 6th. Time they did a simple calculation and paid it monthly. No it would not vary each week at all. Just decide what the pension each per year not per week and divide by 12.

Michael1954 07-01-2012 20:11

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 960958)
I agree with you. You are paid monthly while you work then the stupid government make it hard work when you retire. All my bills are paid on the 8th of every month because I get paid on the 6th. Time they did a simple calculation and paid it monthly. No it would not vary each week at all. Just decide what the pension each per year not per week and divide by 12.

Millions of people in this country are paid a weekly wage but manage to organise payment of their monthly bills.

Margaret Pilkington 07-01-2012 20:51

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When I was working I was paid monthly....but now I get my pension every four weeks.
You have to budget and be careful with your finances. You adapt.

cashman 07-01-2012 21:05

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 960958)
I agree with you. You are paid monthly while you work then the stupid government make it hard work when you retire. All my bills are paid on the 8th of every month because I get paid on the 6th. Time they did a simple calculation and paid it monthly. No it would not vary each week at all. Just decide what the pension each per year not per week and divide by 12.

Well thats no suprise to me.:D

davebtelford 07-01-2012 21:20

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Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 960963)
Millions of people in this country are paid a weekly wage but manage to organise payment of their monthly bills.

I think you might find that monthly pay is now more common than weekly.

jaysay 08-01-2012 10:06

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Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 960963)
Millions of people in this country are paid a weekly wage but manage to organise payment of their monthly bills.

Exactly

davebtelford 08-01-2012 17:01

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Let's have a poll - how many people here are paid weekly & how many are paid monthly ?

susie123 08-01-2012 17:26

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Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 961106)
Let's have a poll - how many people here are paid weekly & how many are paid monthly ?

Do you mean work or pension?

This thread is getting tedious. I get a pension payment every four weeks and I'm bloody grateful for it. End of.

davebtelford 08-01-2012 17:46

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If it's tedious to you stop looking at it! You can't get your state pension paid monthly so the poll is for wages or company pension.

Margaret Pilkington 08-01-2012 17:52

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If you are so wound up about it why don't you do something about it.
Contact your MP. Get a group of like minded people to do the same.
Write to the DWP......get a group of like minded people to do the same......that is, if you can find any.
Like Susie 123 says I feel darned lucky to be getting a pension...and I think I can find other things that need fixing in the country before wasting energy on something as pointless as this.
Last post. End of.

davebtelford 08-01-2012 17:59

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 961129)
If you are so wound up about it why don't you do something about it.
Contact your MP. Get a group of like minded people to do the same.
Write to the DWP......get a group of like minded people to do the same......that is, if you can find any.
Like Susie 123 says I feel darned lucky to be getting a pension...and I think I can find other things that need fixing in the country before wasting energy on something as pointless as this.
Last post. End of.

I'm not wound up about it - just think it's silly. Posting on here doesn't waste any of my energy. I did write to the DWP about it. Not minded to take to take to the streets!

wallop79 08-01-2012 18:11

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Your obviously short of somet to do now your retired if you've to resort to moaning about something so trivial. Be thankful your receiving your damn pension, by the time the government finishes messing I'll be lucky to claim mine, either I'll be dead having to work til I'm 70+ or there will no longer be such a thing as a state pension. Get a hobby & occupy your mind with something worthwhile.

davebtelford 08-01-2012 18:17

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I have hobbies - my mind is too big to occupy fully 24/7. So I must nitpick:D

Michael1954 08-01-2012 19:19

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I am not going to fall out about this. Because I look after my mum, I now work part-time at a Post Office depot and I am paid monthly. However the majority of people at the depot where I work (over 70 of them ) are paid weekly. Dave, I am sorry that the payment of your pension every 4 weeks causes you problems, and I hope you manage to resolve this. All I can say is that mum managed to sort out her finances until her stroke 3 years ago, when I took over looking after her pension payments and direct debits. I maintain a record of her current account balance, ensuring there is enough to cover payments. What is left over I transfer into her savings account. She managed all this up to the age of 80 (she is now 83).

ToffeeGuy 08-01-2012 19:24

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Paid? Hourly. Those Big Issues are difficult to shift outside Wilkos.

susie123 08-01-2012 19:32

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Originally Posted by davebtelford (Post 961150)
I have hobbies - my mind is too big to occupy fully 24/7. So I must nitpick:D

And nitpicking is one of your hobbies??

jaysay 09-01-2012 09:04

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Originally Posted by dave telford (Post 961135)
I'm not wound up about it - just think it's silly. Posting on here doesn't waste any of my energy. I did write to the DWP about it. Not minded to take to take to the streets!

:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:Give me strength, I wait with baited breath for when you get really hacked of, that should be some debate:D

susie123 09-01-2012 09:51

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 961129)
If you are so wound up about it why don't you do something about it.
Contact your MP. Get a group of like minded people to do the same.
Write to the DWP......get a group of like minded people to do the same......that is, if you can find any.
Like Susie 123 says I feel darned lucky to be getting a pension...and I think I can find other things that need fixing in the country before wasting energy on something as pointless as this.
Last post. End of.

Thanks for the K Margaret. Shan't waste any more time on this.

jaysay 09-01-2012 10:05

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Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 961303)
Thanks for the K Margaret. Shan't waste any more time on this.

Ya think its run its course susie,

Benipete 09-01-2012 10:26

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 961308)
Ya think its run its course susie,

No it will be back next month on the 2nd and twice in March.:p:D


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